Can you be a leftist without also supporting terrorists and criminals?

[Yagoda]

6 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

If you deduct the inner city where most people live.

Ok then.

Guess you have never been there or studied the issue.

[cjinchiangrai]

40 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Well thats not exactly true, but care to share the "right wing terrorism" we are seeing every day. You know, threats to kill, vandalism, arson, assulting police officers?

 

Please demonstrate ANY facts to support your blatantly false allegation.

Deportations with out the proper hearings is a good start.

 

Trump is a well known fraudster. You can ask Vlad for the details if you need.

[Yagoda]

1 minute ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Deportations with out the proper hearings is a good start.

Hearings arent required under the Alien Act.

 

2 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Trump is a well known fraudster. You can ask Vlad for the details if you need.

Translation: I have nothing

[RayC]

27 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

You need to figure out what socialism is, and Labour isnt it. See ya in the appropriate topic, Ill be waiting, here is your white feather until you show up.

 

I've showed up here to debunk your nonsense.

 

Here's the 1945 Labour manifesto. Read the document from 'Jobs For All' onwards and tell me that is not a Socialist manifesto. I doubt very much that your MAGA colleagues would disagree with my interpretation that it is.

 

http://www.labour-party.org.uk/manifestos/1945/1945-labour-manifesto.shtml

 

You clearly do not understand Socialism and the various forms which it can take, and you now demonstrate that you know nothing about the history of the British Labour Party or the wider Labour movement.

 

Until you acquire some basic understanding of the subject, there is no point in me - or imo anyone else for that matter - continuing this dialogue.

 

[BritManToo]

36 minutes ago, hotsun said:

It wouldnt be so funny if you werent british. The UK is what the rest of the west will have to learn from. Someone had to fail so the rest could be spared

Australian pretending to be British.

[Yagoda]

Just now, RayC said:

 

I've showed up here to debunk your nonsense.

 

Here's the 1945 Labour manifesto. Read the document from 'Jobs For All' onwards and tell me that is not a Socialist manifesto. I doubt very much that your MAGA colleagues would disagree with my interpretation that it is.

 

http://www.labour-party.org.uk/manifestos/1945/1945-labour-manifesto.shtml

 

You clearly do not understand Socialism and the various forms which it can take, and you now demonstrate that you know nothing about the history of the British Labour Party or the wider Labour movement.

 

Until you acquire some basic understanding of the subject, there is no point in me - or imo anyone else for that matter - continuing this dialogue.

 

Wrong topic. Hang on to your Feather. The Link has been posted. Labour has been around since 1900 or so, are you contending that they are the same as the Bolsheviks? See ya in the right topic LOL.

 

Oh this will be good.

[BritManToo]

3 minutes ago, RayC said:

the 1945 Labour manifesto. Read the document from 'Jobs For All' onwards and tell me that is not a Socialist manifesto. I doubt very much th

They did such a good job, rationing didn't end until 1954.

[Harrisfan]

24 minutes ago, Sir Dude said:

History is littered with so many failed attempts at socialism, and that's because it simply doesn't work once you try to scale it up. The seduction of the idea is that at the very small/micro level, like family and friends, it works... but then some "revolutionary" student union idealistic types try to scale it up to the national or whatever level and it fails miserably, basically due to human nature and greed, with an unwillingness to be truly equal with all when it comes down to it, as judgement is cast on others for their opinions or shortcomings/disabilities/whatever. This is famously deplicted in George Orwell's novel Aminal Farm, and imortalized in the sentence "All pigs are equal, but some are more equal than others...". After the implosion of the experiement with socialism, everyone cries and wonders why it failed... duhhhh!

The other problem with the far left and proper socialism is that each foolish generation gets into their early twenties, hasn't studied history properly, and thinks "Those who tried in the past were stupid, we can get it right this time", and then fail miserably causing no end of damage along the way. 

Obviously, the Bolshevics are the post-boy organization for showcasing this failure all the way up the the implosion of the USSR after all the death, killing, torture and suffering it brought about... but there are plenty of other examples too (Cuba/Venezuela/Commie China etc.) People like to label anyone to the right of Stalin as "far right" these days... but most don't realize that there is something alive and well called "far-left fascism" which is equally oppressive and is slowly creeping into western societies whilst hiding in plain sight with all the language, expression, social media, and thought policing in the education sector and businesses. Get out whilst you still can, I say.

That's not to say that capitalism is perfect, but it works a lot better, and it's like what Churchill said...

“The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent virtue of Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.” —House of Commons, 22 October 1945.

Well said

[cjinchiangrai]

7 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Hearings arent required under the Alien Act.

 

Translation: I have nothing

The Alien act was an illegal declaration. A Bush judge has already stayed it.

 

Translation, I am not wasting time with a Putin sock puppet.

[Harrisfan]

23 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

High end Russians.

Cashed up big time, you have to experience it to believe it.

You hang out with them? No thanks

[Ben Zioner]

5 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Socialism mandates terrorism and violence. The philosophical underpinnings of socialism, indeed, their entire philosophical premise for government and life can only be achieved by terrorists who engage in violence and authoritarianism. The best examples of socialist violence are found, of course, in bolshevism, national socialism and Chinese communism.

 

So, January 7, 2021 wasn't socialist violence was it.

 

What kind was it then?

[BLMFem]

Can you be a leftist without also supporting terrorists and criminals?

 

 

....asks a person who fervently supports a convicted criminal. I guess the MAGA cult don't mind a bit of hypocrisy, but I guess it's the same with all cult followers.

[Jeff the Chef]

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

Not clear enough? Socialism cannot exist without violence and terrorism. Care to dispute that?

 

As a Brit I choose to be on the left-wing of the political spectrum, in reality I'm a Atheist Humanitarian who thinks violence to ones fellow human beings is adherent, the right on the other hand, along with the current leadership of the USA offer no hope for peace in this world because in my opinion it is all me me me, we're right and everyone else is wrong, and the little people or people that you are not fans of do not matter to you.

If it's any consolation your previous leaders are not much better, Capitalism making the rich richer and a few crumbs for the less unfortunates, not everyone can make it in this life, so where's the humanity of this World?

And ffs don't start me off on religion, that could be the cause of the end of civilisation as we know it, another con trick, for the masses.

[Ben Zioner]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Quite astonishing to me how MAGA has descended to a level where some of the less intelligent supporters are simply reduced to slogans, name calling as a juvenile tribute to their political Master, and memes rather than intelligent discussions.

 

All Democrats are communist

All Democrats are baby killers

All Democrats support trans rights. 

All democrats are woke

 

Do you know where we get our power from? We drink the blood of infants in basements of pizza parlors. 

 

I am not astonished at all, this line has been rehearsed in Germany between 1933 and 1945. It took longer than what my Dad expected, but there we are. The always pushed the idea that Evil would bounce back from the US, I disagreed, but at the end of the day he was right.

[Phulublub]

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

An armed society is a polite society. If you deduct inner city gun crime from the equation, the USA is very safe and polite.

Apart from the school shootings, of course..how many so far this year?

 

PH

[candide]

5 minutes ago, Ben Zioner said:

 

I am not astonished at all, this line has been rehearsed in Germany between 1933 and 1945. It took longer than what my Dad expected, but there we are. The always pushed the idea that Evil would bounce back from the US, I disagreed, but at the end of the day he was right.

The model is more likely Russia.

[uncletiger]

The nature of being a leftist today means you are collaborating with organized crime. The globalist criminal syndicate is a mafia like organization that controls national governments just like mafias controlled municipal governments back in the late 19th and early 20th century. They are the driving force behind all the leftist moves towards a totalitarian, one world government. Being a leftist in a Western culture means you must support crime, because all the politicians who represent socialist values are owned by the criminal syndicate. There are no independent, socialist leftists politicians. They are all completely controlled by the deep state/globalist cabal.

 

It's not a problem exclusive to the political left. Many on the political right are also controlled. But it is possible to be on the right, espouse extreme, limited government, and therefore have morals and ethics that prevent being captured by organized crime. These people are tolerated by the globalists as they are extremely few in number. Most officials can be bought or blackmailed into submission.

 

So no. You can't be a leftist without supporting terrorists and criminals, because the nature of the entirety of the political left movement (and much of the right) is criminal.

[Yagoda]

1 hour ago, cjinchiangrai said:

The Alien act was an illegal declaration. A Bush judge has already stayed it.

 

Translation, I am not wasting time with a Putin sock puppet.

Lol, ok. Insert eye roll

[Yagoda]

58 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

As a Brit I choose to be on the left-wing of the political spectrum, in reality I'm a Atheist Humanitarian who thinks violence to ones fellow human beings is adherent, the right on the other hand, along with the current leadership of the USA offer no hope for peace in this world because in my opinion it is all me me me, we're right and everyone else is wrong, and the little people or people that you are not fans of do not matter to you.

If it's any consolation your previous leaders are not much better, Capitalism making the rich richer and a few crumbs for the less unfortunates, not everyone can make it in this life, so where's the humanity of this World?

And ffs don't start me off on religion, that could be the cause of the end of civilisation as we know it, another con trick, for the masses.

Yeah well bro there are a lot more masses scrabbling to make a living than there are high and mighty humanitarian's like you. I guess you think that certain people should rule others? The smart ones over the drones? 

Didn't your lot kill enough people in the 20th century to gain  your utopias? Haven't you got the hint?

 

[Yagoda]

54 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

Apart from the school shootings, of course..how many so far this year?

 

PH

 no idea, maybe one. Unfortunately, the rule of the Democratic party in America has coincided with a decline in forcible mental health treatment allowing people with serious mental illnesses too much freedom. 

 

 

[Yagoda]

1 hour ago, Ben Zioner said:

 

So, January 7, 2021 wasn't socialist violence was it.

 

What kind was it then?

It was a riot. Please show me where the maga movement has lined up millions of people before anti-tank ditches and shot them down.

[spidermike007]

2 hours ago, Dan O said:

Transparency??? Do you mean Doge hiding the source information about the supposed savings they are making? No you mean the peace deal for Ukraine that Ukraine is an active party to and the details are withheld from them?  Oh yeah I know the transparency of communication over an open channel classified information about a peace loving leader while actively bombing in the middle east and inviting a non government person with no clearance to the discussion.  

Thanks, there has been zero of the promise transparency that Musk and Trump promised. And he claims to be saving lots of money, but he won't disclose where any of that money is being saved and he won't disclose any details.

 

That sounds like the work of a fascist or an insane technocrat. 

[spidermike007]

27 minutes ago, uncletiger said:

The nature of being a leftist today means you are collaborating with organized crime. The globalist criminal syndicate is a mafia like organization that controls national governments just like mafias controlled municipal governments back in the late 19th and early 20th century. They are the driving force behind all the leftist moves towards a totalitarian, one world government. Being a leftist in a Western culture means you must support crime, because all the politicians who represent socialist values are owned by the criminal syndicate. There are no independent, socialist leftists politicians. They are all completely controlled by the deep state/globalist cabal.

 

It's not a problem exclusive to the political left. Many on the political right are also controlled. But it is possible to be on the right, espouse extreme, limited government, and therefore have morals and ethics that prevent being captured by organized crime. These people are tolerated by the globalists as they are extremely few in number. Most officials can be bought or blackmailed into submission.

 

So no. You can't be a leftist without supporting terrorists and criminals, because the nature of the entirety of the political left movement (and much of the right) is criminal.

One can say the same thing about the right, the nature of being a MAGA supporter is to support a felon, a scam artist, and a lifelong career criminal, what's the difference? 

[Purdey]

I don't know about others, but I am surprised that those who throw around words like Socialist, Marxist and Communist don't appear to know what those words mean. 

"I don't like your politics; therefore, you are a communist."

I wonder what they teach in schools.

[rough diamond]

2 hours ago, Yagoda said:

We  dont throw bananas at black people. Id call that progress.

Is that because they are too expensive now under Trump?

🍌

[Kinok Farang]

Perhaps but you must definitely allow men into female sports and changing rooms,not know what a woman is,still support BLM,even though it was the con of the century,scratch every Tesla you see and believe Harris would have made a better President than Trump.

[Yagoda]

1 minute ago, rough diamond said:

Is that because they are too expensive now under Trump?

🍌

No it's because people in the United States are not racists and would not ever think of engaging in such blatant acts of racism. It's so impolite and would mark you as being a <deleted>, The fat stupid dude down in the corner with everybody pointing at him chanting ***hole, **hole.

 

As opposed to over in Europe where it's constant. Can you imagine people being so racist that they can't even let them into the stands? 

 

People in glass houses

[SunnyinBangrak]

I'm no Mystic Meg, but I can tell you with 100% certainty in a few years time the forum left will frantically deny ever having been on the side of corrupt opaque govt waste and fraud, and supporting TrenDeAragua terrorists and other gangbangers.

They will say, "we were never triggered by Musk and we supported his heroic anti deep state fraud wholeheartedly".

It will be a repeat of their I never said Hunters laptop was Russian disinfo although that was the only permitted narrative for years and boy were they all-in on that silly narrative too.

History repeating itself

[Yagoda]

8 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

I'm no Mystic Meg, but I can tell you with 100% certainty in a few years time the forum left will frantically deny ever having been on the side of corrupt opaque govt waste and fraud, and supporting TrenDeAragua terrorists and other gangbangers.

They will say, "we were never triggered by Musk and we supported his heroic anti deep state fraud wholeheartedly".

It will be a repeat of their I never said Hunters laptop was Russian disinfo although that was the only permitted narrative for years and boy were they all-in on that silly narrative too.

History repeating itself

Brilliant 

[JoseThailand]

You can. It's called being a centrist