BREAKING NEWS American Cardinal Robert Prevost Elected Pope Leo XIV

[Cameroni]

4 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

The support of world leaders? I would hope he will be less inclined to keep silent - and there's not much any of them could do if he spoke out against any in particula

 

Well, that's just it, there's a point of diminishing returns, they know their words cannot do much, but can easily antagonise millions. That's probably why few popes have made strong condemnations of Israel for their Apartheid occupation of Palestine and killling children there.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, Wrwest said:

Am I wrong to think trump will claim the election of an American Pontiff was a direct result of his being the American President?

Or send ICE to pick him up and deport him on the basis of his dual citizenship.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

 

Of course it is possible. Anyone with an ounce of skill as an Orator would be able to do so. 

 

 

He can say what he likes. But if he has any sense he will stay away from politics and avoid expressing any "Progressive" views that contradict his role as head of the Catholic Church. 

You might have a point, its probably not a good idea for a Pope to remind the rightwing christofascists that have control of the GOP of what it is Jesus actually said.

 

 

[JonnyF]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You might have a point, its probably not a good idea for a Pope to remind the rightwing christofascists that have control of the GOP of what it is Jesus actually said.

 

 

 

Rightwing Christofascists?  😃

 

That's funny Chomps. Didn't know you had a sense of humour.  

[Quentin Zen]

i'm a fan of going to see friends on Sunday.  say good things, hear nice things, watch other families grow and act.....smile, more smiling.  leave thinking you have enriched your soul and taught your family good ethics and morals.   

 

but it's not for me.  at all.  i don't want the church a part of my family.   that's my choice.   which is also fine.

 

was forced to do enough growing up.  once I turned 18, only went back one time for a funeral.  

 

 

[Purdey]

Going back a few centuries, the papacy started many wars. Even had its own army. I cannot think of a war any Pope has stopped.

In the modern period, the word I would use to describe the papacy is "ineffectual"

In the 20th century, the papacy was ineffectual in discouraging the German Nazis and the Italian Fascists. Pius XII lobbied world leaders to avoid war but failed. 

 In the Gaza war, the Pope's calls for a ceasefire and hostage release, combined with criticism of Israel, have sparked controversy and zero result. Similarly, his stance on Ukraine sometimes frustrated Catholic leadership there, notably when he appeared reluctant to directly condemn Russian aggression. Ineffectual.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, Purdey said:

Going back a few centuries, the papacy started many wars. Even had its own army. I cannot think of a war any Pope has stopped.

In the modern period, the word I would use to describe the papacy is "ineffectual"

In the 20th century, the papacy was ineffectual in discouraging the German Nazis and the Italian Fascists. Pius XII lobbied world leaders to avoid war but failed. 

 In the Gaza war, the Pope's calls for a ceasefire and hostage release, combined with criticism of Israel, have sparked controversy and zero result. Similarly, his stance on Ukraine sometimes frustrated Catholic leadership there, notably when he appeared reluctant to directly condemn Russian aggression. Ineffectual.

 

Right now you could say much the same thing about the United States.

Maybe there’s some synergy going on behind the scenes.

[Mark Nothing]

If Pope Leo XIV is authentic in his duties, one of the top priorities should be to correct the falling birth rate and fix the decline of the nuclear family structure.

 

The Holy Bible clearly lays out how this should work and we are doing almost the exact opposite.  For example the husband is the leader, the wife is submissive and doesn't waste her prime birthing years getting a useless education and ploughing through the football team in drunken orgies. Essentially making her useless in the future as a potential wife/mother candidate.

 

Also eliminate the partnership between the state and the wife to fleece the husband in divorce court.  The Muslims don't educate women because their prime mission in life is as a mother, not a babyless boss babe.  Notice how our western world is being repopulated by immigrants from muslim countries.

[JAG]

9 minutes ago, Mark Nothing said:

If Pope Leo XIV is authentic in his duties, one of the top priorities should be to correct the falling birth rate and fix the decline of the nuclear family structure.

 

The Holy Bible clearly lays out how this should work and we are doing almost the exact opposite.  For example the husband is the leader, the wife is submissive and doesn't waste her prime birthing years getting a useless education and ploughing through the football team in drunken orgies. Essentially making her useless in the future as a potential wife/mother candidate.

 

Also eliminate the partnership between the state and the wife to fleece the husband in divorce court.  The Muslims don't educate women because their prime mission in life is as a mother, not a babyless boss babe.  Notice how our western world is being repopulated by immigrants from muslim countries.

Oh dear me! Just materialised from 17 Century New England have we?

[RuamRudy]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

 

Yes from your ignorance on the subject I guessed you were not a Catholic.

 

 

Of course I would be critical. Some of us actually have principles. 

 

The Pope should not be political. I thought I made that perfectly clear already...

You have made your opinion clear - that he should not espouse what you consider to be 'progressive' views. In fact you have only writtten about the possibility of him adopting a progressive tone. 

 

Personally ihope that the man has backbone, integrity and courage, and that he speaks out against injustice wherever he sees it. You know, like leaders are supposed to do. 

[RuamRudy]

32 minutes ago, Purdey said:

In the Gaza war, the Pope's calls for a ceasefire and hostage release, combined with criticism of Israel, have sparked controversy and zero result. Similarly, his stance on Ukraine sometimes frustrated Catholic leadership there, notably when he appeared reluctant to directly condemn Russian aggression. Ineffectual

 

Replace pope with potus and the paragraph still stands true. 

[JAG]

9 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

You have made your opinion clear - that he should not espouse what you consider to be 'progressive' views. In fact you have only writtten about the possibility of him adopting a progressive tone. 

 

Personally ihope that the man has backbone, integrity and courage, and that he speaks out against injustice wherever he sees it. You know, like leaders are supposed to do. 

When he does, and his past record suggests he probably will, then the meltdown on US social media, already significant, will be spectacular - truly MAGA!

 

Of course, what many dismiss as "progressive" others (myself included) regard as reflecting the teachings of Christ.

[madone]

Just what we need, an American pope. 

 

[saintdomingo]

3 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

 

His roles include providing moral guidance to his followers and standing up to injustice. I doubt either would be possible without passing political commentary. 

Also teaching strange things about wafers and insisting everybody believe them.

[saintdomingo]

9 minutes ago, JAG said:

Oh dear me! Just materialised from 17 Century New England have we?

Any century Rome seems more likely.

[Jingthing]

3 hours ago, parallelman said:

The Independent says that the new Pope is not a fan of the present US admin.

No decent person is.

[Magictoad]

1 hour ago, shackleton said:

Well the new Pope's name Leo 

Sounds familiar to me here in Thailand 🍺 

An animal?

[bubblegum]

3 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

The Pope will stay out of politics if he has any sense. 

Yes because YOU don't like what he says.

[Jingthing]

Some thoughts.

 

The Catholic church can do what it wants.

 

If you're not Catholic why would you even care much either way?

 

He is not woke Pope.

 

He is more conservative than Francis on social issues such as LGBT, women in the priesthood etc.

 

He is similar to Francis on relating to the poorest and the suffering, the human dignity of migrants and compassion. That fits with the religion.

 

Maga fascists hate that. They're all about cruelty and intolerance.

 

In my view Trump made Pope Leo IV possible. That's because Trump has stepped back from American global leadership to become just another country operating only on self interest.

 

An American Pope wasn't possible politicaly before.

 

He seems overall a decent guy within the context of Catholic dogma.

[proton]

7 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Some thoughts.

 

The Catholic church can do what it wants.

 

If you're not Catholic why would you even care much either way?

 

He is not woke Pope.

 

He is more conservative than Francis on social issues such as LGBT, women in the priesthood etc.

 

He is similar to Francis on relating to the poorest and the suffering, the human dignity of migrants and compassion. That fits with the religion.

 

Maga fascists hate that. They're all about cruelty and intolerance.

 

In my view Trump made Pope Leo IV possible. That's because Trump has stepped back from American global leadership to become just another country operating only on self interest.

 

An American Pope wasn't possible politicaly before.

 

He seems overall a decent guy within the context of Catholic dogma.

 

He kept quiet about children being abused by one of his priests, so not a decent guy at all but a woke Pope.

[Rimmer]

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[JAG]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

He is more conservative than Francis on social issues such as LGBT, women in the priesthood etc.

We must bear in mind that any movement on "social issues" in the Roman church may seem, by modern standards, glacial. They are concerned with souls rather than present day trends. They also, pragmatically, have seen the utter scrambled egg mess that the Church of England/Episcopalian Church has got itself into. 

 

Women ( and yes many outside will sneer) are central to the Church's work and the Faith. Who stayed at the foot of the cross when the disciples hid? Our Lady and Mary Magdalene ( the protypical "woman with a past". Who was the first witness to  Christs resurrection - Mary Magdalene. Nuns do huge work, especially in the developing world. Much of the medical care and education amongst the children of the hill tribes here in Northern Thailand is done by nuns. 

 

Similarly, the Catholic Church under Francis became more open to and accepting of the LGBT community.

 

I am reminded that when Pope John Paul II died, and entered heaven, he met the Almighty. God asked him if he had any questions. Well said John Paul, will the Church have married priests? Probably not in the lifetime of it's current members said God. Will the Church ordain women priests? Again, not in the lifetime it's current members. Will the Church have another Polish Pope? Not in my lifetime said God!

[Ubonian Canadian]

6 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Why would his most sensible option be to remain silent on political matters? 

Because he is from Chicago.

[Anthony mellows]

Feel sorry for all those in South America who had the Catholic religion forced on them centuries ago.

[RayC]

How long before Trump claims that his depiction as Pope swung the election for Prevost?

[Magictoad]

7 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

The Pope will stay out of politics if he has any sense. 

The pope is the epitome of politics. He invented politics when the Catholic Church was the most powerful institution in the world.

[Cameroni]

Let's hope he comes out strongly against the brutal occupation of Palestinians and Israel's killing of children in Palestine.

[Magictoad]

5 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Well, that's just it, there's a point of diminishing returns, they know their words cannot do much, but can easily antagonise millions. That's probably why few popes have made strong condemnations of Israel for their Apartheid occupation of Palestine and killling children there.

Or perhaps they don't hold that bigoted, anti semitic, twisted view. Only a few extremists believe that nonesense anyway- these days only extreme leftoids sucked in by Hamas & Hezbollah propaganda. What a sad disgrace. That in the 80 years anniversary of the liberation of Bergen Belsen people like you choose to side with with those of nazi mentality who revel in the death of Jewish people. But this forum allows many extremists on including anti vaxers.

[Cameroni]

1 minute ago, Magictoad said:

Or perhaps they don't hold that bigoted, anti semitic, twisted view. Only a few extremists believe that nonesense anyway- these days only extreme leftoids sucked in by Hamas & Hezbollah propaganda. What a sad disgrace. That in the 80 years anniversary of the liberation of Bergen Belsen people like you choose to side with with those of nazi mentality who revel in the death of Jewish people. But this forum allows many extremists on including anti vaxers.

 

Of course, how could one not side with the oppressed, whose land is stolen mercilessly. When given the choice between a government that has murdering children as official state policy and the victims of landtheft, only a heartless monster or a moron would opt for the childkillers.

[Magictoad]

5 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Let's hope he comes out strongly against the brutal occupation of Palestinians and Israel's killing of children 

Let's hope he comes out strongly against the brutal kidnapping & rape  of Jews and the killing of their children by palestinians, Hamas & Hezbollah.