USA US Welcomes Qatari Gift: Fiery Debate Over New Air Force One

[newnative]

1 hour ago, mrwebb8825 said:

It was free and was needed

     Not free--at least a bilion dollars will be spent on it, likely more.  And, not needed--two other Air Force One replacements are already on the books, with almost 4 billion dollars having been spent on them by the government and at least several billion dollars extra by Boeing.  Until they arrive the current AF1s will do just fine.  This is all about Trump wanting a shiny new toy, nothing else, and it's a colossal waste of taxpayer dollars. 

[mrwebb8825]

20 hours ago, newnative said:

     Not free--at least a bilion dollars will be spent on it, likely more.  And, not needed--two other Air Force One replacements are already on the books, with almost 4 billion dollars having been spent on them by the government and at least several billion dollars extra by Boeing.  Until they arrive the current AF1s will do just fine.  This is all about Trump wanting a shiny new toy, nothing else, and it's a colossal waste of taxpayer dollars. 

The POTUS needs to be flying on the latest and greatest, not something "on the books' and "in the works". Boeing has never made a deadline or on/under budget yet when it comes to replacing AF1's.

Spending $3billion on upgrades to a new plane is cheaper than the $6 billion boeing is charging SAVING the taxpayers money. 

[Presnock]

On 7/30/2025 at 12:13 PM, Hummin said:

Cant make this bull pie up!

 

The President of the country who making Boing Receives a boing from a dictatorship as a bribe, and calls it an unconditional gift. 

 

How stupid do they think you guys are? Or? 

 

since a majority of the voting public cast their votes for him so I think that shows all just how stupid people can be.

[josephbloggs]

22 minutes ago, mrwebb8825 said:

The POTUS needs to be flying on the latest and greatest, not something "on the books' and "in the works".

The "latest and greatest" is a 13 year aircraft that has already ceased production.

[JAG]

On 7/31/2025 at 6:28 PM, Paul Henry said:

Liverpool Lou was very quick to be objectionable regarding my question calling it ridiculous.

Lou incase you are dumber than you show ? this  means that the sentence before the question mark is a QUESTION. I remember in school we were taught that there is no such thing as a ridiculus QUESTION only a ridiculus  ANSWER. This and your  dumb reply  highlights that you are probably a MAGA and as TACO says he loves the uneducated. From your unending stream of comments you like TACO know everything.

He just likes picking pedantic arguments.

[newnative]

1 hour ago, mrwebb8825 said:

The POTUS needs to be flying on the latest and greatest, not something "on the books' and "in the works". Boeing has never made a deadline or on/under budget yet when it comes to replacing AF1's.

Spending $3billion on upgrades to a new plane is cheaper than the $6 billion boeing is charging SAVING the taxpayers money. 

    Umm, you're a bit math-challenged, methinks.    Taxpayers have already spent 3.9 billion with a B on the Boeing planes.  We don't get that 3.9 billion back.  It's done been spent.  So, you want to spend another 3 billion of the taxpayers dollars on the gift plane and you somehow think the math adds up to 'SAVING the taxpayers money'?  I'm wondering how 6.9 billion vs. 3.9 billion is a SAVING for the taxpayers.  And, the gift plane isn't ready, either--it will also have to be modified.  

[JAG]

2 hours ago, mrwebb8825 said:

The POTUS needs to be flying on the latest and greatest, not something "on the books' and "in the works". Boeing has never made a deadline or on/under budget yet when it comes to replacing AF1's.

Spending $3billion on upgrades to a new plane is cheaper than the $6 billion boeing is charging SAVING the taxpayers money. 

Umh, it is not a new plane, it is a refit of an old one. The $3billion is in addition to the $6billion already spent on the two new aircraft. I understand that the deal for the two new aircraft was a fixed price contract, and the aircraft, which are being converted from two new, in stock but not used aircraft, have had to be virtually completely rewired - hence the delay; and Boeing are losing money on the job. I doubt that they will be prepared to take the same risk again!

 

So no saving of the taxpayer's money.

[mrwebb8825]

2 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

The "latest and greatest" is a 13 year aircraft that has already ceased production.

The current Air Force One aircraft, two Boeing VC-25A models, are roughly 35 years old, having been introduced in 1990 and 1991. These planes are based on the older Boeing 747-200B model. The USAF is currently working on replacing them with two new Boeing 747-8s, designated VC-25Bs, though they are not expected to enter service before 2026.

The gifted Boeing 747-8, intended to become the new Air Force One, is 13 years old, according to multiple sources. It was initially a private aircraft owned by the Qatari royal family before being gifted to the US. The US Air Force will modify the aircraft to meet military specifications before it can be used as Air Force One.

Looks like they not only have NOT ceased production but are still building the 2 on order.

Want a little bacon to go with the egg on your face? 

[newnative]

23 minutes ago, mrwebb8825 said:

The current Air Force One aircraft, two Boeing VC-25A models, are roughly 35 years old, having been introduced in 1990 and 1991. These planes are based on the older Boeing 747-200B model. The USAF is currently working on replacing them with two new Boeing 747-8s, designated VC-25Bs, though they are not expected to enter service before 2026.

The gifted Boeing 747-8, intended to become the new Air Force One, is 13 years old, according to multiple sources. It was initially a private aircraft owned by the Qatari royal family before being gifted to the US. The US Air Force will modify the aircraft to meet military specifications before it can be used as Air Force One.

Looks like they not only have NOT ceased production but are still building the 2 on order.

Want a little bacon to go with the egg on your face? 

       Boeing is not 'still building the 2 on order'.  They were built years ago and never delivered to a customer.  747 production has, indeed, 'ceased production'--no new models are being built.  Boeing is doing work on an old model, just as one can do work on an old Ford Edsel--Ford Edsels have also 'ceased production'.   Work being done on an old model of anything does not translate into the item still being in 'production'.   Want a little bacon to go with that egg on your face?

[josephbloggs]

1 hour ago, mrwebb8825 said:

The current Air Force One aircraft, two Boeing VC-25A models, are roughly 35 years old, having been introduced in 1990 and 1991. These planes are based on the older Boeing 747-200B model. The USAF is currently working on replacing them with two new Boeing 747-8s, designated VC-25Bs, though they are not expected to enter service before 2026.

The gifted Boeing 747-8, intended to become the new Air Force One, is 13 years old, according to multiple sources. It was initially a private aircraft owned by the Qatari royal family before being gifted to the US. The US Air Force will modify the aircraft to meet military specifications before it can be used as Air Force One.

Looks like they not only have NOT ceased production but are still building the 2 on order.

Want a little bacon to go with the egg on your face? 

Oh dear oh dear, that's a bit embarrassing isn't it, ending with a snarky comment when you are completely wrong.

[newbee2022]

On 7/29/2025 at 6:58 AM, webfact said:

The retrofit of the aircraft is expected to be costly, with costs potentially soaring into hundreds of millions of dollars.

Probably a lot of gold inside. Similar to the new ballroom.

Outdated same as the imperator.

I suppose the US taxpayers will be happy to donate these millions to their narcist idol.

[Purdey]

On 7/29/2025 at 6:58 AM, webfact said:

Trump expressed dissatisfaction with Boeing over delays in delivering two new Air Force Ones, considering alternate options, including the Qatari jet.

And there goes the plan to buy American. Boeing may be the original manufacturer but not buying new means financially Boeing has lost revenue.

 I am sure Qatar will not require favours from the President but will simply be treated as a favoured state.

[newnative]

46 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Probably a lot of gold inside. Similar to the new ballroom.

Outdated same as the imperator.

I suppose the US taxpayers will be happy to donate these millions to their narcist idol.

Not this US taxpayer.

[kimothai]

On 7/30/2025 at 3:05 PM, Hummin said:

Jadajadajada some bull pie the other way around, and still not willing to see the elephant in the room. You guys being toyed from one end to the another! 

 

This is about Trump accepting a gift from a dictatorship. Just chew on it for a second, and then spit it out. How does it taste? 

 

 

Tastes about the same as Biden receiving gifts from Putin!!!

[Will B Good]

1 minute ago, kimothai said:

Tastes about the same as Biden receiving gifts from Putin!!!

 

 

55555555555.....a desk and a pen versus a jet, refitted at tax payers cost and then gifted tax free via the Dept of defence.....get a grip.

[kimothai]

1 hour ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

55555555555.....a desk and a pen versus a jet, refitted at tax payers cost and then gifted tax free via the Dept of defence.....get a grip.

55555555555555555 you're just jealous because Trump got a bigger gift.555555555555555

[Will B Good]

5 hours ago, kimothai said:

55555555555555555 you're just jealous because Trump got a bigger gift.555555555555555

 

Well reckon I could just about afford to refill Biden's pen (not a euphemism) ..........couldn't even afford to refill the drinks trolley on Trump's, soon to be free, jet.

[kimothai]

3 hours ago, Will B Good said:

 

Well reckon I could just about afford to refill Biden's pen (not a euphemism) ..........couldn't even afford to refill the drinks trolley on Trump's, soon to be free, jet.

I wouldn't think the Lefties would mind since they wasted 30+ million on the "Russia, Russia, Russia" hoax (which is starting to look like hoax created by the lefties) and let's not forget, Biden paid off student loans to the tune of 189 BILLION USD.  Could have purchased 452 Boeing 747's with the money Biden pis*ed away.  

[mogandave]

Whatever is costs is worth it just to hear the lefties howling. 

 

Louder lefties, howl louder!!!!!

[mogandave]

I love the “thumbs down” emoji. It’s  a visual representation of a leftist’s howl. 

 

Kerp them coming!!!

[mogandave]

Is the broken heart an extra loud howl? 

[josephbloggs]

11 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Is the broken heart an extra loud howl? 

Does it upset snowflakes more than a thumbs down?

Genuine question: why is it the right leaning posters who get so upset over emojis? I don't recall anyone from the left leaning world ever whinging about them. Why are the right leaners so sensitive and snowflakey?

[mogandave]

1 hour ago, josephbloggs said:

Does it upset snowflakes more than a thumbs down?

Genuine question: why is it the right leaning posters who get so upset over emojis? I don't recall anyone from the left leaning world ever whinging about them. Why are the right leaners so sensitive and snowflakey?

I love getting the thumbs down 

[Will B Good]

11 hours ago, kimothai said:

I wouldn't think the Lefties would mind since they wasted 30+ million on the "Russia, Russia, Russia" hoax (which is starting to look like hoax created by the lefties) and let's not forget, Biden paid off student loans to the tune of 189 BILLION USD.  Could have purchased 452 Boeing 747's with the money Biden pis*ed away.  

 

You seem very confused.

 

It has been shown, by no less then little Mark Rubio, that there was Russian interference....so no too sure what that little blather was about.

 

In what way did Biden line his own pockets by paying off student loans?

 

You need to give your head a wobble.

[billd766]

22 hours ago, kimothai said:

Tastes about the same as Biden receiving gifts from Putin!!!

Really?

 

And just how many Boeing 747s DID ex President Biden receive from dictator Putin?

[kimothai]

52 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

You seem very confused.

 

It has been shown, by no less then little Mark Rubio, that there was Russian interference....so no too sure what that little blather was about.

 

In what way did Biden line his own pockets by paying off student loans?

 

You need to give your head a wobble.

I was simply pointing out that lefties should be no stranger to wasting money.  I never said that Biden was lining his pockets with the student loan scheme, he was simply wasting money by vote buying with the taxpayer's money. You seem to think the 747 belongs to Trump, it doesn't, it belongs to the US taxpayers.  Spending taxpayer money on a taxpayer asset for modifications is justified.  Your lack of comprehension as to what I previously said is a clear indication of what's wrong with the dumpster fire (previously known as the Democratic Party).  You should just go back to riding around in your cracked-out clown car (Carville's term) because obviously you are way beyond you comprehension level.

[kimothai]

9 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Really?

 

And just how many Boeing 747s DID ex President Biden receive from dictator Putin?

I didn't say Biden received a 747.  I said he received a gift from Putin!!  Jeez, another lefty whose comprehension level of the English language is abysmal.

 

[stevenl]

14 minutes ago, kimothai said:

I didn't say Biden received a 747.  I said he received a gift from Putin!!  Jeez, another lefty whose comprehension level of the English language is abysmal.

 

So which gift did biden teceive from putin?

[kimothai]

6 minutes ago, stevenl said:

So which gift did biden teceive from putin?

Really??  You haven't heard of Google?  Or is it that you feel entitled?  

Putin gave Biden a $12K desk and pen in 2021, one of the many gifts foreign leaders gave the president that year

[Will B Good]

49 minutes ago, kimothai said:

You seem to think the 747 belongs to Trump, it doesn't, it belongs to the US taxpayers. 

 

Again you are sadly confused.....it only belongs to the taxpayer whilst the one billion dollar refit is carried out........then it goes to the "Trump Library"......and when it does, tax free, Trump has the sole say over what happens to it.....use it, sell it, whatever.