Americans fed up with Trump

[metisdead]

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16 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Promises like these are made by all politicians to get elected. Some are followed through, some aren't. His ego says he can do whatever he wants, but common sense says no. Impossible to end a war in a day unless you used nuclear weapons and the other side said, ok, you win. Bringing living costs down takes a long time, and this is another promise that probably won't work. As far as SS, no one in their right minds would stop paying 70 million Americans because it would be a death sentence for whoever tried. Cutting out false payments and firing unnecessary workers is a given, if they are unnecessary. Trump is a very strange character, fueled by his wealth, most of which he made by help from others, and even his supporters know what kind of person he is. Let's see if this second term redeems or buries him.

Is "Cutting out false payments and firing unnecessary workers  what the Trump administration has been doing? Virtually no evidence of fraud has been released. And are those workers unnecessary? Bill Clinton also made big cuts in Federal Govt staff levels. But he first organized an investigation to see where and how cuts should be made. He didn't set loose an ignoramus on day one who has posed with a chainsaw.

[JAG]

14 hours ago, KhunLA said:

I don't know anyone tired of or complaining about him.  Exposing the corruption, and trying to get sh!t done, just like he campaigned to do.  Go figure 

I went and "figured".

 

I put it down to the circles you move in, and your unpreparedness to countenance opinions which differ from yours!

[JAG]

29 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

As far as SS, no one in their right minds would stop paying 70 million Americans because it would be a death sentence for whoever tried.

Again, I sense a flaw in your argument!

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31 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Promises like these are made by all politicians to get elected. Some are followed through, some aren't. His ego says he can do whatever he wants, but common sense says no. Impossible to end a war in a day unless you used nuclear weapons and the other side said, ok, you win. Bringing living costs down takes a long time, and this is another promise that probably won't work. As far as SS, no one in their right minds would stop paying 70 million Americans because it would be a death sentence for whoever tried. Cutting out false payments and firing unnecessary workers is a given, if they are unnecessary. Trump is a very strange character, fueled by his wealth, most of which he made by help from others, and even his supporters know what kind of person he is. Let's see if this second term redeems or buries him.

As for social security...he's slashing staff and making it harder to seek redress. Which should come back to bite him.

[fredwiggy]

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As for social security...he's slashing staff and making it harder to seek redress. Which should come back to bite him.

Their investigations previously noted that there were jobs that weren't important, to at least them. Chopping the block without thinking? Who will know until the dust is settled. There shouldn't be any false payments made anyway. That's the job of the workers to find. If you cut important jobs you'll surely pay, but if you're paying dead wood it also isn't what's supposed to be happening. I'm sure, even though there is ego and arrogance involved, that they're not going to do anything that will harm the 70 million legitimate receivers of SS, as that , like I said, would be the end of whoever did it.

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2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Their investigations previously noted that there were jobs that weren't important, to at least them. Chopping the block without thinking? Who will know until the dust is settled. There shouldn't be any false payments made anyway. That's the job of the workers to find. If you cut important jobs you'll surely pay, but if you're paying dead wood it also isn't what's supposed to be happening. I'm sure, even though there is ego and arrogance involved, that they're not going to do anything that will harm the 70 million legitimate receivers of SS, as that , like I said, would be the end of whoever did it.

Because Elon Musk cares?

Given that they started the massive cuts right away, and that Elon Musk has consistently made claims that turned out to be false, we don't need the dust to settle before we know. We know already that these cuts were executed in ignorance. Remember that Musk started out by claiming he could cuit 2 trillion dollars from the budget. Then it fell to 1 trillion. His last claim had declined to 150 billion. And that claim is turning out to be false. He also claimed millions of dead people were receiving social security payments. That turned out to be false. What more proof is needed of the ignorance behind DOGE?.

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[fredwiggy]

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Because Elon Musk cares?

Given that they started the massive cuts right away, and that Elon Musk has consistently made claims that turned out to be false, we don't need the dust to settle before we know. We know already that these cuts were executed in ignorance. Remember that Musk started out by claiming he could cuit 2 trillion dollars from the budget. Then it fell to 1 trillion. His last claim had declined to 150 billion. And that claim is turning out to be false. He also claimed millions of dead people were receiving social security payments. That turned out to be false. What more proof is needed of the ignorance behind DOGE?.

Not a good idea to take others opinions, which are usually biased, on another's actions. The only way to know what the truth is, is to wait for it to come out. I dislike that side, but both sides have problems so it's hard to know who to trust. Tim always shows the truth. They exaggerate because they're billionaires with huge egos. Not unexpected. People who are given that much power, by voters, has them do what they think is right. This is why one person should never have this much power. it has never been a good idea, although the first few presidents did some good because the country was young and needed someone to take charge. After awhile it's narcissists that get in because of money and false promises, and the people who fall for the BS.

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5 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Not a good idea to take others opinions, which are usually biased, on another's actions. The only way to know what the truth is, is to wait for it to come out. I dislike that side, but both sides have problems so it's hard to know who to trust. Tim always shows the truth. They exaggerate because they're billionaires with huge egos. Not unexpected. People who are given that much power, by voters, has them do what they think is right. This is why one person should never have this much power. it has never been a good idea, although the first few presidents did some good because the country was young and needed someone to take charge. After awhile it's narcissists that get in because of money and false promises, and the people who fall for the BS.

But we've already seen proof that Musk is an ignoramus when it comes to the workings of government.

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

Promises like these are made by all politicians to get elected. Some are followed through, some aren't. His ego says he can do whatever he wants, but common sense says no. Impossible to end a war in a day unless you used nuclear weapons and the other side said, ok, you win. Bringing living costs down takes a long time, and this is another promise that probably won't work. As far as SS, no one in their right minds would stop paying 70 million Americans because it would be a death sentence for whoever tried. Cutting out false payments and firing unnecessary workers is a given, if they are unnecessary. Trump is a very strange character, fueled by his wealth, most of which he made by help from others, and even his supporters know what kind of person he is. Let's see if this second term redeems or buries him.

You are making the assumption Trump is a rational person.

 

It is not him who will get buried. It's highly likely America will go into decline. Empires do that from within.

[fredwiggy]

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But we've already seen proof that Musk is an ignoramus when it comes to the workings of government.

As has many presidents and other politicians, although they do some good, because they have people helping them. People first voted Trump in because they assumed because he was a billionaire, that would make him a good president, not fully understanding he was given millions by his father, and most anyone with any common sense could make more by investing, along with other's help. This doesn't mean they are president material, as history has proven.

[Lacessit]

6 hours ago, anotherexpat4444 said:

yes but greater good have to bite the bullet . 

Greater good for whom? It's more akin to BOHICA.

[norsurin]

This person is evil.Same Musk.And many other republicans who only support trump because they faired they want be elected again and they will loose power and millions of dollars in their future.USA seems like a banana republic.

I really hope the people voted for him get really suffering in the future.

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2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

As has many presidents and other politicians, although they do some good, because they have people helping them. People first voted Trump in because they assumed because he was a billionaire, that would make him a good president, not fully understanding he was given millions by his father, and most anyone with any common sense could make more by investing, along with other's help. This doesn't mean they are president material, as history has proven.

I don't see how your comment is relevant to the current situation. The guy who is really in charge of DOGE is an ignoramus who has made massively false claims. Why does the dust need to settle?

[fredwiggy]

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

You are making the assumption Trump is a rational person.

 

It is not him who will get buried. It's highly likely America will go into decline. Empires do that from within.

I don't assume anything. I knew what type of person he was years before he first ran for president. Smart people I know, some in my own family, still back him, and they also know he's a weirdo, but if he helped you out in some way, especially saving you money, automatically he's a hero in your eyes and can do no wrong. If his decisions prove to be disastrous, he will probably be removed before his term is completed. He still has people behind him that make many decisions. Many other countries are having a lot of the same problems,but they don't get the media attention America does because of it's history.

[fredwiggy]

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I don't see how your comment is relevant to the current situation. The guy who is really in charge of DOGE is an ignoramus who has made massively false claims. Why does the dust need to settle?

Americans, many, are fed up with Trump, but they'll still back him because they're hero worshipers, no matter if they are smart or not. You can't go by the latest news you hear because much of it is biased. Eventually, like everything that is posted here on both sides, the truth and what becomes of it will come out. Calling a billionaire an ignoramus doesn't mean anything. No matter what happens, they'll still be billionaires. Some of their ideas are sound, and some, like the tariffs, might come back to bite America in the ass. You shouldn't take crap from other countries or be shortchanged, but you also shouldn't alienate your neighbors because you need them.

[Felton Jarvis]

Powerful words coming from Karl Rove.  In the past, he has defended every Republican regardless of the

situation. If Rove thinks Trump is in hot water then DJT is likely toast.

[Lacessit]

7 hours ago, KhunLA said:

From TH or when you go back to OZ ... you keep in touch with a lot of Yanks in the USA, do you ?

 

All you non Yanks not living in USA, telling us how we are so unhappy.   My family & friends that live in the USA, will disagree with you.  All like Trump being President instead of Harris.

I have several American friends here. They are not happy with what Trump is doing.

 

There are American posters on ASEAN who have clearly demonstrated their dismay.

 

Or you could look at opinion polls.

 

Just because your family and friends confirm your cognitive bias does not mean everyone does.

[norsurin]

You idiots who think 6-12 weeks in police academy is enough.In my country is 3 years with a bachelor degree.

Police in USA is the professional with most alcoholism and domestic violence.Police is racism and violent in USA 

WHEN ur president said he imagine police get 24 hours that they can do whatever they want is the words of a dictator 

[Tug]

7 hours ago, KhunLA said:

From TH or when you go back to OZ ... you keep in touch with a lot of Yanks in the USA, do you ?

 

All you non Yanks not living in USA, telling us how we are so unhappy.   My family & friends that live in the USA, will disagree with you.  All like Trump being President instead of Harris.

I’m American I spend 75% of my time in the states between California and Arizona I sense a fury building in the country….it’s hasn’t been missed the clown car cabinet picks the assault on free speech the assault on rule of law and everything done by dictating not legislation the firehose of non stop lies the constant groveling to putin.that ain’t sitting well with most Americans…...even in deep red Arizona…..oh and btw the tax I pay on my s/s is a pittance and I get the max 

[Lacessit]

13 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Americans, many, are fed up with Trump, but they'll still back him because they're hero worshipers, no matter if they are smart or not. You can't go by the latest news you hear because much of it is biased. Eventually, like everything that is posted here on both sides, the truth and what becomes of it will come out. Calling a billionaire an ignoramus doesn't mean anything. No matter what happens, they'll still be billionaires. Some of their ideas are sound, and some, like the tariffs, might come back to bite America in the ass. You shouldn't take crap from other countries or be shortchanged, but you also shouldn't alienate your neighbors because you need them.

Make no mistake, the tariffs will bite America in the ass. Smoot-Hawley apparently did not have any lessons for America.

 

Trump has already alienated his neighbors. Canada has taken American liquor off supermarket shelves. A leftist government will be re-elected in Australia. It was floundering before Trump embarked on his tariff war.

 

You would do well to remember Lord Acton's maxim: " Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely".

[Andre0720]

Not me.......

[fredwiggy]

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

Make no mistake, the tariffs will bite America in the ass. Smoot-Hawley apparently did not have any lessons for America.

 

Trump has already alienated his neighbors. Canada has taken American liquor off supermarket shelves. A leftist government will be re-elected in Australia. It was floundering before Trump embarked on his tariff war.

This is reason one why I don't choose sides, as they both have proven themselves wrong. I sit back and see what happens and it's easier to see the truth when you aren't biased or a hero worshiper. The most powerful man in the world can make either good or stupid decisions, or both,  and having a narcissist in charge isn't a good idea in any event. No rational thinker would say he could end the war in one day, but he's been caught out many times on stupid remarks, yet his supporters still don't see anything wrong.

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10 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Americans, many, are fed up with Trump, but they'll still back him because they're hero worshipers, no matter if they are smart or not. You can't go by the latest news you hear because much of it is biased. Eventually, like everything that is posted here on both sides, the truth and what becomes of it will come out. Calling a billionaire an ignoramus doesn't mean anything. No matter what happens, they'll still be billionaires. Some of their ideas are sound, and some, like the tariffs, might come back to bite America in the ass. You shouldn't take crap from other countries or be shortchanged, but you also shouldn't alienate your neighbors because you need them.

What is biased? That Musk made repeated false claims?

[fredwiggy]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

What is biased? That Musk made repeated false claims?

What you hear daily on the news is biased, unless it comes from a reputable source, of which there are few. Yes, all politicians and their backers make false claims. Some are honest and want good changes, some only care about their rich friends, and some are plain disturbed. The problem is, is history has shown that many world leaders have been, or are, disturbed.

[Ben Zioner]

16 hours ago, KhunLA said:

I don't know anyone tired of or complaining about him.  Exposing the corruption, and trying to get sh!t done, just like he campaigned to do.  Go figure 

Living in Thailand mate? Watch your USD pension(s), at 15 Baht to the Dollar.

[jerrymahoney]

New slogan maybe for Ms. Leavitt: Promises made. Promises ... we'll get back to ya.

[ElwoodP]

Personal attack removed.

Polite and civil please.

@Lacessit

[Yagoda]

1 hour ago, Ben Zioner said:

Living in Thailand mate? Watch your USD pension(s), at 15 Baht to the Dollar.

Its 33.50. Thats the area it has been for a year.