One Big Beautiful Bill? More Like One Big Bloody Oversized Stich-Up, Bruv

[save the frogs]

11 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Yeah relying on "information" from Fox and direct white house sources is the US equivalent of a Russian relying on Kremlin propaganda and state tv. Not credible in the slightest.

 

Yeah, your sources are credible.

Lewie London is turning into a credible source for you folks. 

What a joke.

 

[candide]

Didn't Trump promise to reduce the debt burden? 😆

 

"The package would cut taxes deeply – essentially making permanent the sweeping individual income tax provisions of Trump’s 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, as well as adding several temporary tax breaks to fulfill the president’s campaign promises.

 

It also calls for historic cuts to the nation’s safety net – particularly Medicaid and food stamps – in an effort to cut spending.

 

But the tax revenue loss would still swamp the spending reductions. The package would add $3.3 trillion to the nation’s debt over the next decade, according to a preliminary estimate from the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget.

 

Annual deficits would jump from $1.8 trillion in 2024 to $2.9 trillion by 2034 as the federal government would continue to spend more than it would raise in revenue, the committee projected."

 

The United States just lost its last perfect credit rating

https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/16/business/moody-us-credit

[Jingthing]

24 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

Yeah, your sources are credible.

Lewie London is turning into a credible source for you folks. 

What a joke.

 

Do your own research as the maga types love to say (but don't except to feed their conspiracy theories) and you will find there are much more objective sources of information.

[BLMFem]

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

 

But who really lies more?

The president or the media poisoning people's minds with all sorts of nonsense? 

 

Trump.

That was easy, next question please.

[BLMFem]

8 hours ago, flexomike said:

 

 

Wow, that's so original. You must be really smart.

[BLMFem]

35 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

I just came across this web site which reinforces the idea that Trump wants to cut Medicaid.

And they have another really poignant article here entitled "Republicans Want You to Die". 

 

So these folks are not only telling you Trump will cut Medicaid, but that he flat out wants people to die. 

https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/republicans-want-you-to-die

 

I truly surrender. And this time I mean it. I am no longer posting in any more Trump threads.

There are an army of media people out there making all sorts of claims. 

Who knows what people are filling their minds with?

Believe whatever you want.

It's way too much work to debate with people.

 

Maybe Trump will cut Medicaid and does want you to die. What do I know? 

 

I officially SURRENDER. 

 

 

Aw, c'mon, like you can stay away from "Lewie London's" addictive threads!

[StandardIssue]

9 hours ago, gargamon said:

MAGA is imploding.

 

The big beautiful bill has been blocked by House GOP.

 

Supreme Court blocks Trump from restarting Alien Enemies Act deportations.

 

More to follow. Supreme court to rule on birthright citizenship and nationwide injunctions by a district court judge. Expect major losses for MAGA.

 

 

 

What's sad is most MAGA folks don't recongize MAGA is the propaganda front for GOP and their upper crust elites and uber rich to grab more money, power and control.

Meanwhile Fox News is doing there magical crazy spin on all this (or just down right directing attention away) from the rip-off job being put over on the middle and lower classes of the USA.

 

Destroy Education  (don't like educated folks because they think for themselves and resist power grabs)

Keep them divided - Fox News and right-wing media making liberals (who are in favor of equity to all people) into demons and telling everyone to not listen (because of course this doesn't match GOP agenda of making the uber rich richer)

 

I could go on but one of the greatest intellectuals around, Noam Chomsky, is well recognized as spelling out  all this right-wing political  behavior and it's very detrimental effects on the lower and middle classes.

 

 

[GanDoonToonPet]

16 hours ago, Lewie London said:

Trump reckons he’s gonna scrap taxes on overtime, tips, and Social Security.

 

For the workers

 

16 hours ago, Lewie London said:

he’s payin’ for all that by gutting Medicaid and food stamps

 

For the shirkers

 

16 hours ago, Lewie London said:

They’re slashin’ Medicaid by nearly 900 billion quid, lads. That’s not a budget cut, that’s a Mexican Necktie

 

Quite an achievement. Even if you take that as US$, isn't that around 150% of current federal funding for Medicaid? 🤔

[Fat is a type of crazy]

9 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Oh no, not another post for the bedwetting lefties and the crybaby democrats, who it transpires only like democracy when it produces a result they like …. give it a rest.

 

 

But they accept the result of the election .. unlike you cry babies on the right

[Fat is a type of crazy]

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

 

I just came across this web site which reinforces the idea that Trump wants to cut Medicaid.

And they have another really poignant article here entitled "Republicans Want You to Die". 

 

So these folks are not only telling you Trump will cut Medicaid, but that he flat out wants people to die. 

https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/republicans-want-you-to-die

 

I truly surrender. And this time I mean it. I am no longer posting in any more Trump threads.

There are an army of media people out there making all sorts of claims. 

Who knows what people are filling their minds with?

Believe whatever you want.

It's way too much work to debate with people.

 

Maybe Trump will cut Medicaid and does want you to die. What do I know? 

 

I officially SURRENDER. 

I'll believe it when I see it. But you don't have to get too excited - this is pretty clear cut - even avid Trump supporting Republicans are against this such as Josh Hawley due mainly to the cuts to Medicaid. 

[save the frogs]

11 hours ago, BLMFem said:

Aw, c'mon, like you can stay away from "Lewie London's" addictive threads!

I'll admit Lewie might be one of the "colorful" personalities in pattaya.

[save the frogs]

12 hours ago, StandardIssue said:

I could go on but one of the greatest intellectuals around, Noam Chomsky,

 

Noam Chomsky is maybe one of the greatest intellectual CON ARTISTS ever. I'll give him that.

This is an excerpt:

 

Wow, the vile masters of mankind's motto: All for ourselves and nothing for other people. 

 

Nothing. So you have nothing? Really? Absolutely nothing? You aren't typing on AN with a 1000$ Iphone / computer in your pocket? Most people have enough CRAP. Take a look at when people have garage sales. It's ridiculous how much crap people hoard throughout their lives, never using most of it. 

 

This video maybe has some facts in there, but mixed with nonsensical exaggerations and doom and gloom, complete with the eerie music in the background. 

 

 

 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

1 hour ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

But they accept the result of the election

 

Satire is always appreciated; many thanks

 

 

[StandardIssue]

8 hours ago, save the frogs said:

 

Noam Chomsky is maybe one of the greatest intellectual CON ARTISTS ever. I'll give him that.

This is an excerpt:

 

Wow, the vile masters of mankind's motto: All for ourselves and nothing for other people. 

 

Nothing. So you have nothing? Really? Absolutely nothing? You aren't typing on AN with a 1000$ Iphone / computer in your pocket? Most people have enough CRAP. Take a look at when people have garage sales. It's ridiculous how much crap people hoard throughout their lives, never using most of it. 

 

This video maybe has some facts in there, but mixed with nonsensical exaggerations and doom and gloom, complete with the eerie music in the background. 

 

 

 

 

You're writing Hyperbole. Have you watched the entire documentary? Or did you just Google around to find some people who are bashing Chomsky and then post this meme pic?

 

How is Chomsky a con artist? Who is he trying to con and for what?

 

Do you know what a Maxim is? If you did you would see the preceding phrase in a much different light.

[save the frogs]

16 hours ago, StandardIssue said:

How is Chomsky a con artist? Who is he trying to con and for what?

 

For what I don't know.

 

I just gave you an example .... he's claiming the "masters of mankind" want "all for ourselves, and nothing for other people". 

This is fear-mongering and a false caricature of the elites. 

Many people in the US actually are self-made millionaires. And many people can earn good wages if they apply themselves. 

The elites do keep the lion's share for themselves, true. It's been that way since the beginning of time. But it doesn't mean there's no hope to have a decent life for anyone else. 

 

 

 

[StandardIssue]

13 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

For what I don't know.

 

I just gave you an example .... he's claiming the "masters of mankind" want "all for ourselves, and nothing for other people". 

This is fear-mongering and a false caricature of the elites. 

Many people in the US actually are self-made millionaires. And many people can earn good wages if they apply themselves. 

The elites do keep the lion's share for themselves, true. It's been that way since the beginning of time. But it doesn't mean there's no hope to have a decent life for anyone else. 

 

 

 

You've already lost credibility with me. You write fairly inteligently but not being able to answer why you call him a con artist just tells me you are making some kind of unfounded judgement against a very very famous and noted Professor from one of the most prestigious universities in the world. MIT

 

You've either not read what I've written or just don't understand it. You choose to focus in on this one "masters of mankind" term and then make a conclusion that he's fear mongering. All you've done is convince me you don't really comprehend the body of his work or many his very well established concepts and their relation to the latest trends in society (for instance the separation of the classes).

Sorry friend, do yourself a favor, study the work. Don't just focus on one meme you found to support what you would like to be true about Chomsky.

[StandardIssue]

34 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

For what I don't know.

 

I just gave you an example .... he's claiming the "masters of mankind" want "all for ourselves, and nothing for other people". 

This is fear-mongering and a false caricature of the elites. 

Many people in the US actually are self-made millionaires. And many people can earn good wages if they apply themselves. 

The elites do keep the lion's share for themselves, true. It's been that way since the beginning of time. But it doesn't mean there's no hope to have a decent life for anyone else. 

 

 

 

BTW, there is a big difference between a self made millionaire and the "elites' that Chomsky refers too. Elites are in the triple digit Millionaire and Billionaire class these days.

 

I'm a self made millionaire. That really isn't saying much these days. Self made millionaires are NOT the elites he is referring to. He's talking about REAL money 100's of Millions of dollars etc.

They have power to influence legislation, media, legal proceedings, hire expensive lawyers, buy political influence and on and one.

 

I, a self made millionaire cannot do these things. I don't have REAL money in today's terms.

[save the frogs]

11 hours ago, StandardIssue said:

I'm a self made millionaire. That really isn't saying much these days. Self made millionaires are NOT the elites he is referring to. He's talking about REAL money 100's of Millions of dollars etc.

They have power to influence legislation, media, legal proceedings, hire expensive lawyers, buy political influence and on and one.

 

My point is he said "all for ourselves, and nothing for other people".

Most people have a roof over their head, a car, a 72 inch screen, access to entertainment, ability to travel, etc...

So you don't see that he's exaggerating

 

Here he is again making nonsensical claims. Barbarism. That's a fancy word they teach you at MIT. Be afraid. 

 

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/01/chomsky-warns-con-man-trump-will-drag-civilization-down-to-the-utter-depths-of-barbarism/

Chomsky warns 'con man' Trump will drag civilization down to the 'utter depths of barbarism'

 

 

[mikebell]

16 hours ago, BLMFem said:

Aw, c'mon, like you can stay away from "Lewie London's" addictive threads!

I've only read two of Lewie's threads and loved both.  You can appreciate the style and humour without necessarily agreeing with the sentiments expressed.

[save the frogs]

17 hours ago, StandardIssue said:

Who is he trying to con and for what?

 

Maybe they are deliberately trying to divide the country. Some people predict the US will break up into different countries.

 

Maybe intellectuals like Chomsky are being used for this agenda. Notice how the article below uses the phrase "forces in media". And maybe even Trump is being used for this agenda as he is dividing the country more than anyone.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/07/04/politics/american-political-divisions-july-fourth

Why the US ‘does not get to assume that it lasts forever’

But he acknowledges there’s no assurance this patient nurturing of civic connection can overcome all the forces in politics, the media and communications technology blowing toward separation.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

On 5/16/2025 at 11:02 PM, Lewie London said:

But don’t worry mate, your tips are tax free now. Assuming you’ve still got a job. Or a stomach. Or teeth.

 

The Bill, which was voted down doesn’t remove taxes on tips, overtime or social security.

 

It does increase the debt ceiling by $5Trillion.

 

It’s been voted down because the cuts to social programs don’t go far enough.

 

The tax cuts to the hyper wealthy must be paid for by the poor.

 

 

 

 

[Lacessit]

I'm just wondering how many of Trump's campaign promises have been broken by the Big Beautiful Bill.

 

BOHICA.

[ThreeCardMonte]

On 5/17/2025 at 6:38 AM, save the frogs said:

I don't know much about it ... so I have to look it up.

 

Is it possible our mate Lewie is misrepresenting this bill to suit his own bias and twisted agenda?

 

Here is what it says on the govt page:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/05/one-big-beautiful-bill-is-a-once-in-a-generation-chance/

 

1 - It's the largest tax cut ever 

Americans earning between $30,000 and $80,000 will pay around 15% less in taxes

 

2 - It kicks illegal immigrants off taxpayer-funded Medicaid benefits. This bill eliminates waste, fraud, and abuse by ending benefits for at least 1.4 million illegal immigrants who are gaming the system.

 

3 - It prohibits Medicaid funding for gender transition procedures for minors.

 

 

3  good proposals.

 

Translated by the leftists into:

 

Trump hates the poor.  Loves the rich.

 

Illegal Aliens are not receiving due process.  U.S. citizens are being deported.

 

Trump is cutting all Medicaid.  Grandma will be pushed off a cliff in her wheelchair.  Trump is just homophobic

 

Fixed it for the leftists.

[ThreeCardMonte]

13 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I'm just wondering how many of Trump's campaign promises have been broken by the Big Beautiful Bill.

 

BOHICA.

None.

 

 

[EVENKEEL]

16 hours ago, save the frogs said:

I'll admit Lewie might be one of the "colorful" personalities in pattaya.

Bob was pattaya, Lewie was last seen in Chang Mai with Rupert.

[ThreeCardMonte]

44 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The Bill, which was voted down doesn’t remove taxes on tips, overtime or social security.

 

It does increase the debt ceiling by $5Trillion.

 

It’s been voted down because the cuts to social programs don’t go far enough.

 

The tax cuts to the hyper wealthy must be paid for by the poor.

 

 

 

 

Leftits interpretation does not prove accuracy.

 

“The best social program is a job”.  Ronald Reagan

 

[save the frogs]

11 hours ago, Lacessit said:

I'm just wondering how many of Trump's campaign promises have been broken by the Big Beautiful Bill.

 

BOHICA.

 

Why don't you do the research and let us know?

Dig up the facts because we only deal in facts on AN. 

Or better yet ... why not take a few days off from Trump threads and go play some golf? 

 

[save the frogs]

11 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Bob was pattaya, Lewie was last seen in Chang Mai with Rupert.

So Bob and Lewie are twins separated at birth?

And both ended up in Thailand? What are the odds? 

 

[ThreeCardMonte]

12 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

Why don't you do the research and let us know?

Dig up the facts because we only deal in facts on AN. 

Or better yet ... why not take a few days off from Trump threads and go play some golf? 

 

Maybe he can play golf with Trump.  
 

He can come back and say Trump cheated him.