China Halts Critical Exports as Trade War Intensifies

[GammaGlobulin]

7 hours ago, placeholder said:

Well, it should be clear that the way not to do it is by imposing tariffs on those nations.

 

Just because others are unwilling to jump out the window, does not mean that one cannot jump alone.

 

[Presnock]

On 4/14/2025 at 7:09 AM, placeholder said:

China has suspended exports of a wide range of critical minerals and magnets, threatening to choke off supplies of components central to automakers, aerospace manufacturers, semiconductor companies and military contractors around the world.

Shipments of the magnets, essential for assembling everything from cars and drones to robots and missiles, have been halted at many Chinese ports while the Chinese government drafts a new regulatory system. Once in place, the new system could permanently prevent supplies from reaching certain companies, including American military contractors.

https://archive.ph/tKoXH

 

Hey Trump!  Thanks a lot, you have all the answers to self destruction for sure and those idiot advisors of yours are as dumb or dumber than you! IMHO

[RayC]

8 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Should have, would have, could have ... what if Russia stopped advancing, after they secured they borders, and were simply happy with that victory.

 

Given that it was Germany which broke the pact and acted with aggression towards Russia, that particular alternative scenario was never going to happen.

 

8 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Sooner or later, much later, Germany would have lost control of Europe domination.  As no force has ever lasted after dominating a war, unless completely animating their adversary.

 

Resistance groups would have finally won, or the empire itself, as they all do, self destruct from within.

 

Yes, much later. 'Empires fall' is probably a truism but a sustained period of rule by Nazi Germany would have left an Indelible mark on Europe and, no doubt, things would be a lot different today.

 

8 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Now, all are so intertwined in trade, the mythical WW 3 that is pushed, and all fear, will never happen.  But it's great for profits, as we all know ... "more taxes will solve everything"

 

... and the band played on 

 

Maybe but that is another discussion.

 

In any event, nothing in your post negates my proposition that your original analysis was an over-simplification, which ignores the importance of the British resistance in WW2, especially during the period from June 1940 to June 1941.

[beautifulthailand99]

I'm in the market for a new phone and pc so I'm hoping a lot of stock will be dumped in Europe when the price gets too high in the US.

[KhunLA]

24 minutes ago, RayC said:

In any event, nothing in your post negates my proposition that your original analysis was an over-simplification, which ignores the importance of the British resistance in WW2, especially during the period from June 1940 to June 1941.

I like keeping things simple, as going to far in depth, and I'll lose the masses, as they simply can't handle the truth ... 

 

I didn't even elaborate about USA supporting the Nazis .. ol' Prescott Bush & friends 🙄

 

Or Prince Edwards fascination of all things Nazi & Adolf even  proposed a peace agreement    

 

While other royals were trying to distance themselves from their German heritage ... go figure, shh 

[Gweiloman]

On 4/14/2025 at 1:06 PM, hotsun said:

Ask yourself why you care so much about china. Are you white? Good lord

China is the 2nd biggest economy in the world and soon to be number 1. They are the manufacturing capital of the world. Thanks to the above, I am able to own many things that makes my life extremely comfortable at a very affordable price. Electric vehicles, automated toilet seats with sensors, temperature control and foot flush, all kinds of household appliances, great food, amazing holiday destinations (visa free I might add) at incredibly low prices… the list goes on.

 

Fact that they don’t invade other countries or attempt regime change and don’t impose unilateral sanctions makes the world a better and safer place.

 

Fact also that they invest heavily in infrastructure in poorer, developing countries thus raising the standard of living of those citizens is also a rather Christian thing in spite of the fact that there isn’t an official religion in China.

 

Asia on the whole has generally been a very peaceful corner of the world since the colonisers left over half a century ago. China will continue to try and maintain peace and prosperity in this region for all its people which is a good thing in my book.

 

Peace…

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1 hour ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Just because others are unwilling to jump out the window, does not mean that one cannot jump alone.

 

I'm not sure that's the best analogy, but the sake of argument, let's assume it's a good thing to jump out the window. Why would you want to discourage others from doing the same?

[GroveHillWanderer]

On 4/14/2025 at 8:47 AM, BangkokReady said:

An interesting tactic, but let's not forget that China desperately needs to sell these products to the US, so it's really just a game of chicken.

 

It will be interesting to see how this affects things.  Can the US find another source, will it force them to innovate, or will China cave after a short period of time?

 

Are you sure China desperately needs to sell these products to the US?

 

In 2023, China's export value of rare earth compounds, worldwide, was $763 million.

 

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1230682/china-export-value-of-rare-earths/

 

 

In the same year, China's total exports were valued at $3.42 trillion.

 

https://oec.world/en/profile/country/chn

 

So rare earth exports represent approximately 0.02% of China's total exports.

 

I can't find any statistics of what percentage of China's rare earth exports go to the US but even if it was 100% (which it obviously isn't) that means China could forgo the entirety of its rare earth exports to the US and still  not feel the pinch .

[Gweiloman]

29 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

 

Are you sure China desperately needs to sell these products to the US?

 

In 2023, China's export value of rare earth compounds, worldwide, was $763 million.

 

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1230682/china-export-value-of-rare-earths/

 

 

In the same year, China's total exports were valued at $3.42 trillion.

 

https://oec.world/en/profile/country/chn

 

So rare earth exports represent approximately 0.02% of China's total exports.

 

I can't find any statistics of what percentage of China's rare earth exports go to the US but even if it was 100% (which it obviously isn't) that means China could forgo the entirety of its rare earth exports to the US and still  not feel the pinch .

Don’t be so hard on him. He gets his economic lessons from Jesse Watters of Fox News.

[GammaGlobulin]

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

I'm not sure that's the best analogy, but the sake of argument, let's assume it's a good thing to jump out the window. Why would you want to discourage others from doing the same?

 

If one's house is on fire, and no other way out, then one must jump out the window.

However, others in the room might choose to lie on the floor and burn to death.

Does this clarify things for you?

 

We will never get Europe to cooperate and do what is good for them.

They are FOOLS.

 

 

[BLMFem]

1 hour ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

If one's house is on fire, and no other way out, then one must jump out the window.

However, others in the room might choose to lie on the floor and burn to death.

Does this clarify things for you?

 

We will never get Europe to cooperate and do what is good for them.

They are FOOLS.

 

 

Whereas, OTOH................

[placeholder]

3 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

If one's house is on fire, and no other way out, then one must jump out the window.

However, others in the room might choose to lie on the floor and burn to death.

Does this clarify things for you?

 

We will never get Europe to cooperate and do what is good for them.

They are FOOLS.

But why would you want to discourage those people from jumping in the first place? And of course, if they're on the 10th floor, they might see the jumper's solution as suicidal.

[GammaGlobulin]

32 minutes ago, placeholder said:

But why would you want to discourage those people from jumping in the first place? And of course, if they're on the 10th floor, they might see the jumper's solution as suicidal.

 

You are the one who arguing against jumping.

Not I.

 

[placeholder]

4 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

You are the one who arguing against jumping.

Not I.

 

In this case it's Trump who's discouraging them by penalizing them. Making them wear lead weights if they do jump.

[GammaGlobulin]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

In this case it's Trump who's discouraging them by penalizing them. Making them wear lead weights if they do jump.

 

Happy landings.

Anyway, you seem to have misunderstood my analogy.

Again....Happy Landings!!!!

[placeholder]

Just now, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Happy landings.

Anyway, you seem to have misunderstood my analogy.

Again....Happy Landings!!!!

. It turns out it was just a faulty smoke alarm. I hope you haven't already jumped. Such a long way down.

[sandyf]

On 4/14/2025 at 11:50 AM, spidermike007 said:

I am no fan of the CCP and the Chinese government, quite the opposite, and in no way shape or form am I saying that China is not a bully.

 

However Trump provoked them, and they are simply responding at this point, and what you don't want to admit is that they have a much stronger hand in this game. They could crush Trump and the US. 

Trump is a bully and that mentality does not see the opponent hitting back very hard.

There are reoprts emerging that China has cancelled aircraft from Boeing.  If true they would have had to see a positive outcome for such a move.

 

Shares of Boeing fell Tuesday following a report that China has halted the delivery of all its jets to airlines in the country as part of an escalating trade war that has enveloped the world’s two biggest economies.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/04/15/business/boeing-china-deliveries/index.html

[sandyf]

18 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

I'm in the market for a new phone and pc so I'm hoping a lot of stock will be dumped in Europe when the price gets too high in the US.

“There are some scarce products [in gaming] that we wanted bigger allocations of than anyone could provide and suddenly we’re getting them because the stuff that was heading towards the US is now available,” he said.

https://www.retailgazette.co.uk/blog/2025/04/currys-boss-trump-tariffs/

[placeholder]

17 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

China is the 2nd biggest economy in the world and soon to be number 1. They are the manufacturing capital of the world. Thanks to the above, I am able to own many things that makes my life extremely comfortable at a very affordable price. Electric vehicles, automated toilet seats with sensors, temperature control and foot flush, all kinds of household appliances, great food, amazing holiday destinations (visa free I might add) at incredibly low prices… the list goes on.

 

Fact that they don’t invade other countries or attempt regime change and don’t impose unilateral sanctions makes the world a better and safer place.

 

Fact also that they invest heavily in infrastructure in poorer, developing countries thus raising the standard of living of those citizens is also a rather Christian thing in spite of the fact that there isn’t an official religion in China.

 

Asia on the whole has generally been a very peaceful corner of the world since the colonisers left over half a century ago. China will continue to try and maintain peace and prosperity in this region for all its people which is a good thing in my book.

 

Peace…

Actually, it depends on how you measure an economy. In terms of purchasing power it's already number 1. But it does face huge problems. For one, Xi has favored the public, money losing sector over the private sector. One again, the public sector is larger than the private sector. Xi has compelled the private sector to provide loans to the public sector. Loans which most likely will go unpaid. One of the reasons that China's use of capital is so inefficient. There's a lot more too. So there was a lot of doubt that China would ever truly be number 1. On the other hand, Trump seems to be offering it a helping hand if only relatively.

[JAG]

15 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

If one's house is on fire, and no other way out, then one must jump out the window.

However, others in the room might choose to lie on the floor and burn to death.

Does this clarify things for you?

 

We will never get Europe to cooperate and do what is good for them.

They are FOOLS.

 

 

Well they do say that it takes one to know one!

[Gweiloman]

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Actually, it depends on how you measure an economy. In terms of purchasing power it's already number 1. But it does face huge problems. For one, Xi has favored the public, money losing sector over the private sector. One again, the public sector is larger than the private sector. Xi has compelled the private sector to provide loans to the public sector. Loans which most likely will go unpaid. One of the reasons that China's use of capital is so inefficient. There's a lot more too. So there was a lot of doubt that China would ever truly be number 1. On the other hand, Trump seems to be offering it a helping hand if only relatively.

China’s system is that of socialism with Chinese characteristics. A lot of “experts” are analysing the Chinese economy based on western capitalistic norms.

 

Even if China never truly becomes No. 1, I think that’s fine with them as that’s not their intention. The Chinese have a saying, “above the sky, there is the sky” which means that you can never truly be No. 1. What’s important is that they have raised millions upon millions out of absolute poverty, they have been the greatest economic miracle the world has ever seen and instead of bullying others, they are very willing to share their knowledge and expertise and help other poorer countries elevate themselves. In so doing, many people around the world now have a better standard of living, unlike those poor citizens of Cuba and various other countries who are being suppressed due to unilateral sanctions by the great Satan.

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6 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

China’s system is that of socialism with Chinese characteristics. A lot of “experts” are analysing the Chinese economy based on western capitalistic norms.

 

Even if China never truly becomes No. 1, I think that’s fine with them as that’s not their intention. The Chinese have a saying, “above the sky, there is the sky” which means that you can never truly be No. 1. What’s important is that they have raised millions upon millions out of absolute poverty, they have been the greatest economic miracle the world has ever seen and instead of bullying others, they are very willing to share their knowledge and expertise and help other poorer countries elevate themselves. In so doing, many people around the world now have a better standard of living, unlike those poor citizens of Cuba and various other countries who are being suppressed due to unilateral sanctions by the great Satan.

Please, I kind of doubt that Vietnam, the Phillipines, India, and other nations agree with you that China is not bullying others. It's made the extraordinary claim that most of the South China Sea, no matter how far from China, belongs to China. It has backed up its claim with military force against its neighbors. If that's not bullying, what is.

 

What are these Chinese characteristics that differ from standard big state socialism?

 

And as occurred repeatedly, there's nothing the Chinese like better than underwriting big financially dubious projects for corrupt government and then exacting their pound of flesh when these projects inevitably go south. Just one example is Sri Lanka. Both India and the IMF turned down support the corrupt government's plan for a big project because it was obviously doomed to fail. China now has a permanent presence on the island as a result of that failure. And that's just one example.

[Gweiloman]

52 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Please, I kind of doubt that Vietnam, the Phillipines, India, and other nations agree with you that China is not bullying others. It's made the extraordinary claim that most of the South China Sea, no matter how far from China, belongs to China. It has backed up its claim with military force against its neighbors. If that's not bullying, what is.

 

What are these Chinese characteristics that differ from standard big state socialism?

 

And as occurred repeatedly, there's nothing the Chinese like better than underwriting big financially dubious projects for corrupt government and then exacting their pound of flesh when these projects inevitably go south. Just one example is Sri Lanka. Both India and the IMF turned down support the corrupt government's plan for a big project because it was obviously doomed to fail. China now has a permanent presence on the island as a result of that failure. And that's just one example.

The Philippines especially under anyone named Marcos is a US vassal state and are only acting out Washington’s directions. India and China has a border dispute in Kashmir but Xi and Modi are working this out. Also, if you know Indians like I do (I spent a large part of my life around them, both business and personal), you will know they play both sides. Vietnam has just welcomed Xi with open arms as is Malaysia and Cambodia. All ASEAN countries know full well the real reasons behind China’s nine dash line claim and quietly accepts it.

 

The Chinese characteristics are the X factors that no other country can emulate, thus the spectacular rise of China in just a few decades.

 

Debt trap diplomacy has been well and truly debunked and only believed by those who wants to believe it. Much like the Xinjiang genocide and child labour.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

11 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

All ASEAN countries know full well the real reasons behind China’s nine dash line claim and quietly accepts it.

 

 

The most inaccurate and absurd comment on this topic so far, although I'm sure you can top it; please provide evidence that the Philippines, Malaysia, Taiwan, Vietnam, Brunei, and Japan accept China’s claim to the nine-dash-line ….. how on earth can you make up such nonsense (rhetorical)

 

 

 

 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

1 hour ago, Gweiloman said:

China’s system is that of socialism with Chinese characteristics

 

Why do you post on a subject of which you are obviously so unknowledgeable; China’s system is Communist, how can you not know that when there is even a clue in the name CCP (Chinese Communist Party) or CPC (Communist Party of China) ..... remarkable 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Please, I kind of doubt that Vietnam, the Phillipines, India, and other nations agree with you that China is not bullying others. It's made the extraordinary claim that most of the South China Sea, no matter how far from China, belongs to China. It has backed up its claim with military force against its neighbors. If that's not bullying, what is.

 

What are these Chinese characteristics that differ from standard big state socialism?

 

And as occurred repeatedly, there's nothing the Chinese like better than underwriting big financially dubious projects for corrupt government and then exacting their pound of flesh when these projects inevitably go south. Just one example is Sri Lanka. Both India and the IMF turned down support the corrupt government's plan for a big project because it was obviously doomed to fail. China now has a permanent presence on the island as a result of that failure. And that's just one example.

 

I don't often find myself in agreement with you, but happy to say when I do; excellent comment 

 

 

[Gweiloman]

1 hour ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Why do you post on a subject of which you are obviously so unknowledgeable; China’s system is Communist, how can you not know that when there is even a clue in the name CCP (Chinese Communist Party) or CPC (Communist Party of China) ..... remarkable 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Eloquent, you might think you are. Intelligent and knowledgeable, not so as exhibited many times before on multiple subjects.

[Gweiloman]

1 hour ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

 

The most inaccurate and absurd comment on this topic so far, although I'm sure you can top it; please provide evidence that the Philippines, Malaysia, Taiwan, Vietnam, Brunei, and Japan accept China’s claim to the nine-dash-line ….. how on earth can you make up such nonsense (rhetorical)

 

 

 

 

I know so from my various contacts in various ASEAN governments. You are obviously ignorant about statecraft whereby what politicians say don’t always reflect what they think. Not surprising, given your number of inaccurate posts over multiple subjects. 
 

As for Japan, I don’t care as I don’t consider them as being in the South China Sea and they have no say.

[worgeordie]

Trump to China ,with a serious face on , Well we are going to pull

all McDonalds and Starbucks out of China ,

 

China is that the best you can do ,.....your still not getting any 

magnets,rare earths,and other critical products... Trump whimpers....

 

regards Worgeordie

[NoDisplayName]

1 hour ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Why do you post on a subject of which you are obviously so unknowledgeable; China’s system is Communist, how can you not know that when there is even a clue in the name CCP (Chinese Communist Party) or CPC (Communist Party of China) ..... remarkable

 

What's in a name?

 

Democratic People's Republic of Korea, for example?

 

Patriot Act also comes to mind.