Are young farangs out of control?

[fredwiggy]

1 minute ago, MalcolmB said:

Well you would know about that.

It is best for children to grow up in a home with both parents.

Sadly these days many parents are selfish and only think of themselves and a lot of kids end up with an endless stream of step fathers and mothers.

 

Two good parents that spend time with their children and not just pay them off is best. One single parent is good for the same reasons. If they child has a good role model of the opposite gender of the parent they live with, it can be almost as good as having two good parents. A child with two selfish parents that only look at their own lives leaves a child unaware of what the world is about, and has to learn from peers. A child with one good and one selfish, disinterested parent struggles, especially if the "absent" parent is the father.A step parent can be a great role model if they understand their role, and a bad step parent can be a detriment to that child's future and also a possible danger.

[fredwiggy]

Just now, MalcolmB said:

Or motherless.

Most of the time it's the father who's "missing", although there are many mothers who aren't good parents. I experienced two myself and have heard and seen many more, some personally.

[MalcolmB]

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

One single parent is good for the same reasons.

Oh the irony.

You don’t have a clue.

A real man just doesn’t pick up and leave the mother because his feeling were hurt, I real man works through things for the sake of his children.

If they are not prepared to do that they have no business having children.

[MalcolmB]

5 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

One single parent is good for the same reasons.

studies have shown that daughters of divorced parents have a 60 percent higher divorce rate in marriages than children of non-divorced parents, while sons have a 35 percent higher rate,”

 

Children experience mood changes, anger, and frustration at school, while kids from parents who have separated are more disruptive in group, suffer from a decline in academic behavior, and drop out more often than kids from families with both parents

 

 

 

[MalcolmB]

6 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Most of the time it's the father who's "missing",

Well no, most of the time neither parent is missing. 
 

We have a serial offender.

[fredwiggy]

5 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I wouldn't class Thai people as any examples of sanity/insanity for our western standards. Trying to relate their behaviour to our cultural standards just doesn't work.

 

Not to mention, someone living their own life in accordance to the instructions of the fairies that live at the end of their garden probably shouldn't be proclaiming on the status of anyone else's mental health.

People are the same all over the world. Cultures aside, there are certain personality types that are shared in every country. A culture might restrict a child, at least for awhile, but they'll eventually see how the rest of the world works, and might want some of that for themselves, as we see western ideals adopted here and everywhere else. I don't know what you mean by fairies at the end of a garden. If it's your bias against God, that doesn't explain that everyone reads the same books to educate themselves on various subjects, including psychology, as religion or God is only a part of life, and mental illness is something all walks of life encounter. You can be a believer or not and still understand mental illnesses by education.  In fact, belief in God surely saves millions of lives every year, as the commandments are there to teach, and what happens when they are disobeyed? Problems, some major or final. Ever think how the world would be if everyone didn't believe in God?

[MalcolmB]

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

as we see western ideals adopted here and everywhere else.

Rubbish

[fredwiggy]

1 minute ago, MalcolmB said:

studies have shown that daughters of divorced parents have a 60 percent higher divorce rate in marriages than children of non-divorced parents, while sons have a 35 percent higher rate,”

 

Children experience mood changes, anger, and frustration at school, while kids from parents who have separated are more disruptive in group, suffer from a decline in academic behavior, and drop out more often than kids from families with both parents

 

 

 

Studies have also shown that a girl without a father figure does the same things, as well as being promiscuous, but if she has a stepdad or good male role model, she will do just fine. There are a lot of children that come from religious, two parent families and have many problems in life. Having parents in the house is no guarantee of a successful future for a child. There have been quite a few cases of children going on shooting sprees who have two parents at home. Believe me, I've read more studies than you can imagine on this subject.

[BritManToo]

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

don't know what you mean by fairies at the end of a garden. If it's your bias against God, that doesn't explain that everyone reads the same books to educate themselves on various subjects, including psychology, as religion or God is only a part of life, and mental illness is something all walks of life encounter. You can be a believer or not and still understand mental illnesses by education.  In fact, belief in God surely saves millions of lives every year, as the commandments are there to teach, and what happens when they are disobeyed? Problems, some major or final. Ever think how the world would be if everyone didn't believe in God?

Sorry for the delay, just went out to ask my garden fairies how the world would be if everyone didn't believe in god ...... They just rolled around laughing, so not particularly helpful.

[fredwiggy]

1 minute ago, MalcolmB said:

Rubbish

No, facts. and you saying rubbish further shows you really don't know much of what goes on here, or in the west, because if you would look around, most of what children, and adults here do is related to a western idea or invention. Music, movies, acting, singing, phones, cars, scooters, businesses run, computer use, internet , social media, growing crops, all vehicles, TV shows, etc etc etc, all copied from the west.

[fredwiggy]

Just now, BritManToo said:

Sorry for the delay, just went out to ask my garden fairies how the world would be if everyone didn't believe in god ...... They just rolled around laughing, so not particularly helpful.

I can recommend a good psychiatrist to help you with those voices.

[fredwiggy]

7 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Well no, most of the time neither parent is missing. 
 

We have a serial offender.

Yes, actually the most problems occur when the father is either absent or abusive, neglective. A boy grows up not knowing how to treat women, and how to relate to others, and a girl grows up looking for that absent father in all boys, and will never find that "perfect" missing father, and that's where the promiscuity happens, along with her never understanding how to relate to a man, because she never saw one while growing up. If a girl doesn't see her mom treated well by her dad, the only thing she can go by is how her teen friends are treated by boys, which is usually very badly, especially here where they're already looked at as inferior to men.

[fredwiggy]

48 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Oh the irony.

You don’t have a clue.

A real man just doesn’t pick up and leave the mother because his feeling were hurt, I real man works through things for the sake of his children.

If they are not prepared to do that they have no business having children.

I'm thinking you've never read anything on what children go through in any particular family situation, and are, again, only assuming from your limited personal experience. 

 

Do you actually think most men think about the consequences of a child being born after sex? 

 

Most marriages end in divorce, which means most families are broken, which means all those children have a different lifestyle than when the family was together. 

 

As I mentioned many times before, which it either seems you missed, or dismiss because of your lack of knowledge on the subject, children from any situation can end up okay in their futures if they have two role models, one male and one female. It doesn't have to even be the parents, as long as they are available while they are growing up, especially from age 0-5, and again from age 5-17. Children who have at least one stable parent, and a role model of the opposite gender, also can do very well, as long as those role models are positive ones.

 

I don't see where you're talking about a man's feelings getting hurt. A real man does what he can to take care of his children, being there when needed if the divorce happens, as well as supporting that child (ren). Staying together "for the kids" isn't good if there's constant fighting, abuse, alcoholism or drug use, or neglect, from one of the parents. Better that they live apart, staying with the parent who's the most responsible, and seeing the other parent weekly.

 

Again, is it wrong to say you have no children, so have little clue to how children are raised, only going by your own personal experience at your home? That's biased, and if you , again, aren't a reader on the subject, you can only go by what others you know have said, which could be lies or exaggerations, whereas looking at many books written on the subject, by authors who have interviewed thousands of couples and parents, along with children, is a much better source. Malcolm, I really do have a clue.

[Hummin]

What did they think would happen when they legalized weed for medical purposes?

 

The islands have been ruined completely now by drug tourism and also alternative wibes, loud parties, 

 

It have always been parts and bits of it, but nothing like we see now everywhere

[fredwiggy]

15 minutes ago, Hummin said:

What did they think would happen when they legalized weed for medical purposes?

 

The islands have been ruined completely now by drug tourism and also alternative wibes, loud parties, 

 

It have always been parts and bits of it, but nothing like we see now everywhere

Weed actually makes people calmer and more sociable. Crime has been rising all over because of the population going up, and a general lack of enforcement of laws already on the books. Letting young aged children get away with many crimes here because they're "too young to prosecute". Meth and other like drugs are definitely a problem, having some go into rage after use. Legalizing weed actually reduces some crimes, and has those just using staying out of jails and more effort used on putting away dealers, human traffickers and homicides.

[jayboy]

5 hours ago, newnative said:

      You must not live in Pattaya.  It already is 'an attractive resort town for Bangkok residents and some foreign tourists.'  And, I would add, lots of year-round expats living here.  Including me.  Pattaya is filled with Bangkokians on weekends and long holidays.   If you lived here you would know it is very easy to avoid the adult entertainment areas.  You would also know that a very large percentage of the new development is being built away from those areas.   T21 and Centre Point Space just two examples of many--as far from Walking Street as you can get and still be near Pattaya Beach.  The newest, big water park is on the Darkside.  The newest go-cart attraction is in Jomtien.  

      The first huge highrise projects built by the large Bangkok developers who came to Pattaya were originally built as weekend getaway condos for Bangkokians and other Thais.  I'm referring to Lumpini Park Beach Jomtien and the two projects in Wongamat and Naklua by Lumpini, The Base and Baan Plai Haad by Sansiri, Centric Sea by SC Asset, and Unixx by Raimon Land.  The Base's sales brochure was titled "It's the Weekend" and featured yuppy Bangkokians frolicking--with not a single farang pictured in the whole brochure.   Fun fact:  Sansiri actually built a sales office for The Base in Pattaya but they needn't have bothered.  By the time the sales office opened The Base was mostly booked already--by Bangkokians who had booked in Bangkok.

 

Golf courses, water parks and high rise projects don't cut it.There is no high culture at all.The whole place is built on unsophisticated sex business and the fact that there are some other leisure facilities doesn't really alter the picture.I fully accept that yuppy Bangkok Thais often visit as a weekend excursion.But I was referring mainly to the expatriate population which is almost completely comprised in class terms of C1,C2 and DE. If there was no sex business, Pattaya would wither on the vine.

[MalcolmB]

2 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Do you actually think most men think about the consequences of a child being born after sex? 

Obviously some don’t and go through their lives leaving a trail of broken families behind, but most do.

[MalcolmB]

2 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Most marriages end in divorce,

Not true.

[TwinTown]

On 4/28/2025 at 8:25 AM, georgegeorgia said:

I was just looking at videos on Facebook 

One Facebook full page is a Thai one showing young farangs videos of them out of control in Pattaya and I think  Phuket 

 

One video I was shocked at ,two young teenage farangs probably 18-20 with UK accents with beards, bashing a Thai man in the street near Pattaya Big C, before a group of Thai men come to his aid 

They are chased into a 711

The police turn up and do not take control of the situation!

 

 

Another video showing young farangs probably around the 18-20yo mark sitting on the bonnet of a car being driven fast down the south Pattaya road 

 

Another video showing 5 farangs attacking a bouncer at a go go bar

 

Please is this new ?

 

 

 

Did you see the behavior of the Thais on Songkran?  shooting each other and beating the life out of each other.  Men being gunned down over simple arguments..  Pot Kettle Black we say in the UK - most of the arguments and violence are caused by Thai nationals

[MalcolmB]

3 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

that's where the promiscuity happens,

I agree with that one Fred. My ears always prick up when a girl tells me her parents are no longer together.

Becomes a sure thing.

[cjinchiangrai]

1 minute ago, TwinTown said:

Did you see the behavior of the Thais on Songkran?  shooting each other and beating the life out of each other.  Men being gunned down over simple arguments..  Pot Kettle Black we say in the UK - most of the arguments and violence are caused by Thai nationals

Maybe you need to leave?

[newnative]

4 hours ago, LennyW said:

Seems you are confined by the boundaries of North Pattaya road, Sukhumvit and South Pattaya road, dare to venture out of that area and Pattaya is a very attractive destination, probably more tourist attractions than most of Thailand together, Huge ammount of golf courses around, International schools, international foods, multi-million dollar houses and condos, but you need to break through your boundaries to understand the real Pattaya.

 

     Totally agree--and I doubt the poster has even gotten to the boundaries that you mentioned.   From the clueless postings we get, he isn't alone.

[fredwiggy]

33 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Not true.

Actually about 50% for first marriages and 65% or more for second.

[newnative]

1 hour ago, jayboy said:

 

Golf courses, water parks and high rise projects don't cut it.There is no high culture at all.The whole place is built on unsophisticated sex business and the fact that there are some other leisure facilities doesn't really alter the picture.I fully accept that yuppy Bangkok Thais often visit as a weekend excursion.But I was referring mainly to the expatriate population which is almost completely comprised in class terms of C1,C2 and DE. If there was no sex business, Pattaya would wither on the vine.

     There was little in the way of 'high culture' in the US town I lived in, either.   But, it was relatively safe, there were movie theaters, restaurants, good health care, good shopping, good recreation, a fairly wide variety of housing, and there was a big city and an international airport not too far away.  Ditto for Pattaya--except it's safer here, with better year-round weather, and an even better variety of housing--at more reasonable prices.

    Anybody who states, 'If there was no sex business, Pattaya would wither on the vine', clearly is clueless and needs to do some exploring.  And, it's actually the opposite, by the way.  If the sex business disappeared, Pattaya would be doing even better.   You only need to look at all the new development that has been built and is still being built--it's not for sex tourists.   The big, new water park I mentioned in my earlier post?   It's geared mostly to Thais and other Asian visitors.  Probably a dozen new car dealerships have opened since I arrived in Pattaya--sex tourists aren't keeping them open, or T21, Central Festival, all the big box stores, the resorts, water parks, etc., etc.

     If you venture from the small area you seem to frequent, you'll find there's a whole 'nother world out there--from dozens and dozens of very nice, new housing developments to, according to Google, eighteen international schools--including Regents and Rugby--with a new one, Highgate, scheduled to open in 2026.         Spouse and I drove around Rugby for the first time a few days ago and we were super-impressed--even after some 14 years living here we are still discovering new stuff.   While you're exploring and you need a cup of coffee and a pastry, check out the huge Nitan coffee shop/cafe on Sukhumvit.  

     Here's a question for any deep thinkers out there.  If, according to the consensus of Forum posters, Pattaya's population is 40% sex tourists, 40% sex workers, 10% gold chain snatchers, and 10% poorly-trained brutal bar bouncers, how in the world does Pattaya have enough students to fill 18 international schools--with another one on the way?  Perhaps those Pattaya population figures need some adjustment and, in reality, there's lots and lots of families--most living apparently nowhere near where the Forum posters are.  One of the international school buses picks up three or 4 kids in our project so I can vouch for there being actual international kids living in Pattaya.  

       I have never heard of 'C1, C2, and DE' but, judging from your post, I could probably guess that they are references to maybe economic or educational levels--and I assume you think Pattaya expats are sorely lacking in one or the other--or both.  Perhaps you should, once again, get out more and meet some actual expats living away from the non-tourist areas--that's where lots of them are.  We have expat friends who worked, or are still working, at a wide variety of occupations.  Doctors, lawyers, maybe even an Indian chief.  Most run from middle class to wealthy.  Several own multiple properties here.

     With mortgages hard to get for expats, most pay cash for their homes.  The project where we live is fairly typical of new projects in Pattaya.  It has 28 homes, most costing around 10 to 12MB.  There are lots of new Pattaya projects in this price range, by the way, and a number of new projects with higher prices in the 20 to 30MB range--and, some higher than that.

     So, with no mortgages, the owners in the project we live at had at least around $300,000 in ready cash to make their house purchase--not exactly destitute.   Not exactly living in a fan room--although that's the impression you might get from the Forum--that every expat in Pattaya is living a life of quiet desperation in a fan room--when they're not sitting on a bar stool at 9am drinking. 

    The development we live at is a regular United Nations.   We have multiple owners from the US, China, and Russia, and also owners from Israel, Dubai, India, Britain, Ireland, Holland, and Italy, that I know of.  Likely other countries, as well.  Most living ordinary, normal lives, doing ordinary, normal things.  Probably not all that different from what their lives were like where they came from--I know mine isn't.  But, likely in a nicer house and enjoying better year-round weather.  

[Hummin]

6 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Weed actually makes people calmer and more sociable..

Thailands drug tourists is not the good old stoners like it used to be.

 

 

[johnnybangkok]

On 4/28/2025 at 3:24 PM, lavender19 said:

Farang behaviour has changed drastically. I have lived here for over 20 years. I have lived in Pattaya,Phuket Samui. And now a small Thai beach resort for 12 years. In my time of living in those those place I probably witnessed 5 fights. And I was in the bars every night

Ahh the 'I didn't see it with my own 2 eyes so therefore it couldn't have happened' routine.
It's been happening for a long, long time. Drink, drugs and youth ALWAYS have been up to shenanigans. Did none of you live through the 60's with Mods and rockers? Football clubs against any others? 

This idea that society has only degraded recently is fanciful nonsense.