Issue Getting Retirement Extension

[leytonorient]

I have been declined my retirement extension due to a strange issue. I rent from a private landlord. For the first time in many years being here the IO is requesting personal info about my landlord. First they asked for the landlord's title deed on the condo. I obtained that but they did not accept it because the deed was in the bank's name because the landlord has a mortgage. Now they want a copy of the landlord's mortgage contract with the bank to prove he is not a nominee. I already gave the TM 30 which the landlord obviously submitted. The landlord does not want to give out this personal financial info with the bank and I don't blame them. Has anyone else had this kind of issue where immigration is wanting all types of personal info from their landlord?

[scubascuba3]

The net is closing in on those with nominees, illegal thai proxy shareholders 

[Caldera]

Which immigration office is this? We've had similar reports from Chonburi Immigration's Jomtien office recently, it would be interesting to know if it happens elsewhere.

[leytonorient]

  On 6/11/2025 at 11:28 AM, Caldera said:

Which immigration office is this? We've had similar reports from Chonburi Immigration's Jomtien office recently, it would be interesting to know if it happens elsewhere.

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BKK

It is unethical to ask someone for their personal financial info. The landlord is not obligated to pass out such documents to tenants. Especially as it is the same landlord that I had last year when I got the extension no problem.

[Caldera]

  On 6/11/2025 at 11:56 AM, leytonorient said:

BKK

It is unethical to ask someone for their personal financial info. The landlord is not obligated to pass out such documents to tenants. Especially as it is the same landlord that I had last year when I got the extension no problem.

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I agree, that goes way beyond ensuring that you actually stay where you say you stay. The landlord should be obliged to provide their ID, the rental property's house book, the TM30 receipt - and nothing else.

[Rob Browder]

  On 6/11/2025 at 10:52 AM, leytonorient said:

Has anyone else had this kind of issue where immigration is wanting all types of personal info from their landlord?

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Yes - but for a marriage-based extension, which they hate doing.  This is the first I have heard regarding a retirement-based case. 

It would seem the agent-money coffers are coming up short, so they are pushing more legit applicants to their agent-buddies.  I would try to find an agent who will factor your actually meeting the financials in, and offer a cost short of the 15K (in Bangkok), which bypasses the financial requirements.

[renaissanc]

If you are renting your accommodation, apologize to your landlord and say you'll have to move because of Immigration's requirements. This might make him change his mind. If he still won't help you and you can't talk to his wife (women are more sensible than men in financial matters generally), you will have to decide: shall I move accommodation or leave the country? The answer is obvious.

[FritsSikkink]

  On 6/13/2025 at 1:31 AM, renaissanc said:

If you are renting your accommodation, apologize to your landlord and say you'll have to move because of Immigration's requirements. This might make him change his mind. If he still won't help you and you can't talk to his wife (women are more sensible than men in financial matters generally), you will have to decide: shall I move accommodation or leave the country? The answer is obvious.

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The landlord is right, immigration shouldn't ask for this information.

[timendres]

When I renewed two years ago, the IO insisted on the deed to the condo, as the owner was not in the blue book.

(it was her daughter who was registered in the blue book and managing everything for her elderly mother).

We produced the deed and all was okay. But it was a small battle over my unwillingness to provide an envelope.

This was at CW.

[DrJack54]

  On 6/13/2025 at 7:39 AM, timendres said:

But it was a small battle over my unwillingness to provide an envelope.

This was at CW.

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Elaborate

[Knight Rider]

Can't you book a hotel and get a TM30 from the hotel to comply with the immigration requirement. 

[chilly07]

  On 6/11/2025 at 10:52 AM, leytonorient said:

I have been declined my retirement extension due to a strange issue. I rent from a private landlord. For the first time in many years being here the IO is requesting personal info about my landlord. First they asked for the landlord's title deed on the condo. I obtained that but they did not accept it because the deed was in the bank's name because the landlord has a mortgage. Now they want a copy of the landlord's mortgage contract with the bank to prove he is not a nominee. I already gave the TM 30 which the landlord obviously submitted. The landlord does not want to give out this personal financial info with the bank and I don't blame them. Has anyone else had this kind of issue where immigration is wanting all types of personal info from their landlord?

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Yes

Jomtien is asking for copy of landlords ID, copy of landlords land registry for rented property and copy of land registry for their own residence all for a student extension 

[sandyf]

  On 6/13/2025 at 3:32 AM, FritsSikkink said:

The landlord is right, immigration shouldn't ask for this information.

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Are you saying immigration shouldn't have the right to ensure extension applicants are not aiding and abetting criminal activity.

When I first came here there was a consensus that buying a house through a company with nominee shareholders was the only sensible method.

Those that respected the law and did it with their wife were seen as stupid.

[FritsSikkink]

  On 6/16/2025 at 1:18 AM, sandyf said:

Are you saying immigration shouldn't have the right to ensure extension applicants are not aiding and abetting criminal activity.

When I first came here there was a consensus that buying a house through a company with nominee shareholders was the only sensible method.

Those that respected the law and did it with their wife were seen as stupid.

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No, that isn't what I am saying, read it again.

[Caldera]

  On 6/16/2025 at 1:18 AM, sandyf said:

Are you saying immigration shouldn't have the right to ensure extension applicants are not aiding and abetting criminal activity.

When I first came here there was a consensus that buying a house through a company with nominee shareholders was the only sensible method.

Those that respected the law and did it with their wife were seen as stupid.

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That the landlord is an individual (not a company) could be established with the usual documents requested. The additional ones that the OP is being asked for are way over the top.

[timendres]

  On 6/13/2025 at 9:36 AM, DrJack54 said:

Elaborate

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Not much to say. IO suggested a way to "expedite the process". I declined. The number was absurd.

[sandyf]

  On 6/16/2025 at 2:02 AM, FritsSikkink said:

No, that isn't what I am saying, read it again.

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Quite obvious what you said, and what you meant.

Your words

"The landlord is right, immigration shouldn't ask for this information."

[FritsSikkink]

  On 6/16/2025 at 8:47 AM, sandyf said:

Quite obvious what you said, and what you meant.

Your words

"The landlord is right, immigration shouldn't ask for this information."

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That doesn't make me support illegal ownership. 

The conditions of somebody's mortgage is none of their business.

 

[sandyf]

  On 6/16/2025 at 5:34 AM, Caldera said:

 

That the landlord is an individual (not a company) could be established with the usual documents requested. The additional ones that the OP is being asked for are way over the top.

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You are entitled to your opinion.

Immigration is quite entitled to check the landlord  is a private individual, and not a company.

At the end of the day,  the man with the stamp has the last word.

[sandyf]

  On 6/16/2025 at 8:59 AM, FritsSikkink said:

That doesn't make me support illegal ownership. 

The conditions of somebody's mortgage is none of their business.

 

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And what do you think advocating against immigration's right to verify supports.

[FritsSikkink]

  On 6/16/2025 at 9:12 AM, sandyf said:

And what do you think advocating against immigration's right to verify supports.

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They need to know where you live, how the owner support his finances has nothing to do with that.

[sandyf]

  On 6/16/2025 at 9:19 AM, FritsSikkink said:

They need to know where you live, how the owner support his finances has nothing to do with that.

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So you think they don't need to know if your accommodation is legal or not.

You can think what you want, it was those that advocated nominee shareholders, and there was some on this forum, that have created the need for more extensive checking.

You cannot blame immigration for the misdeeds of others, but why not take the easy option.

[FritsSikkink]

  On 6/17/2025 at 1:33 AM, sandyf said:

So you think they don't need to know if your accommodation is legal or not.

You can think what you want, it was those that advocated nominee shareholders, and there was some on this forum, that have created the need for more extensive checking.

You cannot blame immigration for the misdeeds of others, but why not take the easy option.

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The landlord has a copy of the chanote, a personal bank loan, what his mortgage looks like has NOTHING to do with nominee shareholders. You have shareholders in a company. You have no idea what you are talking about.

[Rob Browder]

  On 6/16/2025 at 1:18 AM, sandyf said:

Are you saying immigration shouldn't have the right to ensure extension applicants are not aiding and abetting criminal activity.

When I first came here there was a consensus that buying a house through a company with nominee shareholders was the only sensible method.

Those that respected the law and did it with their wife were seen as stupid.

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A lease and landlord's ID should be all that is required. 

You are applying for an extension of your permitted-stay from immigration - not working as an agent of the revenue dept, or whatever. 

They can (and sometimes do) come to see you "really live there." 

And, if they think they landlord is doing something wrong, they can take it up with them - has nothing to do with the applicant living where they say they are.

[Rob Browder]

  On 6/16/2025 at 7:00 AM, timendres said:

 

Not much to say. IO suggested a way to "expedite the process". I declined. The number was absurd.

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This is what "extra requirements" are always really about.  Even some "real" requirements are skipped for agent-envelopes.

[proton]

  On 6/19/2025 at 4:02 AM, Rob Browder said:

This is what "extra requirements" are always really about.  Even some "real" requirements are skipped for agent-envelopes.

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At CW as well, said to be squeaky clean and all above board 🤨 

[NanLaew]

  On 6/17/2025 at 5:45 AM, FritsSikkink said:

The landlord has a copy of the chanote, a personal bank loan, what his mortgage looks like has NOTHING to do with nominee shareholders. You have shareholders in a company. You have no idea what you are talking about.

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Hypothetical: What if it is a farang landlord who doesn't have a registered company but owns several condominiums that he rents out for his 'living the dream' income here?

[quake]

Just more overreach by

the bunch of  vaginas,  called  immigration.

 

[sandyf]

  On 6/19/2025 at 4:00 AM, Rob Browder said:

And, if they think they landlord is doing something wrong, they can take it up with them - has nothing to do with the applicant living where they say they are.

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Indeed, but if they think there is something not quite right they are quite entitled to make sure the applicant is not involved.

There are many on here that would say the applicant is at fault if living in an Airbnb, they would be wrong of course, but that is the reality.

[timendres]

  On 6/19/2025 at 4:11 AM, NanLaew said:

 

Hypothetical: What if it is a farang landlord who doesn't have a registered company but owns several condominiums that he rents out for his 'living the dream' income here?

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I am not an expert on this topic. Have only talked to a few "landlords".

But I believe that, if the landlord has a valid extension, and they are hiring Thai nationals for any "work" involved, and they are reporting their income to the Thai government and paying taxes, I believe it is all fine. The difficult part is proving you are not "working" if, say, you are on a retirement extension. But one guy I spoke with indicated that he hired Thais for everything, including meeting potential renters and executing all paperwork. Another simply had a management company to handle everything - I believe as part of the development.