Farage’s Political Earthquake Begins to Rattle Britain’s Foundations

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Let’s see you deliver any evidence at all that it did.

 

The 2017 report you refer to is based on significantly different energy costs than those since the means testing of the winter fuel allowance was introduced.

 

Come back when you have some evidence.

 

   Don't you believe Labour and Keir Starmer ?

Were they wrong about their claims ?

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Don't you believe Labour and Keir Starmer ?

Were they wrong about their claims ?

As I pointed out above, that report was made under different energy costs.

 

The energy costs change, the basis of conclusions changes.

 

Now, how are you getting on with finding evidence to back up your post?

 

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Removing winter heating allowances for pensioners would have gotten lots of pensioners off the NHS waiting list 

Let’s see your evidence that it did?

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

As I pointed out above, that report was made under different energy costs.

The energy costs change, the basis of conclusions changes.

 

 Wouldn't the current higher energy prices mean that more people couldn't afford heating .

   Are you standing by Starmers claim that removing the heating allowance would result in 4000 deaths if the Constatives removed the allowance ?

   And that there have been no deaths when Labour removed the same heating  allowance 

[bubblegum]

The main Brexit man will make everybody in Britain very happy, just like before.

[Bkk Brian]

56 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Let’s see your evidence of it having done so.

 The Labour party admitted not conducting a comprehensive impact assessment on the policy's potential consequences. That was handy for them so that there was no up to date assessment since their previous one when they were told up to 4,000 old people may die.

 

Winter fuel cut impact was not assessed, says Starmer

The government did not carry out an impact assessment on cutting winter fuel support for millions of pensioners in England and Wales, the prime minister has said.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce808nyry3do

 

Fear that winter fuel payment cut will cost lives

More pensioners will die because of the decision to withdraw the winter fuel payment, Wales' older people's commissioner has said.

Rhian Bowen-Davies said UK ministers needed to reverse the decision that will see 90% of pensioners between 66 and 79 lose the payment.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62ryyl57vno

[Nick Carter icp]

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

Renters rights Bill currently in process.

 

 

   Sounds good on paper .

But the consequences are that landlords are selling their rental properties because the new rules .

   There are less rental properties available , rental prices have increased When you put the squeeze on landlords, the tenants suffer 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Sounds good on paper .

But the consequences are that landlords are selling their rental properties because the new rules .

   There are less rental properties available , rental prices have increased When you put the squeeze on landlords, the tenants suffer 

 

Something for those Reform UK councils to deal with.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Something for those Reform UK councils to deal with.

 

  Sums it up :

"Labour are doing a splendid job bringing in renting changes" 

*Rents rise significantly*

"Reforms fault for that "

 

[Bannoi]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

My neighbor was upset about this!

Most pensioners have children and even grandchildren who were also upset. The Labour Party made a big mistake that has and will cost them dearly.

[JonnyF]

10 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

Margaret Thatcher - 'Hold my beer!"

I don't neccessarily see this as a win for Reform rather a loss for Labour. The 'party of the people' has gone against the very people who voted for them by withdrawing the winter fuel allowance  from most pensioners and looking to cut the personal independence payments (Pips) for disabled people. On top of this is the continued drama with illegal immigrants which Reform uses as a bedrock of everything it's about. Couple with this with the increase in N.I. and Labour look like the Tories. Starmer isn't popular and is seen as weak and ineffective.

 

Labour came to power with one of the largest parliamentary majorites ever (411 seat out of 650) but have struggled to 'balance the books' and are seen as punishing the very people it was supposed to help. Things need to change and change quickly otherwise these local elections will just be a precursor for a big win in the next general election.  

 

 

Good to see that after several years on the forum you posted something resembling the truth.

 

Labour have betrayed the voters. They are an incompetent version of The Tories. Britain needs change desperately.

[Chomper Higgot]

8 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Sums it up :

"Labour are doing a splendid job bringing in renting changes" 

*Rents rise significantly*

"Reforms fault for that "

 

 

You are getting ahead of yourself again Nick.

 

A Bill currently in process has obviously not had any impact on the cost of rents.

 

While conversely housing will be one of the major issues the newly elected Reform councillors will actually need to address.

 

As I stated earlier, Reform will now have to deliver rather than sniping from the sidelines.

 

One of the things they’ll need to deliver on is housing.

 

 

https://www.gov.uk/understand-how-your-council-works

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

You are getting ahead of yourself again Nick.

 

A Bill currently in process has obviously not had any impact on the cost of rents.

 

While conversely housing will be one of the major issues the newly elected Reform councillors will actually need to address.

 

As I stated earlier, Reform will now have to deliver rather than sniping from the sidelines.

 

One of the things they’ll need to deliver on is housing.

 

 

https://www.gov.uk/understand-how-your-council-works

Yes Reform has a lot to do with all the mess left behind by the failed promises and policies of Labour. 

[Nick Carter icp]

20 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

You are getting ahead of yourself again Nick.

A Bill currently in process has obviously not had any impact on the cost of rents.

While conversely housing will be one of the major issues the newly elected Reform councillors will actually need to address.

As I stated earlier, Reform will now have to deliver rather thansniping from the sidelines.

One of the things they’ll need to deliver on is housing.

https://www.gov.uk/understand-how-your-council-works

 

Labour have previously made changes to landlords and the rental process .

   I was referring to previous changes, rather than current proposed changes 

[JonnyF]

34 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

As I stated earlier, Reform will now have to deliver rather than sniping from the sidelines.

 

Something Labour has failed at spectacularly since the general election.

[Chomper Higgot]

13 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Something Labour has failed at spectacularly since the general election.

Opinions differ.

 

Meanwhile, my observation that Reform will now have to deliver rather than sniping from the sidelines is an observable reality.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Opinions differ.

 

Meanwhile, my observation that Reform will now have to deliver rather than sniping from the sidelines is an observable reality.

The votes are evidence they failed. 😴

[JonnyF]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Opinions differ.

 

As do recollections. Yet the truth remains...

 

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

Meanwhile, my observation that Reform will now have to deliver rather than sniping from the sidelines is an observable reality.

 

Something Labour have failed at spectacularly. 

[newbee2022]

11 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

 

This is a seismic and very welcome shift in the landscape of British politics. The British public are slowly shaking off their usual somnolent, laissez-faire attitude towards politics, and are finally rebelling against the tidal wave of illegal, mostly Islamic immigration.

 

And make no mistake, this is the issue at the root of this rebellion; thousands of undocumented, mostly young muslim men, invading the UK must not just stop, but be reversed, and neither of the two main parties seem willing to do this. Labour haven’t helped their cause with the cancellation of the winter fuel allowance, but the driving force behind this sea-change is unacceptable levels of immigration. 

 

The tide is finally turning; and albeit it late, it will now gain an unstoppable momentum …. yippee.

 

 

Nonsense 

[kickstart]

10 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

Labour came to power with one of the largest parliamentary majorites ever (411 seat out of 650) but have struggled to 'balance the books' and are seen as punishing the very people it was supposed to help. Things need to change and change quickly otherwise these local elections will just be a precursor for a big win in the next general election. 

Before the last election Labour they cut taxes, they will do this and do that, pump millions into the NHS.

But the batteries in the calculator must have been flat, anyone could see they proposals would not just add up, and they claim that the Tories left a 22 billion black hole, they somehow have to fill

Now they are finding out their proposals will not work just no money in the coffers, hence cutting winter fuel payments, increasing NI payments, still not going to work.

Basically the UK does not pay enough tax ,it was Magie T that cut taxes, hoping that all the revenue from North sea oil will make up for the short fall ,but now no North sea oil taxes ,plus other taxes ,the tax rate will have to up  just not enough money coming in ,but that would be political suicide ,at the following general election ,and it would slow UK growth ,so no government will do that just Bodge along putting up other taxes like NI and cutting fuel payments.

It would help if scroungers on the SS system were stopped, that is costing a lot of money it could be done, but the do- gooders would move in saying they need that money ect ,ect.

Looking ahead income taxes will go up, no choice, but would we want the new Tory leader in Number 10 next time, maybe it is better, the devil you know ....,as I said before cannot see it being Farage, well I hope not.

[newbee2022]

1 hour ago, bubblegum said:

like before

When was that? And how he made Britain happy?😳

[newbee2022]

18 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Well, it didn’t take you long to reach for the asinine left wing apologists card, of accusing anyone that criticises Islam as being Islamophobic; a recently made up word, designed with the sole purpose of silencing any criticism of Islam.

 

Do I fear Islam ? absolutely, it terrifies me. Is my fear a phobia, i.e. irrational or unreasonable ? absolutely not, it is based on a very logical, rational, thought process, influenced by the hundreds of attacks on, and murders of, innocent western civilians by muslims; here are just a few that spring to mind:

 

9/11 USA 2,996 dead 25,000 + injured

7/7  London bombs 52 dead 784 injured

2017 London Bridge, 8 killed 48 injured

2017 Barcelona, driver mows down 100 people, 14 dead 130 injured.

2022 Manchester concert bomb, 22 dead 119 injured

2015 Charlie Hebbo 12 dead

2019 London Bridge 2 dead 3 injured

2020 France stabbing and beheading 3 dead

2020 Samuel Paty, French teacher beheaded in the street

2015 Bataclan, Paris 130 dead 350 wounded

2015 Nice, France, truck rampage 86 dead 434 injured

2023 Arras France .. teacher stabbed to death

2016 Rouen France 85 year old priest has throat slit at alter of church

2023 Brussels, 2 Swedish football fans shot dead

2018 Carcassonne France 5 dead 15 injured

2024 Crocus hall Moscow: 140 dead 300 injured

2023 7th October Israel: 1,195 Killed 250 taken hostage.

2025 Feb 13 Munich: Car ramming, 37 injured 2 killed.

 

All these slaughters of innocent western civilians, and there are hundreds more, yes, hundreds, and hundreds more, were carried out by adherents to the faith of Islam; but thankfully not by any of your chums in Whitechapel, so you can happily continue to defend this religo-culture death cult.

 

 

 

 

 

Well, and "the West" attacks the Muslims with bombs not with knives.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

As I stated earlier, Reform will now have to deliver rather than sniping from the sidelines.

 

Indeed, and one of the first things they will do, is to ensure that any council that they are now in control of, will no longer allow, either by negligence, or wilful acceptance, the continued enablement of the muslim rape gangs within that Council’s jurisdiction; this is of fundamental importance to many of the people that have voted for them, although it may probably be beyond both your understanding and acceptance.

 

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

12 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Well, and "the West" attacks the Muslims with bombs not with knives.

 

   Where are the West attacking Muslims with bombs ?

Didn't that all stop years ago ?

[Eloquent pilgrim]

12 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Well, and "the West" attacks the Muslims with bombs not with knives.

 

Thanks for the edification; I hadn’t realised before that the 7/11 Twin Tower attack, and the May 2017 Manchester Arena attack, were carried out with knives; you are indeed a font of knowledgable wisdom. Many thanks.

 

 

 

 

[newbee2022]

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Where are the West attacking Muslims with bombs ?

Didn't that all stop years ago ?

No, it's still ongoing. (Middle East?)

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, newbee2022 said:

No, it's still ongoing. (Middle East?)

 

  Which Countries in the Middle East ?

[newbee2022]

4 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Thanks for the edification; I hadn’t realised before that the 7/11 Twin Tower attack, and the May 2017 Manchester Arena attack, were carried out with knives; you are indeed a font of knowledgable wisdom. Many thanks.

 

 

 

 

Obviously you do have severe problems with reading and understanding.

Try again, and again. Don't give up

[CG1 Blue]

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Perhaps, but I wonder of they know they are aware it’s not just a Muslim problem?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jan/27/scottish-child-abuse-gang-members-jailed-for-between-eight-and-20-years

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/05/twenty-one-convicted-in-west-midlands-child-sexual-abuse-inquiry

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/15/child-sexual-abuse-gangs-white-men-home-office-report

Irrelevant for two reasons. 

 

Firstly, Pakistani Muslim grooming gangs specifically target non-Muslim girls, whites, Hindus, Sikhs. So their's is a hate crime on top of the grooming and rapes etc. That makes it even more revolting. That they feel the indigenous English girls and girls of other religions are worthless and disposable. 

 

Also you forget the population is still (for now) majority white. There are only around 500,000 Pakistani men living in the UK.

 

For a fairer representation you would need to see the ratio of Pakistani Muslim men who are in grooming gangs versus the ratio of white men in grooming gangs. 

 

[johnnybangkok]

14 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

Good to see that after several years on the forum you posted something resembling the truth.

 

Labour have betrayed the voters. They are an incompetent version of The Tories. Britain needs change desperately.

And good to see that after several years on the forum you haven’t changed a bit from your right-wing, myopic approach to politics, summed up completely as “lefties bad!”

Unlike yourself I can change my opinion based on new facts presented and although I  am certainly more left leaning, I can criticise when criticism is merited and hold ALL political parties to account. 
You should try it yourself now and again. 

[Chomper Higgot]

Yet another thread that has descended into Islamophobic hate mongering.

 

Oh well.