On 7/4/2025 at 12:57 AM, HappyExpat57 said:

Yeah, and they said horseless carriages would never replace horses. It is necessary for a true democracy (the two party system has failed miserably!). Whether it's now or in the future - only time will tell.

The US isn't a 2 party system, it's just other parties never got anywhere. Currently the US has the following parties:

 

Political parties in Congress

• Democratic Party – A center-left party that supports liberalism.
• Republican Party – A center-right to right-wing party that supports conservatism.

Political parties in state legislatures

• Forward Party – a centrist party that supports and electoral reform.
• Independent Party of Oregon – a centrist party.
• Libertarian Party – a libertarian party that supports heavy deregulation.
• Vermont Progressive Party – a progressive party that supports democratic socialism.

Minor parties on the ballot in multiple states

• Alliance Party – a big tent party. It was created after multiple smaller parties decided to join together. Some of these parties include the Independence Party of Minnesota and the American Party of South Carolina.
• American Independent Party – a paleoconservative party. It was created by George Wallace for his presidential campaign in 1968.
• American Solidarity Party – a party that supports christian democracy.
• Constitution Party – a paleoconservative party. When it was first created, it was called the U.S. Taxpayer Party.
• Green Party – a left-wing party that supports green politics.
• Liberal Party – a classical liberal party. It broke away from the Libertarian Party over disagreements in how the party was run.
• Natural Law Party – a political party created in many countries. It was founded to put the teachings of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi into government.
• No Labels – not really a political party. In 2024, it tried to put a centrist candidate on the ballot for president. Right now, it does not support any candidate in any election.
• Party for Socialism and Liberation – a revolutionary Communist party.
• Working Class Party – a democratic socialist party.
• Working Families Party – a progressive party. In states where they are on the ballot, they mostly help more progressive Democrats win elections.

Minor parties on the ballot in one state

• Alaskan Independence Party – a party in Alaska. It supports Alaskan independence from the United States.
• Aloha ʻĀina Party – a party in Hawaii. It supports Hawaiian sovereignty.
• Approval Voting Party – a single-issue party in Colorado. It supports approval voting.
• Colorado Center Party – a centrist party in Colorado.
• Conservative Party of New York State – a conservative party in New York state. It mostly helps more conservative Republicans win elections.
• Ecology Party of Florida – an environmentalist party in Florida.
• Grassroots—Legalize Cannabis Party – a democratic socialist party in Minnesota. It supports marijuana legalization.
• Green Mountain Peace and Justice Party – a democratic socialist party in Vermont.
• Independent Citizens Movement – a reformist party in the U.S. Virgin Islands. It split off from the Democratic Party in the 1960s.
• Independent Party of Delaware – a centrist party in Delaware.
• Independent Party of Florida – a centrist party in Florida.
• Independent Party of Louisiana – a centrist party in Louisiana.
• Legal Marijuana Now Party – a party in Nebraska. It supports marijuana legalization.
• Oregon Progressive Party – a progressive party in Oregon.
• Peace and Freedom Party – a left-wing party in California. It supports socialism and feminism.
• People's Party – a populist party in Florida. It tried to get Bernie Sanders to run as a third-party presidential candidate.
• Reform Party – a centrist party in Florida. It used to be much larger. Its candidate Ross Perot got 8% of the vote in the 1996 presidential election, and Jesse Ventura became Governor of Minnesota in 1999.
• South Carolina Workers Party – a democratic socialist party in South Carolina.
• Sovereign Union Movement – a party in Puerto Rico. It supports Puerto Rican sovereignty.
• United Kansas – a centrist party in Kansas.
• United Utah Party – a centrist party in Utah.
• Unity Party of Colorado – a centrist party in Colorado.

 

 

38 minutes ago, ericthai said:

The US isn't a 2 party system, it's just other parties never got anywhere. Currently the US has the following parties:

 

Political parties in Congress

• Democratic Party – A center-left party that supports liberalism.
• Republican Party – A center-right to right-wing party that supports conservatism.

Political parties in state legislatures

• Forward Party – a centrist party that supports and electoral reform.
• Independent Party of Oregon – a centrist party.
• Libertarian Party – a libertarian party that supports heavy deregulation.
• Vermont Progressive Party – a progressive party that supports democratic socialism.

Minor parties on the ballot in multiple states

• Alliance Party – a big tent party. It was created after multiple smaller parties decided to join together. Some of these parties include the Independence Party of Minnesota and the American Party of South Carolina.
• American Independent Party – a paleoconservative party. It was created by George Wallace for his presidential campaign in 1968.
• American Solidarity Party – a party that supports christian democracy.
• Constitution Party – a paleoconservative party. When it was first created, it was called the U.S. Taxpayer Party.
• Green Party – a left-wing party that supports green politics.
• Liberal Party – a classical liberal party. It broke away from the Libertarian Party over disagreements in how the party was run.
• Natural Law Party – a political party created in many countries. It was founded to put the teachings of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi into government.
• No Labels – not really a political party. In 2024, it tried to put a centrist candidate on the ballot for president. Right now, it does not support any candidate in any election.
• Party for Socialism and Liberation – a revolutionary Communist party.
• Working Class Party – a democratic socialist party.
• Working Families Party – a progressive party. In states where they are on the ballot, they mostly help more progressive Democrats win elections.

Minor parties on the ballot in one state

• Alaskan Independence Party – a party in Alaska. It supports Alaskan independence from the United States.
• Aloha ʻĀina Party – a party in Hawaii. It supports Hawaiian sovereignty.
• Approval Voting Party – a single-issue party in Colorado. It supports approval voting.
• Colorado Center Party – a centrist party in Colorado.
• Conservative Party of New York State – a conservative party in New York state. It mostly helps more conservative Republicans win elections.
• Ecology Party of Florida – an environmentalist party in Florida.
• Grassroots—Legalize Cannabis Party – a democratic socialist party in Minnesota. It supports marijuana legalization.
• Green Mountain Peace and Justice Party – a democratic socialist party in Vermont.
• Independent Citizens Movement – a reformist party in the U.S. Virgin Islands. It split off from the Democratic Party in the 1960s.
• Independent Party of Delaware – a centrist party in Delaware.
• Independent Party of Florida – a centrist party in Florida.
• Independent Party of Louisiana – a centrist party in Louisiana.
• Legal Marijuana Now Party – a party in Nebraska. It supports marijuana legalization.
• Oregon Progressive Party – a progressive party in Oregon.
• Peace and Freedom Party – a left-wing party in California. It supports socialism and feminism.
• People's Party – a populist party in Florida. It tried to get Bernie Sanders to run as a third-party presidential candidate.
• Reform Party – a centrist party in Florida. It used to be much larger. Its candidate Ross Perot got 8% of the vote in the 1996 presidential election, and Jesse Ventura became Governor of Minnesota in 1999.
• South Carolina Workers Party – a democratic socialist party in South Carolina.
• Sovereign Union Movement – a party in Puerto Rico. It supports Puerto Rican sovereignty.
• United Kansas – a centrist party in Kansas.
• United Utah Party – a centrist party in Utah.
• Unity Party of Colorado – a centrist party in Colorado.

 

 

How nice.

 

So 2 main political parties.

The Swamp Creatures in DC will tell you that the US can only be a two-party system.  Well, two party duopoly: one snake, two heads.

They'll insist a third party will never get off the ground.  But - look at Reform UK.  Suddenly the Tories and Labor have competition.

So I can see a totally frustrated electorate moving to vote in a new "Reform US" kind of party.  I will. I'm sick of both US parties.  The US needs a real political change.

4 minutes ago, connda said:

So I can see a totally frustrated electorate moving to vote in a new "Reform US" kind of party.  

Is there already with Maga. There should be room though for a social democrat party. Maga to the right, social democrats to the left and what's left of the democrats+rino's center.

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Another reason that the two party system tends to make more sense in the US system. The US doesn't have a parliamentary system. Parties can't formally merge in the US congress.

In other countries they don't formally merge but work together on a plan what strategy to follow to rule the country.

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

How nice.

 

So 2 main political parties.

no... as pointed out there are more...at this time congress is made up of only two of those parties, other parties could hold seats just nobody in another party has ran for and been voted into congress. 

 

The United States desperately needs more mainstream national political parties to create a proper multi-party democracy, so this is a good start. The best part, provided it takes off, is it will split the conservative/republican vote. While I'm no fan of the democrats either (who abandoned their working class base during Bill Clinton's time in exchange for promoting hollywood weirdos, pop stars and others with no connection to how most people live), there needs to be a further creation - a Progressive Party of America or something like that. Call it a Bernie Sanders or OAC style of social democracy, that would represent the views of millions of Americans.

 

It would be a bit like France, where there are a few mainstream leaders running for presidency and ultimately a run-off second ballot to get the final winner. In my view, that would be a much better system than the military-industrial-political K-Street dominance of deep pocket lobbyists and money politics that dominates the U.S. system at the expense of ordinary, common sense thinking voters.

This won't work brought to you by the older generation. Out of touch with what the average youngan wants in their politicians now. 

..Regarding K-Street lobbyists, I haven't seen much coming out of Trump's piehole about special-interest lobbyists, other than his obvious full-throated pro-zionist backing. Has the NRA been effective with its lobbying or any other others (oh, yeah, Trump's, BBB including the ending a tax of 'firearm silencers' - what?). Of course the main playbook seems to be Project 2025, which I guess is an amalgamation of all the right wing lobbyists and their wish lists. What about the processed food industry, or shipping industry, others..

Maybe all this MAGA double/triple-talk will shake things up, but in the post-WWII era in the US a third party serves as none other than a spoiler.

1968  (?)

1992

2000

 

In the 1990s word started going around that Gene McCarthy's 1968 run as "the 'stop the war' candidate was a set-up by the GOP.  

In 1992 Ross Perot got 19% of the popular vote but carried 0 states.  Personally, I thought he would start a new party for future, but he seemed to disappear from politics.

In 2000 Nader got less than a million votes but was effective.

 

DT's approval rating has never gone below the 30-35% range.  Don't count on any news knocking those numbers down.  But MAGA without DT might just might.  

But maybe EM can cause such a schism in the GOP that the sitting invertebrates will stand up to DT's threats of being primaried out and this new party becomes new guise of the GOP.  I doubt it.

 

7 hours ago, ronnie50 said:

The United States desperately needs more mainstream national political parties to create a proper multi-party democracy, so this is a good start. The best part, provided it takes off, is it will split the conservative/republican vote. While I'm no fan of the democrats either (who abandoned their working class base during Bill Clinton's time in exchange for promoting hollywood weirdos, pop stars and others with no connection to how most people live), there needs to be a further creation - a Progressive Party of America or something like that. Call it a Bernie Sanders or OAC style of social democracy, that would represent the views of millions of Americans.

 

It would be a bit like France, where there are a few mainstream leaders running for presidency and ultimately a run-off second ballot to get the final winner. In my view, that would be a much better system than the military-industrial-political K-Street dominance of deep pocket lobbyists and money politics that dominates the U.S. system at the expense of ordinary, common sense thinking voters.

Why does the United States desperately need more mainstream national political parties?

 

All the sudden we need a new system because the left did not get their way. 

 

I think we have a great political system. 

6 hours ago, bendejo said:

Maybe all this MAGA double/triple-talk will shake things up, but in the post-WWII era in the US a third party serves as none other than a spoiler.

1968  (?)

1992

2000

 

In the 1990s word started going around that Gene McCarthy's 1968 run as "the 'stop the war' candidate was a set-up by the GOP.  

In 1992 Ross Perot got 19% of the popular vote but carried 0 states.  Personally, I thought he would start a new party for future, but he seemed to disappear from politics.

In 2000 Nader got less than a million votes but was effective.

 

DT's approval rating has never gone below the 30-35% range.  Don't count on any news knocking those numbers down.  But MAGA without DT might just might.  

But maybe EM can cause such a schism in the GOP that the sitting invertebrates will stand up to DT's threats of being primaried out and this new party becomes new guise of the GOP.  I doubt it.

 

Elon has about as much pull with MAGA as Liz Cheney. The only difference it, they like Elon. 

On 7/4/2025 at 9:16 AM, expat_4_life said:

3rd parties have never worked -

Why that?

Proved in many other countries.

And.......it will weaken the MAGA movement.

5 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Why that?

Because not enough people vote for them. We have more than two parties. 

5 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Proved in many other countries.

What has been proven in many other countries? 

5 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

And.......it will weaken the MAGA movement.

Why do you assume it will weaken the MAGA movement? 

56 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Why that?

Proved in many other countries.

And.......it will weaken the MAGA movement.

I notice you did not quote my entire post (I did elaborate)
1) this not not about the political systems in other countries
2) the US system is winner take all
2) whichever main party (GOP/DEM) is more fractured by a 3rd party will lose the election

3) it is highly unlikely that an America Party will win an election

 

IMHO, Elon will lose, the GOP will lose and the party Elon campaigned against will win.

This is what I meant by a 3rd party will not work.

14 minutes ago, expat_4_life said:

I notice you did not quote my entire post (I did elaborate)
1) this not not about the political systems in other countries
2) the US system is winner take all
2) whichever main party (GOP/DEM) is more fractured by a 3rd party will lose the election

3) it is highly unlikely that an America Party will win an election

 

IMHO, Elon will lose, the GOP will lose and the party Elon campaigned against will win.

This is what I meant by a 3rd party will not work.

My assumption is different from yours. The 3rd party will have a huge impact on US politics 

 

23 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

My assumption is different from yours. The 3rd party will have a huge impact on US politics 

The Libertarian Party is the third biggest party, followed by the Green Party. 

 

The Reform Party almost surely cost Bush the election in '92, and I think one could argue the Green Party cost Gore the election in 2000 and Clinton the election in 2016. 

18 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

The Libertarian Party is the third biggest party, followed by the Green Party. 

 

The Reform Party almost surely cost Bush the election in '92, and I think one could argue the Green Party cost Gore the election in 2000 and Clinton the election in 2016. 

Can't compare the existing parties with this new one. This is Elon's party with unlimited money and social media behind.

11 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Can't compare the existing parties with this new one. This is Elon's party with unlimited money and social media behind.

Believe what you like, but Musk does not have unlimited money, nor does he have social media behind him. 

 

Musk was not even able to get a judge elected in Wisconsin. 

7 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Believe what you like, but Musk does not have unlimited money, nor does he have social media behind him. 

 

Musk was not even able to get a judge elected in Wisconsin. 

I am pretty sure he is sorry for helping Trump get elected.

Just waiting for him to admit the election was rigged,hate is a very powerful motivator.

Trump and Elon will keep trying to outdo each other,remember Elon was celebrated when he headed DOGE.

Will his grands and subsidies be in jeopardy?

Better stock up on popcorn.

2 minutes ago, jvs said:

I am pretty sure he is sorry for helping Trump get elected.

Just waiting for him to admit the election was rigged,hate is a very powerful motivator.

Trump and Elon will keep trying to outdo each other,remember Elon was celebrated when he headed DOGE.

Will his grands and subsidies be in jeopardy?

Better stock up on popcorn.

If Elon was going to be sorry for anything, it would be for buying twitter. 

 

I imagine Elon is still happy Trump got elected, and a lot of people still love DOGE. 

 

 

Maybe a third party a good idea but Elon Musk 

Also if successful it would split the vote and probably lead to even more chaos in the already tightly split  USA Government

18 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

If Elon was going to be sorry for anything, it would be for buying twitter. 

 

I imagine Elon is still happy Trump got elected, and a lot of people still love DOGE. 

 

 

Yes a lot of people (still) love DOGE.

I am thinking that will change once people realize it will hurt their wallet and make their lives more diiifcult

Let 's just see what will happen.

MAGA will have to chose between Elon and Trump,you can not serve two masters.

Both guys will be like a duck in the water.

 

8 minutes ago, jvs said:

Yes a lot of people (still) love DOGE.

I am thinking that will change once people realize it will hurt their wallet and make their lives more diiifcult

You can only hope. I have not seen anything that will hurt people's wallet and make their lives more difficult, and I check it most every day. It seems to me to be the contrary.  

8 minutes ago, jvs said:

Let 's just see what will happen.

Let's

8 minutes ago, jvs said:

MAGA will have to chose between Elon and Trump,you can not serve two masters.

Both guys will be like a duck in the water.

 

Here you come with the stupid master nonsense. 

7 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

You can only hope. I have not seen anything that will hurt people's wallet and make their lives more difficult, and I check it most every day. It seems to me to be the contrary.  

Let's

Here you come with the stupid master nonsense. 

And here you come again with an insult.

Can't you maga morons ever discuss something without having to insult people?

I can do that to as you see,i would prefer to discuss things as civilized people but it seems you are not capable of

doing that.

Just now, jvs said:

And here you come again with an insult.

Can't you maga morons ever discuss something without having to insult people?

I can do that to as you see,i would prefer to discuss things as civilized people but it seems you are not capable of

doing that.

How did I insult you, the "you can only hope" comment? 

 

And now you call me a moron and run away. 

 

 

12 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

How did I insult you, the "you can only hope" comment? 

 

And now you call me a moron and run away. 

 

 

Are you really that dense?

Oh well never mind,keep living the dream.

1 minute ago, jvs said:

Are you really that dense?

Oh well never mind,keep living the dream.

Oh, another insult before you run away, classy. 

 

Go with God brother. 

3 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Oh, another insult before you run away, classy. 

 

Go with God brother. 

Nobody is running,why would i run away from you?

It is ok, we are on a totally different level.

You win ok?