UK Chaos at Bell Hotel: Migrant Crisis Sparks Violent Protests in Epping

[Cameroni]

24 minutes ago, connda said:

Claim to be an "Asylum seeker" and see where that gets you in the LOS. 

 

Thailand receives 7000 asylum seeker applications in a year, the UK anywhere around 109,000.

 

Clearly the solutions Thailand is able to use cannot be used in the UK. The numbers don't allow it.

 

Talk about comparing apples with oranges.

[Cameroni]

10 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

Or try to get free medical treatment

 

Asylum seekers in Thailand do get free medical treatment.

 

11 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

Or try to claim benefits

 

Asylum seekers in Thailand do get cash benefits.

 

12 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

Or try to get a council house

 

Asylum seekers in Thailand do get housing provided.

[The Cyclist]

Just now, Cameroni said:

 

Asylum seekers in Thailand do get free medical treatment.

 

 

Asylum seekers in Thailand do get cash benefits.

 

 

Asylum seekers in Thailand do get housing provided.

 

How many asylum seekers in Thailand, do you think are posting on Asean now ?
 

But as you correctly point out

 

11 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Thailand receives 7000 asylum seeker applications in a year, the UK anywhere around 109,000.

 

Not much of a difference in

 

* Numbers.

 

* Benefits

 

* Housing.

 

* And I doubt it is Bangkok Hospital or Thantakit Dental Hospital handing out freebies.

[Cameroni]

2 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

How many asylum seekers in Thailand, do you think are posting on Asean now ?
 

But as you correctly point out

 

 

Not much of a difference in

 

* Numbers.

 

* Benefits

 

* Housing.

 

* And I doubt it is Bangkok Hospital or Thantakit Dental Hospital handing out freebies.

 

In Thailand  the UNHCR's partner organization, BRC, provides assistance with medical issues and access to care. This includes support for major surgeries and life-threatening conditions (with pre-approval from UNHCR-BRC Health Panel), and assistance with childbirth costs. BRC also offers free services like psychosocial counseling, health education, mobile dental care, and family planning. 

 

7000 is the annual figure. In total Thailand hosts about 433,000 asylum seekers. 

 

Due to the small annual numbers of around 7000 the Thai government is able to house asylum seekers initially in detention centres. However, these are getting crowded and families are assisted by refugges assistance organizations, which no doubt also place them in hotels.

[proton]

30 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Asylum seekers in Thailand do get free medical treatment.

 

 

Asylum seekers in Thailand do get cash benefits.

 

 

Asylum seekers in Thailand do get housing provided.

 

Fantasy land

[The Cyclist]

15 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

7000 is the annual figure. In total Thailand hosts about 433,000 asylum seekers. 

 

No they don't. Thailand hosts Refugees, which is totally different to Asylum Seekers.

 

Do these 7000 a year cost the Thai taxpayers in the region of £55,000 a year each ?

 

And where are they housed ?
 

Hotels, scarce housing or in Refugee camps ?
 

Why are the UNHCR not demanding more humane treatment for those individuals, like they are trying to with the UK ?

[proton]

20 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

In Thailand  the UNHCR's partner organization, BRC, provides assistance with medical issues and access to care. This includes support for major surgeries and life-threatening conditions (with pre-approval from UNHCR-BRC Health Panel), and assistance with childbirth costs. BRC also offers free services like psychosocial counseling, health education, mobile dental care, and family planning. 

 

7000 is the annual figure. In total Thailand hosts about 433,000 asylum seekers. 

 

Due to the small annual numbers of around 7000 the Thai government is able to house asylum seekers initially in detention centres. However, these are getting crowded and families are assisted by refugges assistance organizations, which no doubt also place them in hotels.

 

Some evidence might be useful

[p414]

On 7/19/2025 at 5:48 AM, CatCage said:

Oh dear what a shame to happen to this in this little market town, I know Epping very as I used to work there when I lived in UK,

 

This entire business of welcoming and housing immigrants is getting out of hand, if the government don't put the lid on it there is going to be even more sever problems leading to riots and and civil unrest.

British people are sick of the money being spent housing them and looking after them, whilst British people get pension cuts tax increases and relegated to the bottom of housing and health care lists.

 

 

They were NEVER 'welcomed'...They were imposed.

[Zaphod Priest]

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

Well, what is the other option?

 

Since these "asylum seekers" didn't seek asylum in the first safe country they passed through, they are automatically illegal immigrants and deserve to be treated as such.

My solution:  build a giant trebuchet in Dover and immediately toss them back to France.

[Cameroni]

11 minutes ago, proton said:

 

Fantasy land

[Cameroni]

14 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

And where are they housed ?
 

Hotels, scarce housing or in Refugee camps ?
 

Why are the UNHCR not demanding more humane treatment for those individuals, like they are trying to with the UK ?

 

UNHCR are demanding this, as are many refugee and asylum NGOs. Of course since UNHCR itself provides some of the services it's criticising itself.

 

They are housed initially in detention centres, but this has come under fire due to many children being detained in the centres, and this has led to the Thai government farming out families to refugee and asylum NGOs who no doubt use hotels to provide housing.

[Cameroni]

7 minutes ago, Zaphod Priest said:

 

Since these "asylum seekers" didn't seek asylum in the first safe country they passed through, they are automatically illegal immigrants and deserve to be treated as such.

My solution:  build a giant trebuchet in Dover and immediately toss them back to France.

 

Unfortunately ascribing any particular legal status to them does not make them go away, they're still in the country. And once htey're in they have to be housed and fed. Or else they live on the beaches and parks and streets, which nobody wants.

 

And a giant trebuchet is probably not going to work.

[recom273]

2 hours ago, The Cyclist said:

 

Because that is a wonderful deterrent.

 

How about declaring a National Emergency.

 

Then getting the Army to build tented camps in remote areas. Where they can be kept securely, feed 3 times a day.

 

International convention dictates, Security, shelter and food. Not 4 star hotels, houses and a myriad of other benefits.

 

Something has to be done, maybe they should be held in camps, but do we have loads of camps available. 

 

They are housed in ex-hotels, no 4* - they have ceased to be hotels, they dont have room service or TVs, the conditions are pretty bad apparently, 3-4 to a room, no real facilities. Asylum seekers dont get houses and be specific about the myriad or benefits, I heard it was 9 quid a week, hardly enough for a packet of tobacco. Like I said, I don't disagree with controlling the asylum seekers, but this is all smoke and mirrors. Looking at news broadcasts, reading the body language of arrivals, they should just be processed in a week and sent back.

 

However, It's all a distraction, you got Farage and his crew pointing out the boats in the channel, while round the back they are building a trojan horse to give their millionaire mates, a leg up in the next election. He and they can't do a damn thing about it the boats, they will have no control over the navy. It's just manipulation, just like he manipulated the residents of Clacton to allow him to walk in to parliament, where he does nothing positive. Let's do away the ECHR that will stop the immigrants but don't mention that at the same time it will strip British workers of rights, lets just tweak the NHS a little, by everyone paying in to my mates private medical insurance company. It stinks. The migrants are just a tool.

[recom273]

27 minutes ago, Zaphod Priest said:

 

Since these "asylum seekers" didn't seek asylum in the first safe country they passed through, they are automatically illegal immigrants and deserve to be treated as such.

My solution:  build a giant trebuchet in Dover and immediately toss them back to France.

 

They don't have to seek asylum in the first safe country - this is a myth.

 

They want to come here, primarily because they hear its a good deal - apparently there's this guy with rotten teeth and no chin on the TV, he's their hero, he announces daily that they will get benefits and hotels, amazing food and they cant wait to get here. They may have family connections to the UK and they may be able to speak English, whereas they dont speak French or Greek, who could blame them.

[The Cyclist]

3 minutes ago, recom273 said:

Something has to be done, maybe they should be held in camps, but do we have loads of camps available. 

 

The Army could rig up a razor wire, tented camp, anywhere on the 1000's of Acres of Army training areas, in a week. Complete with basic toilet facilities and a slop house.

 

6 minutes ago, recom273 said:

However, It's all a distraction, you got Farage and his crew pointing out the boats in the channel, while round the back they are building a trojan horse to give their millionaire mates, a leg up in the next election. He and they can't do a damn thing about it the boats, they will have no control over the navy. It's just manipulation, just like he manipulated the residents of Clacton to allow him to walk in to parliament, where he does nothing positive. Let's do away the ECHR that will stop the immigrants but don't mention that at the same time it will strip British workers of rights, lets just tweak the NHS a little, by everyone paying in to my mates private medical insurance company. It stinks. The migrants are just a tool.

 

Anyone, from any Party advocating binning the ECHR are playing to the Gallery. No point in binning the ECHR and leaving the UK's HRA in situ.

 

They both need to go and be replaced by something that is beneficial to UK Citizens.

 

Not many Law abiding, hard working citizens have any need for either the ECHR or the HRA, there is more than enough UK Law to cover them.

 

Think about it. How many UK Citizens do you know that have had a need to run to the ECHR or need protection under the HRA, or as it's commonly known the Criminal Rights Act.

 

And none of it will make a blind bit of difference, without taking a factory worth of chainsaws and cutting the Armies of Yuman Rites Parasites into firewood ( Metaphorically, of course * )

 

* One of the bereft of Humour, Irony and Sarcasm will report me 😀😀

 

Which could all be made moot, by simply calling a National Emergency under the National Security Act, which would cut off the ECHR, the HRA and the Armies of Yuman Rites Parasites.

 

Why has this not already been done ? Your guess would be as good as mine.

 

Spineless jellyfish, spring to mind.

[proton]

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

 

UNHCR are demanding this, as are many refugee and asylum NGOs. Of course since UNHCR itself provides some of the services it's criticising itself.

 

They are housed initially in detention centres, but this has come under fire due to many children being detained in the centres, and this has led to the Thai government farming out families to refugee and asylum NGOs who no doubt use hotels to provide housing.

 

You are talking about mainly real refugees from Myanmar, totally different to the situation in the UK 

[The Cyclist]

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

 

So the Thai Government, via taxpayers, is forking out next to nothing.

 

Probably providing free of charge the land for the camps.

 

But forking out for nothing else, as it is provided by UNHCR and BCR.

 

Glad that we have cleared up that there is absolutely no comparison between Thailand and the UK.

[3NUMBAS]

The numbers flooding in are alarming, starmer I has given up,I see trouble ahead with suicide bombers unleashing mayhem all over U.K.,,no women are arriving only blokes

[JonnyF]

I certainly wouldn't want to be a woman or a child in these areas of cultural enrichment. 

 

Let's hope the government wakes up before this gets out of hand. 

 

Sad to see the UK become such a cesspit.

[Chomper Higgot]

10 hours ago, JonnyF said:

I certainly wouldn't want to be a woman or a child in these areas of cultural enrichment. 

 

Let's hope the government wakes up before this gets out of hand. 

 

Sad to see the UK become such a cesspit.

Imagine being a woman asylum seeker with children in a hotel with a angry mob of masked rightwing thugs rioting outside the front door.

 

Utterly disgraceful behaviour.

 

[actonion]

This particular problem is not about  Immigrants being Illegal , its more about one of the dirty gits Raping a young Female  which is becoming more popular among them, with them saying they did'nt realise its illegal in UK, when in their country Rape carrys the Death Penalty

[BKKBike09]

18 hours ago, 3NUMBAS said:

The numbers flooding in are alarming, starmer I has given up,I see trouble ahead with suicide bombers unleashing mayhem all over U.K.,,no women are arriving only blokes

 

God (or Allah) forbid there be any further suicide bombings.

 

If there are, the religion, ethnic background and motives of the perpetrators would doubtless be buried - as has now happened, shamefully, with the 7/7 bombings.

 

Try Googling something like "what happened in London on 7/7" and you'll find pretty much every reference makes no mention of the names of the bombers or why they did it - it's all "suicide bombers blew themselves up", as if some random people just decided to do this.

 

Nary a mention of the religious ideology that underlay their vile acts. I'm sure the great majority of Muslims in UK just want to get on with their lines in peace, but there are clearly some who have a great antipathy towards non-Muslims. That needs to be discussed and addressed, not buried to avoid giving offence.

 

It's all the more venal not to mention who they were or why they did it, given that today is the 20th anniversary of the failed second wave of attacks, planned by Ramzi Mohammed, Muktar Said Ibrahim, Yassin Omar Ismail Abdulrahman, who aimed to detonate bombs on a further three Tube trains and a bus in an attempted repeat of the 7/7 attack.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-30493640 

[James105]

19 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Imagine being a woman asylum seeker with children in a hotel with a angry mob of masked rightwing thugs rioting outside the front door.

 

Utterly disgraceful behaviour.

 

 

You will have to use your imagination as they are all fighting / raping aged males in that hotel. 

 

Imagine being a parent of a child living around the corner from that and finding out one of the rapey illegals has been sexually assaulting young girls.  

[JonnyF]

20 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Imagine being a woman asylum seeker with children in a hotel with a angry mob of masked rightwing thugs rioting outside the front door.

 

Utterly disgraceful behaviour.

 

 

Nobody is condoning "rioting", although the far right thug line is a bit OTT. Just concerned parents from the local area. 

 

But I doubt there are many women and children in there. Most of those coming are men of fighting age. 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, James105 said:

 

You will have to use your imagination as they are all fighting / raping aged males in that hotel. 

 

Imagine being a parent of a child living around the corner from that and finding out one of the rapey illegals has been sexually assaulting young girls.  

I’ve never heard the term ‘raping aged males’

 

Do you have link to what this is?

 

 

[Gsxrnz]

England, actually most of Europe except Poland and Hungary, is lost. The war is over.

 

Mass illegal immigration is a feature of the Marxist policies of the last 20 years, not a bug in the system.

 

Same is happening in Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

 

I blame democracy. 

[The Cyclist]

27 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Imagine being a woman asylum seeker with children in a hotel with a angry mob of masked rightwing thugs rioting outside the front door.

 

Can you provide evidence of any woman and children in these hotels ? I doubt very much that women and children ( the few that have arrived ) are actually housed in hotels with hordes of fighting age males.

 

Right Wing thugs ? Yes, I am sure that some of them are right wing thugs, just like Southport, the majority are just normal people sick of what is going on.

 

27 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Utterly disgraceful behaviour.

 

 

Yes it is. Sadly, this is what happens when Governments think they know better than the population, ignore their concerns, try and cover up what people can see with their own eyes.

 

The result is violence. Not Right Wing violence, just violence.

 

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’ve never heard the term ‘raping aged males’

 

But you have heard of the term " Fighting age males " and as most people are aware, rape has been part of warfare for Centuries.

 

And these people are not coming to spread love and happiness.

[Cameroni]

18 hours ago, proton said:

 

You are talking about mainly real refugees from Myanmar, totally different to the situation in the UK 

 

On the whole that's true of course, but there are bona fide refugees who come to the UK as well. Indeed to determine if someone is a bona fide refugee they first have to arrive, their case has to be investigated and in that period they need to live somewhere. So the problem of housing and feeding them would continue either way.

 

 

[Cameroni]

18 hours ago, The Cyclist said:

 

So the Thai Government, via taxpayers, is forking out next to nothing.

 

Probably providing free of charge the land for the camps.

 

But forking out for nothing else, as it is provided by UNHCR and BCR.

 

Glad that we have cleared up that there is absolutely no comparison between Thailand and the UK.

 

Certainly a lot less than the UK, since the numbers that come to the UK are much gerater. Given that the UK has vastly more resources and a much higher GDP one would expect that.

 

Yes, they provide land free of charge and money to build the camps.

 

They also built and maintain detention centres and most likely participate in funding the cash benefits and medical help the UNHCR provides.

 

But clearly Thailand pays a lot less, which is understandable since the numbers are much lower and the GDP is much lower.

[The Cyclist]

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

But clearly Thailand pays a lot less,

 

Rattling up camps instead of using Hotels and Private Rentals has that effect.

 

Makes you scratch your head, and ponder, why the screaming lunatics, who are supposed to be in charge of the UK cannot get that into their thick skulls.

 

Which would also have the added bonus, of working as a deterrent.