Clash of the Titans: Trump and Musk's Public Fallout Sends Shockwaves Through Washington

[frank83628]

2 hours ago, blaze master said:

I thought Elon was a fascist nazi.....oh well there goes that narrative.

Yep, he was just that, hated by all on here.... but oh look, all of a sudden they switch.... the derangement in full effect.

[spidermike007]

14 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Trump vs. Musk: 8 Ways Their Feud Could Unfold

The growing feud between President Donald Trump and Elon Musk could have significant political and economic consequences. Here are eight ways their conflict could escalate:

What Musk Could Do:

1. Fund Opposition Campaigns: Musk could use his billions to fund campaigns against Trump and Republicans, even withholding the final $100 million of his pledge to support Trump.

2. Social Media as a Weapon: He could leverage X (formerly Twitter) to stir controversy, like proposing a new political party and supporting Trump’s impeachment.

3. Expose Trump: Musk might drag Trump into controversy by alleging that Trump’s administration delayed the release of Epstein-related files due to his involvement.

4. Disrupt Government Operations: Musk could threaten to decommission SpaceX’s Dragon spacecraft, halting critical NASA operations.

What Trump Could Do:

1. Cut Contracts: Trump could end government contracts with Musk’s companies, including SpaceX and Tesla, potentially costing Musk billions.

2. Investigate Musk: Trump could push for investigations into Musk’s naturalized citizenship and past drug use.

3. Revoke Security Clearance: Trump could revoke Musk’s top-secret clearance, making it difficult for Musk to continue his work with NASA.

4. Use Presidential Powers: Trump could use executive orders or direct investigations to target Musk’s projects or personal interests.

This high-stakes feud could reshape the political and economic landscape in unpredictable ways.

Credit: The New York Times, Kellen Browning, June 5, 2025.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/06/05/us/trump-elon-musk#musk-trump-attacks-feud

Good post. It is very likely that we'll see all of those actions taking place and more, this is going to be a lot of fun, this is going to unfold into a major war. I don't see reconciliation anytime soon. Eventually, Trump throws everyone under the bus. 

[John Drake]

Elon has worked wonders with SpaceX. He saved the American space program. The rest of the stuff he does, including Tesla, is marginal. And his involvement with Trump and DOGE was a disaster, absolute stupidity. But he is incredibly stupid about politics himself. The only question is:

Would Trump be idiotic and selfish enough to destroy the US space program for the sake of personal petty revenge?  Answer: Of course he would.

[cdemundo]

I don't know if this is administration is best described as a circle jerk or a sh$t show.

Crazy.

[Hummin]

5 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

And are you so blinkered that you can't say the same thing about Trump? 

I do not know if I'm supposed to be offended after everything I have written on this forum about Trump.

 

Trump is born that way

 

The greatest of them all, and the world have not seen anything alike him, at least for this  century

[jerrymahoney]

22 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Yes, he could amend the nationalization law to allow payment in the Trump crypto curency. Thereby boosting the value of his crypto currency and giving Musk basically glass pearls.

 

 

Constitutional amendment

[stevenl]

35 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

Just a quickie from AI Gemini:

In the United States, while nationalization (government taking control of a business) is generally possible, it typically involves compensation to the original owners, as mandated by the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution. This ensures "just compensation" is paid when the government takes private property, including businesses.

-- then Elon could then go back to his real business of making more kids.

That would add a nice chunk to the deficit.

[stevenl]

2 hours ago, blaze master said:

I thought Elon was a fascist nazi.....oh well there goes that narrative.

 

20 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Yep, he was just that, hated by all on here.... but oh look, all of a sudden they switch.... the derangement in full effect.

What makes you think he isn't? 

[blaze master]

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

 

What makes you think he isn't? 

 

Perhaps read the thread. 

 

 

[LosLobo]

24 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Good post. It is very likely that we'll see all of those actions taking place and more, this is going to be a lot of fun, this is going to unfold into a major war. I don't see reconciliation anytime soon. Eventually, Trump throws everyone under the bus. 

Thanks!

As Republican strategist and former RNC Chairman, Rick Wilson, said in his book Everything Trump Touches Dies, and no doubt that will eventually include the US

[Tug]

22 minutes ago, John Drake said:

Elon has worked wonders with SpaceX. He saved the American space program. The rest of the stuff he does, including Tesla, is marginal. And his involvement with Trump and DOGE was a disaster, absolute stupidity. But he is incredibly stupid about politics himself. The only question is:

Would Trump be idiotic and selfish enough to destroy the US space program for the sake of personal petty revenge?  Answer: Of course he would.

Oh I imagine Mr musk has thought this out mmmmuch further ahead than trump ….id bet money he and XI have been having some nice warm phone calls humm??what’s to stop him from picking up his marbles and going to China?that’s my bet,Elon wants to go to mars more than anything he obviously doesn’t care about anyone to him the mission is paramount.

[stevenl]

5 minutes ago, blaze master said:

 

Perhaps read the thread. 

 

 

Ridiculing isn't loving.

[Hummin]

5 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Thanks!

As Republican strategist and former RNC Chairman, Rick Wilson, said in his book Everything Trump Touches Dies, and no doubt that will eventually include the US

But in his mind, he is still the greatest above anyone else, and thats the core of the delicate problem when his fans still believes in him

[blaze master]

Just now, stevenl said:

Ridiculing isn't loving.

 

Ok.

[Hummin]

38 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

And are you so blinkered that you can't say the same thing about Trump? 

Honestly, I thought that was not necessary.

 

Now I'm not sure who gives me the negative responses for my obvious sarcastic reply back to you 😁

 

I mean Monthy Python couldn't scripted a better plot than we see unfolds now in our time. Impossible 

[John Drake]

8 minutes ago, Tug said:

Oh I imagine Mr musk has thought this out mmmmuch further ahead than trump ….id bet money he and XI have been having some nice warm phone calls humm??what’s to stop him from picking up his marbles and going to China?that’s my bet,Elon wants to go to mars more than anything he obviously doesn’t care about anyone to him the mission is paramount.

 

Agree. I've always thought that was a possibility. Don't need to move the company. Just the people.

[Stocky]

4 hours ago, Social Media said:

Clash of the Titans

More like Statler and Waldorf

[stevenl]

3 minutes ago, Stocky said:

More like Statler and Waldorf

Those 2 were harmless, as was their humour. These 2 are dangerous and have no humour.

[frank83628]

19 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Thanks!

As Republican strategist and former RNC Chairman, Rick Wilson, said in his book Everything Trump Touches Dies, and no doubt that will eventually include the US

That must be why Trump is a billionare then.

[frank83628]

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Those 2 were harmless, as was their humour. These 2 are dangerous and have no humour.

They are both quite funny, but the derangement doesn't allow you to laugh, rather is makes you suck lemons

[Hummin]

3 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

That must be why Trump is a billionare then.

He knows how to manipulate politicians and the bank system where he gives them the impression they have more to lose than gain from turning him down. 

 

Simple, 

[frank83628]

Just now, Hummin said:

He knows how to manipulate politicians and the bank system where he gives them the impression they have more to lose than gain from turning him down. 

 

Simple, 

So good at business then, is basically what you're saying.

I believe in a recent court case the banks said they were happy with the loans and they were all  paid back and they were ready to do it again.

[TheAppletons]

52 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

I don't know if this is administration is best described as a circle jerk or a sh$t show.

Crazy.

 

  I prefer "Insane Clown Posse".

[Hummin]

2 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

So good at business then, is basically what you're saying.

I believe in a recent court case the banks said they were happy with the loans and they were all  paid back and they were ready to do it again.

How is that possible?

 

The six bankruptcies were the result of over-leveraged hotel and casino businesses in Atlantic City and New York: Trump Taj Mahal (1991), Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino (1992), Plaza Hotel (1992), Trump Castle Hotel and Casino (1992), Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts (2004), and Trump Entertainment Resorts (2009)

 

Wiki

[frank83628]

3 minutes ago, Hummin said:

How is that possible?

 

The six bankruptcies were the result of over-leveraged hotel and casino businesses in Atlantic City and New York: Trump Taj Mahal (1991), Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino (1992), Plaza Hotel (1992), Trump Castle Hotel and Casino (1992), Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts (2004), and Trump Entertainment Resorts (2009)

 

Wiki

6 in 60 yrs.... wow, who in the same level of business hasn't had some losses still a billionare, and not  president.... for the second time

 

Thw wiki search shows you didn't actually know, I doubt it goes into the finer details either.... but but Trump

[Hummin]

1 minute ago, frank83628 said:

6 in 60 yrs.... wow, who in the same level of business hasn't had some losses still a billionare, and not  president.... for the second time

In 60 years, this is in a time-frame of 20 years.

 

 

[stevenl]

7 minutes ago, Hummin said:

In 60 years, this is in a time-frame of 20 years.

 

 

Don't let yourself get sucked into the off topic deflections.

[ExpatOilWorker]

[Hummin]

2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Don't let yourself get sucked into the off topic deflections.

True, but part of gospel they continue preaching about his wealth and success 

[frank83628]

Just now, Hummin said:

In 60 years, this is in a time-frame of 20 years.

 

 

But he is still alive and doing business.

The fact is what ever losses he had then have recovered,  then grown more to, uolp to present day.