Fun Quiz > Covid-19 mRNA Vax harm denial - At which stage are you?

[dinsdale]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

Again, you have nothing, completely dismiss what I posted because it has shown you to be a little off course........🤭

But you are good fun for the laughs........

You never post anything other than tripe. No cited articles and no counterarguments of any substance, simply ad hominem, insults and puerile comments complete with the obligatory negative emojis. Quite frankly in all these years I can't remember an example where you've actually directly answered a poster's question. In actual fact you contribute nothing of any substantive nature to any discussion.

[Gottfrid]

On 6/5/2025 at 8:38 AM, Red Phoenix said:

 

The 15 stages of mRNA denial (first 10 from the Dossier)

1) It's the cure!

2) It's not the cure but it prevents you from getting it and spreading it to others

3) It doesn't prevent you from getting it but it prevents you from getting sick

4) It doesn't prevent you from getting sick but it prevents you from getting REALLY sick

5) It doesn't prevent you from getting REALLY sick but it prevents you from dying

6) It doesn't prevent you from dying but it prevents most people from dying

7) Hey, it's still a net benefit! Trust the institutions!

😎 Okay, well at least it doesn't actively harm people! Roll up your sleeve for the updated shot

9) Okay, well at least it doesn't harm THAT many people! Sorry, I’m, uh, busy, and not rolling up my sleeve anymore

10) Okay, it's poison, and it doesn’t actually do anything beneficial whatsoever. There are no benefits, only costs. The cure is so much worse than the disease. We got bamboozled every step of the way

11) It's poison but it only kills a few people, and everybody I know is ok

12) Well, I know a few people that were killed or maimed but it's pretty much all over now

13) Ok, more and more people are dying, but it will stop when these greedy pharma companies are reined in

14) It's true that the military has orchestrated the whole thing but its only because they want to better prepare us for an era of biological warfare

15) Its really a transnational deep state that fears the 99% so much that they have set out to kill all 99%

 

Source: Repost of YetAnotherTommy's comment on Michel Chossudovsky's excellent substack article "Both the Lockdown and the “Vaccine” Have No Scientific Basis"

> https://michelchossudovsky.substack.com/p/both-the-lockdown-and-the-vaccine

 

No, it´s not a fun quiz. The only thing this here is very sad, and that´s your obsession.

[transam]

3 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

You never post anything other than tripe. No cited articles and no counterarguments of any substance, simply ad hominem, insults and puerile comments complete with the obligatory negative emojis. Quite frankly in all these years I can't remember an example where you've actually directly answered a poster's question. In actual fact you contribute nothing of any substantive nature to any discussion.

So you still have nothing remotely on topic to say, it is a bit monotonous continually reading your narcistic put downs, but I can only hope it wasn't all those doses of covid that has made you this way..🥺

[Red Phoenix]

7 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Do you think you 'could' come across any evidence that makes you reconsider your take on vaccines, or would your bias automatically debunk and such information as fake, false, not reviewed, politically motivated, influenced by big-Pharma etc... 

i.e. Do you really believe that you could be open minded enough to accept that vaccines have saved lives, ever ?

Yes, I am more than open minded enough to consider that some vaccines might have saved lives (or rather on the whole have a positive benefit/harm ratio).  But the 'bias' to overcome would not primarily be the factors that you mention, but rather whether that new puzzle-piece of truth could be integrated in my total world-view and whether it would not be at odds with other more fundamental pieces of the puzzle.  As everything is inter-connected, it might have major implications for how I look at the world as a coherent whole and the role of man in that picture.

[Magictoad]

Bored

[richard_smith237]

Just now, Stiddle Mump said:

The Doctor has spent years researching the medical papers for 150 yeas. Can he not be given credit for that in your eyes. His book 'Can You Catch a Cold' report on those experiments. Well worth a read Richard. Interesting findings.

 

I do have genuine respect for anyone capable of assimilating vast amounts of data and drawing accurate conclusions.

However, from a medical standpoint, he remains unqualified, lacking the necessary training to make authoritative judgements in this field - particularly when he dismisses vaccines in favour of “terrain optimisation.”

 

As I’ve pointed out, “terrain optimisation” (or terrain theory) holds validity but represents only a partial protective strategy - one that medical intervention can and should complement.

 

Terrain theory does not negate virological science; rather, it enhances it. Our bodies can indeed combat illnesses, viruses, and diseases more effectively when our internal “terrain” is robust. Yet, the insistence that “nature alone holds all the answers” is fundamentally flawed and potentially deadly if people blindly rely on it to the exclusion of proven medical treatments....

... thus when you write "Nature has the answers we seek"  I think its idiotic - "Nature holds the key to some of the answers" for sure...   not all of them...  

 

A truly effective approach combines maintaining bodily health with appropriate medical care. Neglecting one in favour of the other leads to imbalance: an exclusively medical approach risks fostering over-reliance on interventions and fuels anti-vaccine sentiment, while a solely “terrain-based” approach that rejects the benefits of medicine and vaccines can have fatal consequences.

 

Just now, Stiddle Mump said:

As for qualifications; give me an honest researcher any day over a fraudulent doctor.

 

This seems to imply all Doctors are fraudulent and all researchers are honest - it a response loaded with bias and lacks a base intelligence worthy of responding to....

 

... How about 'an honest Doctor carrying out honest research'...     the issue, when the research they publish contradicts your rhetoric - you call them dishonest...

 

 

 

[tgw]

2 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

the role of man

 

There is your problem.

Mankind is the measure of all things. 

If you think different, you have a problem  with being a member of mankind.

[Stiddle Mump]

18 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Do you think you 'could' come across any evidence that makes you reconsider your take on vaccines, or would your bias automatically debunk and such information as fake, false, not reviewed, politically motivated, influenced by big-Pharma etc..

Let's see some genuine scientific experiments that isolate and purify a virus. (Any virus) Let's have independent observers. Control experiments to run along side. Then!!! If the virus can be isolated, let's see if it can infect an animal or human in a natural way. (rather than injecting into a brain) There are other 'Gold Standard steps to follow.

 

Now! Let's go back to the 1950s. Who said they did these experiments? Dr Enders. (nobel prize winner) He also had a control running alongside. In the result precis, he reported that the control yielded the same result as the one with the 'virus'.

 

Of course having the two petri dishes giving the same result would not be of financial benefit. So not generally reported on. And since then, controls are carried not out by the so-called virologists. Why is that? Because it is the procedure that causes the result.

 

 

[Stiddle Mump]

15 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

I do have genuine respect for anyone capable of assimilating vast amounts of data and drawing accurate conclusions.

However, from a medical standpoint, he remains unqualified, lacking the necessary training to make authoritative judgements in this field - particularly when he dismisses vaccines in favour of “terrain optimisation.”

Dr Roytas put the findings into a book; 'Can You Catch a Cold?'. The experiments are there for all to see.

 

His data has been analysed and as yet stands strong. It cannot be refuted.

[rattlesnake]

8 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Freedy, I get it now. 

You are one of the unlucky ones, you chose the wrong parents, receiving poor DNA.

You are in pain daily, this is why you are constantly nagging me, disagreeing with my every comment. 

 

Take care mate. 

 

Oh yeah, thanks for the thumbs down, I enjoy receiving them 👍

 

 

How does one choose the wrong parents?

 

Blaming ailments on genes is perhaps the most cynical and cruel principle the pharmaceutical industry has come up with. "I have cancer because I have bad genes", i.e. it's my fault. At no point is it suggested or considered that cancer is caused by poisoning and chronic inflammation.

[rattlesnake]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Censorship is far more dangerous than the chaos of free speech. The true challenge with free speech is that it carries the responsibility of accuracy - and the willingness to be questioned.

 

That’s why, even as I vehemently oppose the views of the likes of RedPhoenix, StiddleMump, and RattleSnake, I fully support their right to speak - as long as my equal right to respond with sharp critique and ridicule is respected.

 

These threads belong in the “off the beaten path” forum, an appropriate place for such fringe debates.

 

While I consider this topic utter lunacy, discussions around the origins of SARS-CoV-2 have appeared here and in related threads - and those conversations must also be allowed.

 

I’m not one to decide what’s acceptable and what isn’t; everyone should have the freedom to discuss anything - and the freedom to respond as they see fit.

 

My weakness? I have almost zero tolerance for fools, and I make no apologies for it. Inevitably, I get dragged into these debates, reluctantly giving oxygen to a level of idiocy that, by better judgment, should be left to suffocate in the anoxic depths of bottom-feeding rot—where such nonsense truly belongs, in my humble opinion.

 

(apologies Red if the swollen prose is too 'bot-like' for you !!!!)

 

 

 

 

 

What is your take on this peer-reviewed study published last month in Immunity, Inflammation and Disease, according to which young adults who received a Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine showed elevated spike protein production a year or more after vaccination (which is significantly longer than the spike protein is said and expected to remain in the body)?

 

Participants exhibited elevated levels of multiple proinflammatory cytokines – the proteins which help regulate the immune system – signifying a persistent immune response to the messenger RNA.

 

Altered Circulating Cytokine Profile Among mRNA-Vaccinated Young Adults: A Year-Long Follow-Up Study

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/iid3.70194

 

 

[dinsdale]

8 minutes ago, transam said:

So you still have nothing remotely on topic to say, it is a bit monotonous continually reading your narcistic put downs, but I can only hope it wasn't all those doses of covid that has made you this way..🥺

Your contribution to the topic of people still denying that the Covid mRNA jabs are harmful.

That is so funny, superior genes...............🤣

I think It's time you showed us your medical/scientific qualifications...............🤥

 

Of course, you would say that, as you also know nothing, slag of Covid help stuff and get it 8 times..............😂

Which is sooooooooooooo funny............

Yes, you in particular..........🤔

 

So dangerous you caught it 8 times and are here to tell the tale, the same as zillions of others...

 

Plus, with all the different vaccines I have had from birth, tried and tested ones, folk have died from every one.

 

Strange that eh, but the OP has a fixation with Covid jabs, that have saved millions of lives.....😏

Would rather hear it from the horse's mouth, especially if you were on Ivermectin, or is it Ivercovid cure....🤭

 

The troll card, how disappointing, can't handle others views, eh........I think you are a fraud....🤕

 

And my username is transam.......

Did you forget to type, probably all those bouts of covid you had is now taking its toll, eh..........🤭

Nothing stops you from getting Covid.............

Spot on chap..........

Spot on chap...............

............Now come on, where did you get that from, not Ukrainian prisoners in your Russia.............😂

I don't know, I hope you are safe.............😧

Keep trying, or better still, take up model aeroplane making, or stamp collecting.......🤭

Dunno, tell us, from a non-dodgy source like the OP.............

Yes, you could take up what ever that is and become a Transman, well done, better that harping on about Covid year after year with your twin Blue Sphinx....Eh.....

You're nuts.............🤪

Indeed....I recall on another forum a bloke was removed for spouting the same sort of cr@p, it turned out he was a member of an anti-vax 'cult', something like that..........

Eh.........?  

I think you now know you have been found out..........🤔

 

These people actually cause death because of people being taken in by them..

The OP is dangerous.........🤔

No, your post was nonsense...............🙄

Eh, what are you on about now............. 

You making up stories again..........?

 

Now let me tell you a story, which I quite like, because of your stance, you have had Covid at least 8 times..........😂

 

And you're telling us not to do this, not to do that..........😂

 

Now come on, you must see the funny side............🤭

You are a danger to others, think about that.......🤔

Again, you have nothing, completely dismiss what I posted because it has shown you to be a little off course........🤭

But you are good fun for the laughs........

So you still have nothing remotely on topic to say, it is a bit monotonous continually reading your narcistic put downs, but I can only hope it wasn't all those doses of covid that has made you this way..🥺

 

Not once have you addressed the actual OP, provided any information, linked a source or answered a question. This pretty much is an example of every thread you ever make "comments" in. As I said you contribute nothing.

 

[rattlesnake]

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

Your contribution to the topic of people still denying that the Covid mRNA jabs are harmful.

That is so funny, superior genes...............🤣

I think It's time you showed us your medical/scientific qualifications...............🤥

 

Of course, you would say that, as you also know nothing, slag of Covid help stuff and get it 8 times..............😂

Which is sooooooooooooo funny............

Yes, you in particular..........🤔

 

So dangerous you caught it 8 times and are here to tell the tale, the same as zillions of others...

 

Plus, with all the different vaccines I have had from birth, tried and tested ones, folk have died from every one.

 

Strange that eh, but the OP has a fixation with Covid jabs, that have saved millions of lives.....😏

Would rather hear it from the horse's mouth, especially if you were on Ivermectin, or is it Ivercovid cure....🤭

 

The troll card, how disappointing, can't handle others views, eh........I think you are a fraud....🤕

 

And my username is transam.......

Did you forget to type, probably all those bouts of covid you had is now taking its toll, eh..........🤭

Nothing stops you from getting Covid.............

Spot on chap..........

Spot on chap...............

............Now come on, where did you get that from, not Ukrainian prisoners in your Russia.............😂

I don't know, I hope you are safe.............😧

Keep trying, or better still, take up model aeroplane making, or stamp collecting.......🤭

Dunno, tell us, from a non-dodgy source like the OP.............

Yes, you could take up what ever that is and become a Transman, well done, better that harping on about Covid year after year with your twin Blue Sphinx....Eh.....

You're nuts.............🤪

Indeed....I recall on another forum a bloke was removed for spouting the same sort of cr@p, it turned out he was a member of an anti-vax 'cult', something like that..........

Eh.........?  

I think you now know you have been found out..........🤔

 

These people actually cause death because of people being taken in by them..

The OP is dangerous.........🤔

No, your post was nonsense...............🙄

Eh, what are you on about now............. 

You making up stories again..........?

 

Now let me tell you a story, which I quite like, because of your stance, you have had Covid at least 8 times..........😂

 

And you're telling us not to do this, not to do that..........😂

 

Now come on, you must see the funny side............🤭

You are a danger to others, think about that.......🤔

Again, you have nothing, completely dismiss what I posted because it has shown you to be a little off course........🤭

But you are good fun for the laughs........

So you still have nothing remotely on topic to say, it is a bit monotonous continually reading your narcistic put downs, but I can only hope it wasn't all those doses of covid that has made you this way..🥺

 

Not once have you addressed the actual OP, provided any information, linked a source or answered a question. This pretty much is an example of every thread you ever make "comments" in. As I said you contribute nothing.

 

 

 

 

That was very funny 

[fredwiggy]

6 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Your contribution to the topic of people still denying that the Covid mRNA jabs are harmful.

That is so funny, superior genes...............🤣

I think It's time you showed us your medical/scientific qualifications...............🤥

 

Of course, you would say that, as you also know nothing, slag of Covid help stuff and get it 8 times..............😂

Which is sooooooooooooo funny............

Yes, you in particular..........🤔

 

So dangerous you caught it 8 times and are here to tell the tale, the same as zillions of others...

 

Plus, with all the different vaccines I have had from birth, tried and tested ones, folk have died from every one.

 

Strange that eh, but the OP has a fixation with Covid jabs, that have saved millions of lives.....😏

Would rather hear it from the horse's mouth, especially if you were on Ivermectin, or is it Ivercovid cure....🤭

 

The troll card, how disappointing, can't handle others views, eh........I think you are a fraud....🤕

 

And my username is transam.......

Did you forget to type, probably all those bouts of covid you had is now taking its toll, eh..........🤭

Nothing stops you from getting Covid.............

Spot on chap..........

Spot on chap...............

............Now come on, where did you get that from, not Ukrainian prisoners in your Russia.............😂

I don't know, I hope you are safe.............😧

Keep trying, or better still, take up model aeroplane making, or stamp collecting.......🤭

Dunno, tell us, from a non-dodgy source like the OP.............

Yes, you could take up what ever that is and become a Transman, well done, better that harping on about Covid year after year with your twin Blue Sphinx....Eh.....

You're nuts.............🤪

Indeed....I recall on another forum a bloke was removed for spouting the same sort of cr@p, it turned out he was a member of an anti-vax 'cult', something like that..........

Eh.........?  

I think you now know you have been found out..........🤔

 

These people actually cause death because of people being taken in by them..

The OP is dangerous.........🤔

No, your post was nonsense...............🙄

Eh, what are you on about now............. 

You making up stories again..........?

 

Now let me tell you a story, which I quite like, because of your stance, you have had Covid at least 8 times..........😂

 

And you're telling us not to do this, not to do that..........😂

 

Now come on, you must see the funny side............🤭

You are a danger to others, think about that.......🤔

Again, you have nothing, completely dismiss what I posted because it has shown you to be a little off course........🤭

But you are good fun for the laughs........

So you still have nothing remotely on topic to say, it is a bit monotonous continually reading your narcistic put downs, but I can only hope it wasn't all those doses of covid that has made you this way..🥺

 

Not once have you addressed the actual OP, provided any information, linked a source or answered a question. This pretty much is an example of every thread you ever make "comments" in. As I said you contribute nothing.

 

 

 

And I thought you took a break for dinner.

[fredwiggy]

17 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

How does one choose the wrong parents?

 

Blaming ailments on genes is perhaps the most cynical and cruel principle the pharmaceutical industry has come up with. "I have cancer because I have bad genes", i.e. it's my fault. At no point is it suggested or considered that cancer is caused by poisoning and chronic inflammation.

This is from the cancer institute, who I'm thinking have done quite a bit of research on cancer...............https://www.cancercenter.com/community/blog/2023/12/does-inflammation-cause-cancer

[SAFETY FIRST]

21 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

"I have cancer because I have bad genes", i.e. it's my fault

Why are you bothering me?

 

Yes, if you abuse your body, eat the wrong food, don't exercise etc. yes your fault 

[dinsdale]

2 minutes ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Why are you bothering me?

 

Yes, if you abuse your body, eat the wrong food, don't exercise etc. yes your fault 

What about infant cancers? Anyone's "fault"?

[rattlesnake]

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

This is from the cancer institute, who I'm thinking have done quite a bit of research on cancer...............https://www.cancercenter.com/community/blog/2023/12/does-inflammation-cause-cancer

 

Indeed, but when the "bad genes" trope is brought up, it typically prevails. I've seen it in a few cases over time – for exmple, a guy I know, in his late 40s, got stomach cancer a couple of years ago and the main takeaway among the community was "he has a favourable terrain", "it's in his family", etc. Other factors, such as a certain controversial medical intervention which he was influenced into accepting the year before his diagnosis, are not even in the "potential cause" zone.

[rattlesnake]

6 minutes ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Why are you bothering me?

 

You mean "why are you asking me a question?". Because this is a public forum, the essential function of which is to enable and promote interaction between different parties.

[fredwiggy]

6 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

What about infant cancers? Anyone's "fault"?

Genetics plays a big role in that, as does how the mother took care of herself before and during the pregnancy. It's one thing that pisses me off in this world. Some do everything right and die young, and some do most everything wrong and live to 100. Of course the blue zone lifestyle has more people living longer, and what they do makes sense. 

[SAFETY FIRST]

20 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

What about infant cancers? Anyone's "fault"?

Oh, so you are blaming mRNA vaccines on infant cancers. 

 

[richard_smith237]

20 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

What is your take on this peer-reviewed study published last month in Immunity, Inflammation and Disease, according to which young adults who received a Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine showed elevated spike protein production a year or more after vaccination (which is significantly longer than the spike protein is said and expected to remain in the body)?

 

Participants exhibited elevated levels of multiple proinflammatory cytokines – the proteins which help regulate the immune system – signifying a persistent immune response to the messenger RNA.

 

Altered Circulating Cytokine Profile Among mRNA-Vaccinated Young Adults: A Year-Long Follow-Up Study

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/iid3.70194

 

 

 

My response for now: I'm very interested in it and would like to read a lot more before I respond in detail (which wont be tonight as I'm heading out for dinner)... But, I'd like certainly like to dig a little deeper into this, learn more and be able to respond from an informed position.

 

 

But... my initial take after a quick scan of the study: 

A small number of test subjects (84) from Saudi.

 

Did the study report evidence of elevated spike protein production persisting a year or more after vaccination ?? (I didn't see that part).

 

What I did is is that the persistent spike protein production is hypothesised as a contributing factor, it was not directly measured or proven in the study. The authors propose it as a possibility, alongside the well-established inflammatory properties of mRNA–lipid nanoparticles (LNPs), which are known to stimulate innate immune responses.

 

This, the focus appears to be on cytokine levels rather than direct measurements of spike protein presence over time.

 

As I read it (very briefly), the study highlights prolonged immune signalling post-vaccination and the potential for longer term immunity (further study required of course).

 

 

[dinsdale]

2 minutes ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Oh, so you are blaming mRNA vaccines on infant cancers. 

 

Am I? Please demonstrate how I blamed infant cancers on mRNA jabs. Jeeez. 

[SAFETY FIRST]

3 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Am I? Please demonstrate how I blamed infant cancers on mRNA jabs. Jeeez. 

I'm not a mind reader, It's the topic.  

Why are you going off topic?

You're being a pest 

Another person bothering me, go away, annoy someone else. 

 

[dinsdale]

4 minutes ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

I'm not a mind reader, It's the topic.  

Why are you going off topic?

You're being a pest 

Another person bothering me, go away, annoy someone else. 

 

Mate your the one saying if you get cancer it's your own fault. No one else is saying this. All I said is how can infant cancer be the infant's fault. If you can't cope with people pointing out your nonsense then stop posting it.

[Red Phoenix]

33 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Genetics plays a big role in that, as does how the mother took care of herself before and during the pregnancy. It's one thing that pisses me off in this world. Some do everything right and die young, and some do most everything wrong and live to 100. Of course the blue zone lifestyle has more people living longer, and what they do makes sense. 

BOMBSHELL Report: Amyloid Fibrils Found in 3-Year-Old After In-Utero mRNA Injection Exposure

The child was born 1 week after mother’s 2nd Pfizer shot—no vital signs at birth, required resuscitation, and has been chronically ill since: recurrent infections, multiple surgeries, immune dysfunction.

• At age 3, shows persistent amyloid-like fibrils circulating in blood

• Confirmed by fluorescence microscopy & SEM—not typical clots or plaques

• Fibrils exhibit cross-β sheet binding, prion-like folding, and autofluorescence

> While I do not deny the impact of genetics on a child's health profile, the refusal to consider the child immunization schedule as a likely candidate for health issues is tell-tale. 

Note: In the above case the impact of the mother's Pfizer-shot on her baby's health problems is obvious.

[SAFETY FIRST]

11 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Mate your the one saying if you get cancer it's your own fault. No one else is saying this. All I said is how can infant cancer be the infant's fault. If you can't cope with people pointing out your nonsense then stop posting it.

Again, you're OFF TOPIC.

I'm not here for an argument. I choose not to interact.

 

Google is your friend, google can help you?

 

[dinsdale]

1 minute ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Again, you're OFF TOPIC.

I'm not here for an argument. I choose not to interact.

 

Google is your friend, google can help you?

 

I'm responding to your comment therefore it must be your comment that's OFF TOPIC.

[rattlesnake]

4 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Google is your friend

 

Debatable.

 

[I am not "bothering you", just don't answer this and everything will be OK]

[Mark Nothing]

I always like to go to the most valid source for information.  What better source than from the creator himself, of human beings?  Shouldn't he be the best, most reliable source?

 

Conveniently, the best selling, most read book in the history of the world is readily available to answer the questions posed here.  Moses met with God atop Mt Sinai about 3,400 years ago confirmed by 3.5 million eyewitnesses.  The results  reported in the first 5 books of the Holy Bible.

 

How do you like that?  The creator of human beings had the foresight to explain the components of man and show us how to maximize our lives in perfect health and harmony free from disease. All we have to do is learn it and implement it into our lives.  It's like having access to the user's manual for the James Bond super car.

 

It will be well worth your time and energy.  Hint: we are more than just physical beings.  We also have an ethereal power ready to be accessed and used on demand.  And then you won't be concerned with make believe theories.