10 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Personally I just worry and get insecure that the other guys were bigger and the girl enjoyed it more.

 

Well, apart from the fact that a woman carries the DNA of those men she's slept with in her brain, her blood and her whole body, which is enough to induce a healthy sense of disgust in most normal people, you raise an interesting point, the psychological problems of being with a woman who has had an inordinatley large number of male sex partners.

 

Apart from the feelings of insecurity that  you would carry in your brain "was he better looking, did he have a bigger Johnson, did she enjoy sex with him more etc", there is the small matter that the woman would have been attached with one or more men seriously. So she would have been "imprinted" by these men. Not just in the sense that they may have taken her on holidays to Dubai or 5 star resorts in Thailand, but their whole attraction archetype could have been formed by these men. So effectively she would measure you by how you shape up in comparison to those men.

 

When I see pics of girls on TF who try to flex with the Eiffel tower, or Big Ben, or the Kremlin, I immediately put them on "ignore", because those girls would have been imprinted by other men, who took them on luxury vacations and so on. So you may think she's excited by you taking her to a 5 star resort or to a roof top bar, but in reality she's been to 10 already. With other guys. It means nothing to her. However, she will judge you if you give her less.

 

So a woman who's had a lot of men, apart from carrying these men's DNA in her brain, her blood and her whole body, carrying a lot of baggage from relationships with other men, she will also create certain other problems in the relationship, solely by reason of her having fornicated with a lot of men.

I think when a young person has been exposed to the level of depravity that arises in the nightlife areas she is unlikely to ever recapture the person she once was. And the question is why would anyone want to try? Best seeking company with undamaged goods. 

5 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

I think when a young person has been exposed to the level of depravity that arises in the nightlife areas she is unlikely to ever recapture the person she once was. And the question is why would anyone want to try? Best seeking company with undamaged goods. 

 

Indeed, every time a woman has a relationship with a man, she loses a part of herself. Same with men. We too, lose a part of ourselves to those women. We, men and women, are not the same, after we've had a relationship with a woman. Much like we carry the DNA of those former sex partners within us (and yes men do too) , after a relationship, we carry their memories, we will have modified our views, our likes, our dislikes. We never recapture who we were.

 

And women, who often have had 10, 20, 30, 50 or more partners even if they're not sex workers, suffer from this more than men, because they simply have more options. The thousand coq stare is real. Some of them are like empty vessels. There is nothing there anymore of who they once were.

 

Much better to seek out undamaged goods. And, no it's not impossible to find a virgin or girls with one or two ex boyfriends. They are out there.

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Much better to seek out undamaged goods. And, no it's not impossible to find a virgin or girls with one or two ex boyfriends.

I think virgin is definitely the way to go, half the world can not be wrong.

Many cultures they still value this and are not prepared to marry anything less.

 

I know one who left all that behind and got into farming. When you instil good things in people, they often remember them.

 

 

What difference does it make if the woman who takes you to the cleaners before the family court is "bar" or "non-bar"?

I know guys who have met bar girls, or massage gals, and ended up having long term relationships with them, that were good for both of them. A prostitute is not necessarily a prostitute. We have to define that, and there are an infinite number of variation of that definition. If someone is fortunate enough to rescue a good gal from a massage shop or a bar, within the first few months of her working there, it is quite possible she is still normal, and emotionally healthy. The trick is determining how long she has been at it. That can be difficult, as they all have a story.

 

Of course the numbers do count for something, beyond a point. There is a limit. LOL. Where is that limit? I have some opinions about the subject. Surprise, surprise!

 

So, how many? Many of us think there is a sort of sliding scale of damage. In my opinion, up to 150 men (some experience), no big deal. Most men like to argue that their gal has only been with a few guys. Yeah, right. Most American women have likely been with 20-200 guys. Despite the answers they give to those taking surveys! 

 

150-500 men (BAB - been around the block), she is experienced, but will likely be fine, if she has a good heart, and a strong mind.

 

500-1000 men (AVEG - a very experienced gal) is approaching the point where there very well might be some long term psychological damage.

 

1000-2000 men (ASP - a serious pro), and there is likely to be long term bitterness towards men.

 

2000-5000 men (ATW - around the world) and over, and there is little chance of being able to engage emotionally in a healthy manner, ever again. And there could be physical issues too. There are likely exceptions. But not many.

 

It is my contention that it depends on a few factors. The first and most important factor is how many? How many men has she been with? If she is relatively new, and has only gotten with between 20-200 men, more than likely she is still sane, and could possess a good heart. If she has gotten with over 200, the chances decrease. If over 500, harder for her to relate to men as decent human beings. Once you get to the "around the world level", where she has been with over 1,000 men, all bets are off. The heart hardens, and more than likely she is bitter for life. I am sure there are exceptions. But, the risk in getting involved with a highly experienced bar girl, or massage girl, is great.

 

How does one know? Without hiring a private detective, you likely never will, and the one who claims one month of working in the bar, could have worked in four other bars, and a short time massage shop, for years, prior to you meeting her. So, are you looking at BAB, AVEG, or ASP?

 

 

12 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

I think virgin is definitely the way to go, half the world can not be wrong.

Many cultures they still value this and are not prepared to marry anything less.

 

Don't think there's many female virgins over 14 in Thailand.

And I prefer then aged 30-35.

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

 

 

 

A woman that slept with a lot of men, it's digusting to us for a reason, it turns out.

 

 

 

and yet a woman that will do a dozen guys at the same is awesome fun.

gotta love a good old-fashioned orgy!

11 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

I think virgin is definitely the way to go, half the world can not be wrong.

Many cultures they still value this and are not prepared to marry anything less.

 

Says the bloke who spends his life talking about bar girl stuff on here......😂

 

Did you give up looking for a virgin in Pattaya, hence your threads...........😥.........🤭

3 hours ago, save the frogs said:

I've popped into bars and had conversations with a few. So "a few" does not constitute a scientific study.

 

But based on my very limited experience, I would say most of them either cannot be rehabilitated back into polite society or it might take a lot of work.

 

I was testing out one girl. I said I'm looking for a friend. She lost her temper and stood up and said "No!" . It was a major shock to her system to insinuate that her role be tweaked. 

 

When you sleep with hordes of men, it affects you on a deep level. They are not the same as normal women at all. 

 

So my response is very few. And for others, it might take a lot of work. 

 

Edit: And you may need to worry about her having a "relapse". Because working in a bar is a bit like taking drugs. It's constant high adrenaline, booze, party vibe, getting a lot of attention from different men. They may find a stay at home life boring. I dunno. Just a hunch. 

 

Rephrase to “ When you sleep with hordes of women, it affects you on a deep level. They are not the same as normal men at all”.
When reworded like that, it reveals a certain shallowness. I wouldn’t want a bargirl to change her ways if I won’t or can’t change mine. 

 

 

 

17 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

I think virgin is definitely the way to go, half the world can not be wrong.

Many cultures they still value this and are not prepared to marry anything less.

 

It's got so many advantages. The only problem is you may have to compromise on your looks parametres. The 11s and 12s will be promiscuous, they will try to "explore their options". The virgin may well be a solid 6 or a 7, maybe even an 8, but it's of course very rare to find an 11 or 12 that's a virgin, because if a woman is that good looking men will drive hard to the hoop.

 

But then what good is she if she's an 11, but is promiscuous, not loyal, and you can never trust her? Perhaps a 6,7 or 8 that is loyal, loving and warm and truly loves you is a better option.

 

Each man must decide his life for himself.

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Please keep it polite and civil.

Yes. Without a doubt.  The question should be; is it possible to reintroduce a western whoremonger back into polite society?

1 hour ago, MalcolmB said:

What is that?

Look in the mirror.

How many people do you know that have no need for a little more money sometimes?

 

One big problem with bargirls bargirls going straight is that when they need a little money at the end of the month (or whenever) they can always make a few quick bucks in the trade they know.

...is the elephant in the room. Who is corrupting these girls if not for the men abusing them?

Those women will have a very poor view of men, since most of the men they meet are uncaring and disgustingly weak creatures.

Not people whom they can admire nor trust. It's not just on the women.

 

 

 

 

 

11 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

I know guys who have met bar girls, or massage gals, and ended up having long term relationships with them, that were good for both of them. A prostitute is not necessarily a prostitute. We have to define that, and there are an infinite number of variation of that definition. If someone is fortunate enough to rescue a good gal from a massage shop or a bar, within the first few months of her working there, it is quite possible she is still normal, and emotionally healthy. The trick is determining how long she has been at it. That can be difficult, as they all have a story.

 

Of course the numbers do count for something, beyond a point. There is a limit. LOL. Where is that limit? I have some opinions about the subject. Surprise, surprise!

 

So, how many? Many of us think there is a sort of sliding scale of damage. In my opinion, up to 150 men (some experience), no big deal. Most men like to argue that their gal has only been with a few guys. Yeah, right. Most American women have likely been with 20-200 guys. Despite the answers they give to those taking surveys! 

 

150-500 men (BAB - been around the block), she is experienced, but will likely be fine, if she has a good heart, and a strong mind.

 

500-1000 men (AVEG - a very experienced gal) is approaching the point where there very well might be some long term psychological damage.

 

1000-2000 men (ASP - a serious pro), and there is likely to be long term bitterness towards men.

 

2000-5000 men (ATW - around the world) and over, and there is little chance of being able to engage emotionally in a healthy manner, ever again. And there could be physical issues too. There are likely exceptions. But not many.

 

It is my contention that it depends on a few factors. The first and most important factor is how many? How many men has she been with? If she is relatively new, and has only gotten with between 20-200 men, more than likely she is still sane, and could possess a good heart. If she has gotten with over 200, the chances decrease. If over 500, harder for her to relate to men as decent human beings. Once you get to the "around the world level", where she has been with over 1,000 men, all bets are off. The heart hardens, and more than likely she is bitter for life. I am sure there are exceptions. But, the risk in getting involved with a highly experienced bar girl, or massage girl, is great.

 

How does one know? Without hiring a private detective, you likely never will, and the one who claims one month of working in the bar, could have worked in four other bars, and a short time massage shop, for years, prior to you meeting her. So, are you looking at BAB, AVEG, or ASP?

 

 

 

It's an interesting hypothesis, but where are you getting these numbers from?

 

Maybe a girl's heart hardens after being with 10 men. 

 

 

4 minutes ago, SMIAI said:

...is the elephant in the room. Who is corrupting these girls if not for the men abusing them?

Those women will have a very poor view of men, since most of the men they meet are uncaring and disgustingly weak creatures.

Not people whom they can admire nor trust. It's not just on the women.

Do you think it's possible to corrupt someone any more after their first 100 offenses of any morally questionable activity?

 

They are just crazy figures from someone who obviously indulged A LOT. 150 men is okay?! 😊

42 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

In my opinion, up to 150 men (some experience), no big deal.

 

Holy s**t!!!

 

No big deal that she had 150 men cum inside of her?

 

Seriously???

How did they get to that number? Disgusting, sad men who want to bypass normality by bribing poor women with cash. 

Once they saw the possibilities; buy land, build a house, it became an epidemic. A way of life for many. The men who do it are culpable. They just salve their egos by telling themselves that they are helping the girls. But really, they are just helping themselves and abusing the women.

6 minutes ago, SMIAI said:

They are just crazy figures from someone who obviously indulged A LOT. 150 men is okay?! 😊

I had a pal that managed 10 ladies a week. Nice guy too. 150 is nothing!

He sounds a 'catch'. Just as his female equivalent would be. 

Sad that people are actually proud of such behaviour. Spreading disease. Abusing women. Corrupting them.

It's not like he met a girl who actually liked him. Seems normal behaviour here to just pay for someone to pretend to like you.

11 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Holy s**t!!!

 

No big deal that she had 150 men cum inside of her?

 

Seriously???

Yes, seriously. Most men have absolutely no idea how many men their women have been with, but I think a lot of American women have been with well over a hundred men and I don't know what the big issue is. I tend to like experience, I think innocence is very overrated and I think most men tend to be fairly puritanical about this whole thing. 

...says a dude who has probably been with at least a hundred prostitutes himself. No way would a normal person assert such a thing.

51 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

It's got so many advantages. The only problem is you may have to compromise on your looks parametres. The 11s and 12s will be promiscuous, they will try to "explore their options". The virgin may well be a solid 6 or a 7, maybe even an 8, but it's of course very rare to find an 11 or 12 that's a virgin, because if a woman is that good looking men will drive hard to the hoop.

 

But then what good is she if she's an 11, but is promiscuous, not loyal, and you can never trust her? Perhaps a 6,7 or 8 that is loyal, loving and warm and truly loves you is a better option.

 

Each man must decide his life for himself.

You are perverting the scales, there's no such thing as an 11, frankly I don't think there's any such thing as a 10. I've met a few 9s, but only a few in the course of my lifetime. 

 

It's an Olympic scale so it's 1 through 10, and it's weighted so a 6 is quite cute, a 7 is really hot, and an 8 is quite incredible. Let's try to keep this real. 

 

Also I find the whole virgin thing not only overrated but downright boring. I've been with a couple and it's just not much fun, it's pure Quaker type puritanism, with a hint of juvenile Islam thrown in. 

2 hours ago, recom273 said:

 

- yes, I don’t yet qualify for a fat pension like their husbands

Is there such a thing as a "fat pension"

Every time I've heard guys talking about their pensions, it's barley enough to survive on.... even in Thailand

2 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Most men have absolutely no idea how many men their women have been with

 

You're not wrong there. As a general rule adding 300% is usually a good idea.

 

3 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

I don't know what the big issue is

 

Quite a lot of big issues, apart from the fact it's digusting.

1 minute ago, spidermike007 said:

You are perverting the scales, there's no such thing as an 11, frankly I don't think there's any such thing as a 10. I've met a few 9s, but only a few in the course of my lifetime. 

 

It's an Olympic scale so it's 1 through 10, and it's weighted so a 6 is quite cute, a 7 is really hot, and an 8 is quite incredible. Let's try to keep this real. 

 

Yes, indeed, I was exaggerating to make a point. Some women are so good looking they are way off the scales, they're often described as an 11 or 12 , even though the scales go to 10. Obviously they are rare.