More Serious About Coffee

[fredwiggy]

Not a new coffee drinker but never really got into the serious part of making it until recently. I've only drank coffee the last 9 years or so, deciding the health benefits far outweighed the negative, and had a  Keurig back when I lived in Texas, along with going to Starbucks, Dutch Brothers and a myriad of other coffee shops in Texas while I lived there. Just recently came back from Vietnam, finally trying their brands and thinking they're the best I've had so far. I brought back some fresh ground and had it today, but don't have a coffee maker yet so looking to purchase a Moka Pot soon. When I move back to Texas I'll get the whole arsenal of coffee making items but for now want to use the Moka as I hear it makes a good rich cup fast. I'd like to hear what others say about it. I've seen some comments from some serious drinkers here and it more strengthens my desire to get more involved in the coffee sciences.

[save the frogs]

more pressure = more flavor extracted

the fancy machines have high pressure

moka pot has some pressure and therefore makes a decent coffee

i love the SOUND of the brewing the moka pots make

but i stopped using them ... there is some kind of grime or whatever it is that builds up in the pot. I guess there's a way to clean it, but I was too lazy to figure it out. 

moka pots can be used at campfires 

 

[fredwiggy]

4 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

more pressure = more flavor extracted

the fancy machines have high pressure

moka pot has some pressure and therefore makes a decent coffee

i love the SOUND of the brewing the moka pots make

but i stopped using them ... there is some kind of grime or whatever it is that builds up in the pot. I guess there's a way to clean it, but I was too lazy to figure it out. 

moka pots can be used at campfires 

 

I heard they are okay but need to be cleaned asap and that's the maintenance they need. Just wanted to get a start making coffee and would get the fancier model when I move back home.

[save the frogs]

11 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

I heard they are okay but need to be cleaned asap and that's the maintenance they need. Just wanted to get a start making coffee and would get the fancier model when I move back home.

yeah, they need to be cleaned.

also, had a fancy machine and it broke down.

and don't like the Keurig because the capsules are bad for the environment.

so I just use the French Press for daily coffee. It's not that bad and minimal fuss.

And once in a while go to a coffee shop for better coffee and let them worry about maintenance and repairs on fancy coffee machines. 

[Yagoda]

If you want the maximalist lifestyle, use a siphon.

 

I use a Phin. They key on a Phin is the grind, so you may need to grind your own. But its the fastest good cup you will get.

https://nguyencoffeesupply.com/blogs/news/vietnamese-coffee-phin-filter-stainless-steel

 

Clean up is the easiest. I use an insulated mug to keep it how. 

 

Ive retired my French Press for a while.

[bkk6060]

Have tried various makers and find them basically the same.  Bought one at Tesco 299 b makes 3 cups works fine and travels easily.

As far as the capsules, how long has that ground coffee been in the capsule?

Whatever, it is not freshly ground which makes the best smelling and tasting brew.

[scorecard]

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

yeah, they need to be cleaned.

also, had a fancy machine and it broke down.

and don't like the Keurig because the capsules are bad for the environment.

so I just use the French Press for daily coffee. It's not that bad and minimal fuss.

And once in a while go to a coffee shop for better coffee and let them worry about maintenance and repairs on fancy coffee machines. 

 

I bought a small steam based machine, worked quite nicely but I forgot to check one point before purchase 'Does it shut off automatically when the cup is full?' And the answer is NO, I have to watch and manually stop the process when my cup is near full. 

[BangkokReady]

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

I use a Phin.

 

I was going to recommended ca phe phin also.  Very easy to use, you can get one that fits enough water for a full mug of coffee.  You can pretty much just rinse the thing under the tap once it's done, too.  Not expensive, either.

 

The coffee that comes from it tastes good, and if you like Vietnamese coffee (which you should), then it feels nice and authentic.  You can't be stingy with the grounds, though.

[fredwiggy]

19 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

I was going to recommended ca phe phin also.  Very easy to use, you can get one that fits enough water for a full mug of coffee.  You can pretty much just rinse the thing under the tap once it's done, too.  Not expensive, either.

 

The coffee that comes from it tastes good, and if you like Vietnamese coffee (which you should), then it feels nice and authentic.  You can't be stingy with the grounds, though.

The boy at Tony's Coffee in Hanoi ran after me when I left the store and handed me one of them for free.

[Cameroni]

3 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Not a new coffee drinker but never really got into the serious part of making it until recently. I've only drank coffee the last 9 years or so, deciding the health benefits far outweighed the negative, and had a  Keurig back when I lived in Texas, along with going to Starbucks, Dutch Brothers and a myriad of other coffee shops in Texas while I lived there. Just recently came back from Vietnam, finally trying their brands and thinking they're the best I've had so far. I brought back some fresh ground and had it today, but don't have a coffee maker yet so looking to purchase a Moka Pot soon. When I move back to Texas I'll get the whole arsenal of coffee making items but for now want to use the Moka as I hear it makes a good rich cup fast. I'd like to hear what others say about it. I've seen some comments from some serious drinkers here and it more strengthens my desire to get more involved in the coffee sciences.

 

Yes, absolutely right, Moka Pot is the way to go.

 

Get a good grinder, so you can do a good grind. Only buy beans so you grind fresh.

 

Best beans are from Sumatra, but some Ethiopian, Jamaican, Puerto Rican and Thai coffee is also good. In Thailand Cafe Ronn is the best.

[fredwiggy]

8 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Yes, absolutely right, Moka Pot is the way to go.

 

Get a good grinder, so you can do a good grind. Only buy beans so you grind fresh.

 

Best beans are from Sumatra, but some Ethiopian, Jamaican, Puerto Rican and Thai coffee is also good. In Thailand Cafe Ronn is the best.

Yep, need a grinder at the least so I can buy fresh beans and not just fresh ground sent to me. Thought about Sumatra for quite awhile, and Jamaican. The shops in Vietnam have beans from all over, including Kopi Luwak and Weasel. I really should have bought more, and a grinder, but didn't think of it until I returned.

[Photoguy21]

Here in Bangkok I go to ATWO outlet. They grind the coffee for you using beans in line with your taste i.e. mild, medium or strong flavour. Starbucks is not rerally coffee just cream and sugar. It tastes good I would agree but is no where near real coffee.

[Yagoda]

43 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

I was going to recommended ca phe phin also.  Very easy to use, you can get one that fits enough water for a full mug of coffee.  You can pretty much just rinse the thing under the tap once it's done, too.  Not expensive, either.

 

The coffee that comes from it tastes good, and if you like Vietnamese coffee (which you should), then it feels nice and authentic.  You can't be stingy with the grounds, though.

I have been using 80/20 Mondulkiri. The coffee dudes told me that Vietnamese use 100% robusta

[fredwiggy]

49 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

I was going to recommended ca phe phin also.  Very easy to use, you can get one that fits enough water for a full mug of coffee.  You can pretty much just rinse the thing under the tap once it's done, too.  Not expensive, either.

 

The coffee that comes from it tastes good, and if you like Vietnamese coffee (which you should), then it feels nice and authentic.  You can't be stingy with the grounds, though.

Just tried it first time, and made a good cup, iced, using Ca Phe Moc Rang Xay Nguyen Chat, with 55% Robusta, 10% Arabica, 30% Culi and 5% Bo.

[Cameroni]

25 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Yep, need a grinder at the least so I can buy fresh beans and not just fresh ground sent to me. Thought about Sumatra for quite awhile, and Jamaican. The shops in Vietnam have beans from all over, including Kopi Luwak and Weasel. I really should have bought more, and a grinder, but didn't think of it until I returned.

 

Oh don't worry, you can buy a good grinder everywhere, even in Thailand.

 

Kopi Luwak is among the best in the world, almost no acidity at all, but too expensive for daily use.

 

Starbucks sell single origin Sumatran which is good. Mandailing Estate in Sumatra send all over the world if you want the real thing.

 

Weasel coffee you have to be careful because the Vietnamese are prone to fake Weasel coffee. They do it well, but it is a problem.

 

You can't go wrong with Yauco from Puerto Rico, Sumatran Mandailing or the best Ethiopian coffee. But some Thai coffe is also excellent, Cafe Ronn is superb.

[Peterphuket]

In my experience, the coffee stands or falls with the coffee you use.

Have had an espresso machine for years, but stopped making coffee because I can't find the right coffee.

I'm back to instant coffee, unfortunately.

[fredwiggy]

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Oh don't worry, you can buy a good grinder everywhere, even in Thailand.

 

Kopi Luwak is among the best in the world, almost no acidity at all, but too expensive for daily use.

 

Starbucks sell single origin Sumatran which is good. Mandailing Estate in Sumatra send all over the world if you want the real thing.

 

Weasel coffee you have to be careful because the Vietnamese are prone to fake Weasel coffee. They do it well, but it is a problem.

 

You can't go wrong with Yauco from Puerto Rico, Sumatran Mandailing or the best Ethiopian coffee. But some Thai coffe is also excellent, Cafe Ronn is superb.

Kopi Luwak was 200,000 Dong in Vietnam at the shops I visited, on the bag, but I'm sure it was price per cup. I'm still not positive about drinking coffee pooped out by Civets. I see it costs a lot more in the west because of import prices.

[Cameroni]

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Kopi Luwak was 200,000 Dong in Vietnam at the shops I visited, on the bag, but I'm sure it was price per cup. I'm still not positive about drinking coffee pooped out by Civets. I see it costs a lot more in the west because of import prices.

 

Kopi Luwak is great because the Civets are so discerning. If a coffee bean is not ripe, if the plant was diseased, the Civet would not touch the beans. They only eat the best.

 

Plus of course the enzyme and acid bath afterwards.

 

Be careful in Vietnam though, if they fake Weasel coffee, which they do, I would not buy my Kopi Luwak in Vietnam, whose to say they don't fake the Kopi Luwak as well if they're so good at faking Weasel coffee.

[scubascuba3]

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

Moka Pot is the way to go.

 

Get a good grinder, so you can do a good grind. Only buy beans so you grind fresh.

Correct.

 

I go to many coffee shops and my moka pot (200 baht) is as good as those shops with machines 200k baht, except the milk of course.

 

Great thing about a moka pot is it's ideal for 1 (4 cup is ideal, 3cup a bit small).

 

Grinder from Lazada 220 baht. I grind the beans for one just before brewing.

 

The key is finding the beans you like, trial and error, try Lazada, buy 250g bag so if you don't like it it will be gone in a couple of weeks. My favourite is 199 baht for 500g, Arabica Dark Roast (French)

[Cameroni]

1 minute ago, scubascuba3 said:

Correct.

 

I go to many coffee shops and my moka pot (200 baht) is as good as those shops with machines 200k baht, except the milk of course.

 

Great thing about a moka pot is it's ideal for 1 (4 cup is ideal, 3cup a bit small).

 

Grinder from Lazada 220 baht. I grind the beans for one just before brewing.

 

The key is finding the beans you like, trial and error, try Lazada, buy 250g bag so if you don't like it it will be gone in a couple of weeks. My favourite is 199 baht for 500g, Arabica Dark Roast (French)

 

I love the Moka Pot because it is small and can travel with you. Plus it never ever breaks, whereas some of the hyper expensive espresso machines I had ALWAYS broke.

 

Save the frogs is right though, the machines have marginally better pressure, but the Moka Pot has good pressure and always delivers. But it never breaks and you can take it with you.

 

I don't go for expensive machines anymore because I don't want to deal with the issue of the machine breaking. Plus the cleaning of the machines is much more time intensive than cleaning a little moka pot.

[fredwiggy]

Just now, Cameroni said:

 

I love the Moka Pot because it is small and can travel with you. Plus it never ever breaks, whereas some of the hyper expensive espresso machines I had ALWAYS broke.

 

Save the frogs is right though, the machines have marginally better pressure, but the Moka Pot has good pressure and always delivers. But it never breaks and you can take it with you.

 

I don't go for expensive machines anymore because I don't want to deal with the issue of the machine breaking. Plus the cleaning of the machines is much more time intensive than cleaning a little moka pot.

That's why I thought it would be a good starting point for making my own coffee, besides the Phin cup I brought back from Vietnam. When I move back to Texas, I can get involved more with a machine that does everything as the science of coffee making is very interesting and only you can fully know what coffees give you satisfaction, through experimenting.

[hotchilli]

5 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Not a new coffee drinker but never really got into the serious part of making it until recently. I've only drank coffee the last 9 years or so, deciding the health benefits far outweighed the negative, and had a  Keurig back when I lived in Texas, along with going to Starbucks, Dutch Brothers and a myriad of other coffee shops in Texas while I lived there. Just recently came back from Vietnam, finally trying their brands and thinking they're the best I've had so far. I brought back some fresh ground and had it today, but don't have a coffee maker yet so looking to purchase a Moka Pot soon. When I move back to Texas I'll get the whole arsenal of coffee making items but for now want to use the Moka as I hear it makes a good rich cup fast. I'd like to hear what others say about it. I've seen some comments from some serious drinkers here and it more strengthens my desire to get more involved in the coffee sciences.

Try this, it works fine for me: just choose the capacity that suits you.

I chose the largest as it gives me two full cups.

https://my.lazada.co.th/customer/order/view/?shopGroupKey=ORDERLOGIC_960662193147257_413622_FO056912992434939&tradeOrderId=960662193147257&spm=a2o42.order_list.list_manage.1

[fredwiggy]

54 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Oh don't worry, you can buy a good grinder everywhere, even in Thailand.

 

Kopi Luwak is among the best in the world, almost no acidity at all, but too expensive for daily use.

 

Starbucks sell single origin Sumatran which is good. Mandailing Estate in Sumatra send all over the world if you want the real thing.

 

Weasel coffee you have to be careful because the Vietnamese are prone to fake Weasel coffee. They do it well, but it is a problem.

 

You can't go wrong with Yauco from Puerto Rico, Sumatran Mandailing or the best Ethiopian coffee. But some Thai coffe is also excellent, Cafe Ronn is superb.

Just found this one on Lazada, seems like all I'd need...........https://www.lazada.co.th/products/simplus-coffee-grinder-i5064885770-s21396834999.html?c=&channelLpJumpArgs=&clickTrackInfo=query%3Acoffee%252520grinder%3Bnid%3A5064885770%3Bsrc%3ALazadaMainSrp%3Brn%3A740c5f5b205858ef015f61f8e30231c0%3Bregion%3Ath%3Bsku%3A5064885770_TH%3Bprice%3A299%3Bclient%3Adesktop%3Bsupplier_id%3A100191294313%3Bbiz_source%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.lazada.co.th%2F%3Bslot%3A0%3Butlog_bucket_id%3A470687%3Basc_category_id%3A5658%3Bitem_id%3A5064885770%3Bsku_id%3A21396834999%3Bshop_id%3A2173372%3BtemplateInfo%3A107882_D_E%231104_L%23-1_A3_C%23&freeshipping=1&fs_ab=2&fuse_fs=&lang=en&location=Samut Prakan&price=299&priceCompare=skuId%3A21396834999%3Bsource%3Alazada-search-voucher%3Bsn%3A740c5f5b205858ef015f61f8e30231c0%3BoriginPrice%3A29900%3BdisplayPrice%3A29900%3BsinglePromotionId%3A-1%3BsingleToolCode%3AmockedSalePrice%3BvoucherPricePlugin%3A0%3Btimestamp%3A1742540576710&ratingscore=4.957820738137083&request_id=740c5f5b205858ef015f61f8e30231c0&review=569&sale=1228&search=1&source=search&spm=a2o4m.searchList.list.0&stock=1

[fredwiggy]

1 minute ago, hotchilli said:

Try this, it works fine for me: just choose the capacity that suits you.

I chose the largest as it gives me two full cups.

https://my.lazada.co.th/customer/order/view/?shopGroupKey=ORDERLOGIC_960662193147257_413622_FO056912992434939&tradeOrderId=960662193147257&spm=a2o42.order_list.list_manage.1

I couldn't open that for some reason but have this one bookmarked for a soon purchase..............https://www.lazada.co.th/products/bialetti-moka-pot-moka-express-silver-3-cups-3-bl-0001162-i1571002499-s18556229410.html?c=&channelLpJumpArgs=&clickTrackInfo=query%3Abialetti%252520moka%252520pot%252520%3Bnid%3A1571002499%3Bsrc%3ALazadaMainSrp%3Brn%3A274269b2aff3ba173537b9742723448c%3Bregion%3Ath%3Bsku%3A1571002499_TH%3Bprice%3A1572%3Bclient%3Adesktop%3Bsupplier_id%3A100186131022%3Bbiz_source%3Ah5_internal%3Bslot%3A2%3Butlog_bucket_id%3A470687%3Basc_category_id%3A11989%3Bitem_id%3A1571002499%3Bsku_id%3A18556229410%3Bshop_id%3A1731126%3BtemplateInfo%3A107882_A3_C_E%231104_L%23&clusterType=nonSpu&freeshipping=1&fs_ab=2&fuse_fs=&lang=en&location=Bangkok&price=1572&priceCompare=skuId%3A18556229410%3Bsource%3Alazada-search-voucher%3Bsn%3A274269b2aff3ba173537b9742723448c%3BoriginPrice%3A157200%3BdisplayPrice%3A157200%3BsinglePromotionId%3A-1%3BsingleToolCode%3AmockedSalePrice%3BvoucherPricePlugin%3A0%3Btimestamp%3A1742455084397&ratingscore=4.943396226415095&request_id=274269b2aff3ba173537b9742723448c&review=689&sale=2132&search=1&source=search&spm=a2o4m.searchList.list.2&stock=1

[scubascuba3]

11 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

I love the Moka Pot because it is small and can travel with you. Plus it never ever breaks, whereas some of the hyper expensive espresso machines I had ALWAYS broke.

 

Save the frogs is right though, the machines have marginally better pressure, but the Moka Pot has good pressure and always delivers. But it never breaks and you can take it with you.

 

I don't go for expensive machines anymore because I don't want to deal with the issue of the machine breaking. Plus the cleaning of the machines is much more time intensive than cleaning a little moka pot.

One thing massively improved my moka pot experience and that was buying a new and improved model. These 4 cup 200ml models (circ 200 baht) flow much better than the shorter older style versions. Bargain of the century, out of stock on this link but available elsewhere

 

https://s.lazada.co.th/s.FBLWc

[Cameroni]

5 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Just found this one on Lazada, seems like all I'd need...........https://www.lazada.co.th/products/simplus-coffee-grinder-i5064885770-s21396834999.html?c=&channelLpJumpArgs=&clickTrackInfo=query%3Acoffee%252520grinder%3Bnid%3A5064885770%3Bsrc%3ALazadaMainSrp%3Brn%3A740c5f5b205858ef015f61f8e30231c0%3Bregion%3Ath%3Bsku%3A5064885770_TH%3Bprice%3A299%3Bclient%3Adesktop%3Bsupplier_id%3A100191294313%3Bbiz_source%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.lazada.co.th%2F%3Bslot%3A0%3Butlog_bucket_id%3A470687%3Basc_category_id%3A5658%3Bitem_id%3A5064885770%3Bsku_id%3A21396834999%3Bshop_id%3A2173372%3BtemplateInfo%3A107882_D_E%231104_L%23-1_A3_C%23&freeshipping=1&fs_ab=2&fuse_fs=&lang=en&location=Samut Prakan&price=299&priceCompare=skuId%3A21396834999%3Bsource%3Alazada-search-voucher%3Bsn%3A740c5f5b205858ef015f61f8e30231c0%3BoriginPrice%3A29900%3BdisplayPrice%3A29900%3BsinglePromotionId%3A-1%3BsingleToolCode%3AmockedSalePrice%3BvoucherPricePlugin%3A0%3Btimestamp%3A1742540576710&ratingscore=4.957820738137083&request_id=740c5f5b205858ef015f61f8e30231c0&review=569&sale=1228&search=1&source=search&spm=a2o4m.searchList.list.0&stock=1

 

It would do the job, but you would be better off with something like the one below. With grinders the ability to adjust the grind size and consistency plus longevity is something to consider. Some people love manual grind, here I prefer to press a button.  I juse this Braun grinder below and have no issues for 2 years now.

 

https://www.lazada.co.th/products/kg7070-braun-i5068984106-s21408566962.html?c=&channelLpJumpArgs=&clickTrackInfo=query%3ABraun%252520grinder%3Bnid%3A5068984106%3Bsrc%3ALazadaMainSrp%3Brn%3Ae458b075fbb18933f12312d799b63290%3Bregion%3Ath%3Bsku%3A5068984106_TH%3Bprice%3A4253%3Bclient%3Adesktop%3Bsupplier_id%3A27837%3Bbiz_source%3Ah5_internal%3Bslot%3A20%3Butlog_bucket_id%3A470687%3Basc_category_id%3A11781%3Bitem_id%3A5068984106%3Bsku_id%3A21408566962%3Bshop_id%3A8457%3BtemplateInfo%3A107882_D_E%231104_L%23-1_A3_C%23&freeshipping=1&fs_ab=2&fuse_fs=&lang=th&location=South Korea&price=4253&priceCompare=skuId%3A21408566962%3Bsource%3Alazada-search-voucher%3Bsn%3Ae458b075fbb18933f12312d799b63290%3BoriginPrice%3A425300%3BdisplayPrice%3A425300%3BsinglePromotionId%3A-1%3BsingleToolCode%3AmockedSalePrice%3BvoucherPricePlugin%3A0%3Btimestamp%3A1742541244970&ratingscore=&request_id=e458b075fbb18933f12312d799b63290&review=&sale=0&search=1&source=search&spm=a2o4m.searchList.list.20&stock=1

[Cameroni]

1 minute ago, scubascuba3 said:

One thing massively improved my moka pot experience and that was buying a new and improved model. These 4 cup 200ml models (circ 200 baht) flow much better than the shorter older style versions. Bargain of the century, out of stock on this link but available elsewhere

 

https://s.lazada.co.th/s.FBLWc

 

I love this one, it's the one I have.

[scubascuba3]

10 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Just found this one on Lazada, seems like all I'd need...........https://www.lazada.co.th/products/simplus-coffee-grinder-i5064885770-s21396834999.html?c=&channelLpJumpArgs=&clickTrackInfo=query%3Acoffee%252520grinder%3Bnid%3A5064885770%3Bsrc%3ALazadaMainSrp%3Brn%3A740c5f5b205858ef015f61f8e30231c0%3Bregion%3Ath%3Bsku%3A5064885770_TH%3Bprice%3A299%3Bclient%3Adesktop%3Bsupplier_id%3A100191294313%3Bbiz_source%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.lazada.co.th%2F%3Bslot%3A0%3Butlog_bucket_id%3A470687%3Basc_category_id%3A5658%3Bitem_id%3A5064885770%3Bsku_id%3A21396834999%3Bshop_id%3A2173372%3BtemplateInfo%3A107882_D_E%231104_L%23-1_A3_C%23&freeshipping=1&fs_ab=2&fuse_fs=&lang=en&location=Samut Prakan&price=299&priceCompare=skuId%3A21396834999%3Bsource%3Alazada-search-voucher%3Bsn%3A740c5f5b205858ef015f61f8e30231c0%3BoriginPrice%3A29900%3BdisplayPrice%3A29900%3BsinglePromotionId%3A-1%3BsingleToolCode%3AmockedSalePrice%3BvoucherPricePlugin%3A0%3Btimestamp%3A1742540576710&ratingscore=4.957820738137083&request_id=740c5f5b205858ef015f61f8e30231c0&review=569&sale=1228&search=1&source=search&spm=a2o4m.searchList.list.0&stock=1

These are better, electric, ideal for 1 cup

 

https://s.lazada.co.th/s.FBLwq

[fredwiggy]

 

4 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

It would do the job, but you would be better off with something like the one below. With grinders the ability to adjust the grind size and consistency plus longevity is something to consider. Some people love manual grind, here I prefer to press a button.  I juse this Braun grinder below and have no issues for 2 years now.

 

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Braun is always a go to brand, and electric also seems a more practical choice. I might get the manual one now and upgrade when I'm back home.

[Lacessit]

I buy Birdy Robusta in a tin. 17 baht. It's the only coffee I can find in the stores which is not laced with sugar.

 

Pour into a cup, microwave 1 minute. Add one-tenth of a teaspoon of stevia, a natural sweetener derived from a South American plant. Zero calories.

 

Not Kopi Luwak, but it suits me without the elaborate preparation this thread is describing.

 

I believe in Keep It Simple Stupid.