12 minutes ago, Miloki said:

The point of the tariffs is to build up local production, not to find the cheapest beef on the planet.  

 

Or at a minimum compete on price with fair trade.

 

Not sure why this is so hard to understand?  

 

Getting the play by play, second hand, on negotiations, seems like a poor window to peer through, no?

 

At the end of the day, we're looking for improvement not complete capitulation.  But as in any negotiations, you have to be willing to walk away.

 

The USA has a positive trade balance with Australia.

 

Australia applies zero tariffs to US goods and services.

 

Tariffs are a tax on Americans. Every economist knows they add to inflation.

 

Not sure why this is so hard to understand.

 

 

4 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

The USA has a positive trade balance with Australia.

 

Australia applies zero tariffs to US goods and services.

 

Tariffs are a tax on Americans. Every economist knows they add to inflation.

 

Not sure why this is so hard to understand.

 

 

BTW, please tell me how one builds up local production in a drought. I'm sure Australian farmers would be interested.

28 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

BTW, please tell me how one builds up local production in a drought. I'm sure Australian farmers would be interested.

We can produce our own beef (always have), local droughts are not nationwide.
 

What is so hard to understand, we don't want your beef.  Frankly it tastes funny.

Trump is a dumb idiot -  end of story.

 

MAGA is dumber.

20 minutes ago, Miloki said:

We can produce our own beef (always have), local droughts are not nationwide.
 

What is so hard to understand, we don't want your beef.  Frankly it tastes funny.

I guess that's why Australia exported 400,000 tonnes of beef to America last year. This year, you'll be paying 10% more for your burgers. Enjoy.

 

Our beef tastes funny to you because it gets fed real grass, not corn laced with chemicals in feedlots. Your taste buds have got used to growth hormones.

 

This thread started as "dumbest tariff ever?". Are you trying out for dumbest post on it?

We're open to lamb, but sorry, beef is a no go. 

 

I'm sure mixed in a hamburger most will never know the difference. 

 

But any American who has had beef in Asia knows it's not the same.  Maybe its more lean or something, less cornfed marbling on a feedlot, who knows, but it's just not as good to our taste buds. Not even close.

 

 

9 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I guess that's why Australia exported 400,000 tonnes of beef to America last year. This year, you'll be paying 10% more for your burgers. Enjoy.

 

Our beef tastes funny to you because it gets fed real grass, not corn laced with chemicals in feedlots. Your taste buds have got used to growth hormones.

 

This thread started as "dumbest tariff ever?". Are you trying out for dumbest post on it?

Yes, some Australian beef is fed at Cargill feedlots, as Cargill owns a joint venture with Teys Australia, which operates feedlots in the country. The joint venture includes both companies' Australian feedlot businesses, with Cargill contributing processing plants and both companies contributing feedlots.

 

I worked for Cargill for years in the mixing room. 

6 minutes ago, Miloki said:

We're open to lamb, but sorry, beef is a no go. 

 

I'm sure mixed in a hamburger most will never know the difference. 

 

But any American who has had beef in Asia knows it's not the same.  Maybe its more lean or something, less cornfed marbling on a feedlot, who knows, but it's just not as good to our taste buds. Not even close.

 

 

If you can't tell the difference between the taste of beef and lamb, your taste buds really are shot to hell.

 

You like the fat marbling. It's one of the reasons 70% of Americans are overweight.

57 minutes ago, Miloki said:

We can produce our own beef (always have), local droughts are not nationwide.
 

What is so hard to understand, we don't want your beef.  Frankly it tastes funny.

Bad sign if your taste buds are used to hormone fed beef.

16 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

If you can't tell the difference between the taste of beef and lamb, your taste buds really are shot to hell.

 

You like the fat marbling. It's one of the reasons 70% of Americans are overweight.

Huh? I can absolutely tell the difference between beef and lamb.  I love lamb.  We don't have enough lamb in the USA which is why I suggested you continue to pursue that specialty of yours.

 

But we part ways on the rest of your suggestion.  The reason Americans are so fat is because the price of beef is so high compared to processed foods.  If everyone ate steak everyday we would be trim and in active  shape.

 

That's the goal, we'll see if we can pull it off.  Hence the concern of relying on a country that is still part of the UK Common Wealth and subservient to the King, even if it tasted the same.

 

8 minutes ago, Miloki said:

Huh? I can absolutely tell the difference between beef and lamb.  I love lamb.  We don't have enough lamb in the USA which is why I suggested you continue to pursue that specialty of yours.

 

But we part ways on the rest of your suggestion.  The reason Americans are so fat is because the price of beef is so high compared to processed foods.  If everyone ate steak everyday we would be trim and in active  shape.

 

That's the goal, we'll see if we can pull it off.  Hence the concern of relying on a country that is still part of the UK Common Wealth and subservient to the King, even if it tasted the same.

 

So adding 10% to the price of beef will have Americans eating more of it?

Totally agree on processed food.

 

You import $440 billion from a totalitarian regime, and you are worried about dependence on the $4 billion of beef we send you? Do you know what a sense of proportion is?

 

FYI, I regard the Commonwealth and the British Royal Family as a dysfunctional and anachronistic relic, and I wish Australians would grow up.

4 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

You import $440 billion from a totalitarian regime, and you are worried about dependence on the $4 billion of beef we send you? Do you know what a sense of proportion is?

 

100% agree the $440B is insane and that is the primary target.  But I'm sorry, 100% USA beef for Americans is nothing I'm ashamed of.  You got all of Asia for your beef, quit bitching.  We'll take your lamb. 🙂

Re: commonweath - I think you might have to choose sides, similar to Canada.  The UK has burned bridges that I'm not sure can be rebuilt. Trying to suck us into fighting the Russians in Ukraine being one of those.  This is an ongoing pattern that many Americans are starting to take notice of.  The authoritarianism is another.  Not sure where you all stand on these type issues but COVID was a major disappointment. What happened to the pride of the penal colony?

41 minutes ago, Miloki said:

If everyone ate steak everyday we would be trim and in active shape 

Lol, dumbest post of the day.

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

Lol, dumbest post of the day.

Says anyone who has never done a no carb, low carb, keto diet.

2 minutes ago, Miloki said:

Says anyone who has never done a no carb, low carb, keto diet.

You have no idea.

2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

You have no idea.

So please do tell us about the problems you had managing your weight, how avoiding carbs didn't help you, and what you did to be in the great shape you are today.  What was the BMI you started with and what is it today?

40 minutes ago, Miloki said:

So please do tell us about the problems you had managing your weight, how avoiding carbs didn't help you, and what you did to be in the great shape you are today.  What was the BMI you started with and what is it today?

Let's start at the beginning. Which was your claim 'If everyone ate steak everyday we would be trim and in active shape'. Looking forward to your substantiation.

My claim is simple.  Sugar and it's higher form, carbohydrates, especially as expressed in processed foods is killing people.  The obesity in the USA is directly and primarily caused by this.

 

Whether or not eating pure unadulterated protein in the form of STEAK, pork, chicken, fish, eggs is the best possible diet is irrelevant.  It is absolutely the best way to avoid these carbs, and the win in avoiding these carbs is unmatched in it's benefits by any other diet.

5 minutes ago, Miloki said:

Sugar and it's higher form, carbohydrates, especially as expressed in processed foods is killing people. 

Agreed. Now please substantiate your claim.

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1 minute ago, stevenl said:

Agreed. Now please substantiate your claim.

I'm not your personal assistant. You claimed my comment about steak was the dumbest post of the day. Now you kind of agree but want me to clap or something.  You have multiple options from grok to openai to dive further into this.  Go dig, it's an interesting subject where current consensus might differ from what we have read in newspapers over the last few decades.  Personally I think the issue is, does eating carbs make you eat more carbs or does protein make you eat less carbs.  But do your own research.

4 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Yes, some Australian beef is fed at Cargill feedlots, as Cargill owns a joint venture with Teys Australia, which operates feedlots in the country. The joint venture includes both companies' Australian feedlot businesses, with Cargill contributing processing plants and both companies contributing feedlots.

 

I worked for Cargill for years in the mixing room. 

What was being fed to them?

 

AFAIK Top End beef is free-range grass fed, unless they are being trucked to Queensland and NSW for fattening.

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

What was being fed to them?

 

AFAIK Top End beef is free-range grass fed, unless they are being trucked to Queensland and NSW for fattening.

I don't think  top level steak houses typically serve free range beef.  Raising cattle in an unhealthy way makes for flavorful and tender beef. For what it's worth, I like free range beef. The fat has a kind of gamey flavor not found in feedlot beef. But it tends to be a lot tougher, which is not a highly prized attribute in the marketplace.

6 minutes ago, annotator said:

I don't think  top level steak houses typically serve free range beef.  Raising cattle in an unhealthy way makes for flavorful and tender beef. For what it's worth, I like free range beef. The fat has a kind of gamey flavor not found in feedlot beef. But it tends to be a lot tougher, which is not a highly prized attribute in the marketplace.

It depends on where it comes from in Australia. Grass-fed beef from the Top End eats native grasses which are as tough as old boots.

 

OTOH, grass-fed beef eye filet from Gippsland is so tender you can cut it with a fork. It has no fat marbling.

3 hours ago, Miloki said:

100% agree the $440B is insane and that is the primary target.  But I'm sorry, 100% USA beef for Americans is nothing I'm ashamed of.  You got all of Asia for your beef, quit bitching.  We'll take your lamb. 🙂

Re: commonweath - I think you might have to choose sides, similar to Canada.  The UK has burned bridges that I'm not sure can be rebuilt. Trying to suck us into fighting the Russians in Ukraine being one of those.  This is an ongoing pattern that many Americans are starting to take notice of.  The authoritarianism is another.  Not sure where you all stand on these type issues but COVID was a major disappointment. What happened to the pride of the penal colony?

You'd soon notice if we stopped exporting beef to you.

 

In 23/24, we exported $213 billion in minerals and food to China. Our exports to America were about $40 billion. Who should we treat as a more valuable customer?

 

As far as COVID goes, Australia had one of the lowest death rates per capita. America had one of the highest. Trump's maskless rallies and endorsement of quack remedies probably helped the death rate along.

16 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

It depends on where it comes from in Australia. Grass-fed beef from the Top End eats native grasses which are as tough as old boots.

 

OTOH, grass-fed beef eye filet from Gippsland is so tender you can cut it with a fork. It has no fat marbling.

Filet shouldn't have marbling. It's a very lean cut. Personally, I don't much care for it. I think it has a lot less flavor than other cuts such as ribeye. Here's what AI says about it:

"Yes, beef filet mignon is generally considered a lean cut of beef. It comes from the tenderloin, which is the least exercised part of the cow, making it naturally tender and relatively low in fat, according to Beef - It's What's For Dinner. Filet mignon is prized for its tenderness and delicate flavor, making it a popular choice for those seeking a leaner steak option."

And from the Maya Clinic:

"Beef — Tenderloin (filet mignon) and 93% lean ground beef are the leanest options. Sirloin is a second-best option."

https://connect.mayoclinic.org/blog/take-charge-healthy-aging/newsfeed-post/choosing-lean-cuts-of-meat/

1 minute ago, annotator said:

Filet shouldn't have marbling. It's a very lean cut. Personally, I don't much care for it. I think it has a lot less flavor than other cuts such as ribeye. Here's what AI says about it:

"Yes, beef filet mignon is generally considered a lean cut of beef. It comes from the tenderloin, which is the least exercised part of the cow, making it naturally tender and relatively low in fat, according to Beef - It's What's For Dinner. Filet mignon is prized for its tenderness and delicate flavor, making it a popular choice for those seeking a leaner steak option."

And from the Maya Clinic:

"Beef — Tenderloin (filet mignon) and 93% lean ground beef are the leanest options. Sirloin is a second-best option."

https://connect.mayoclinic.org/blog/take-charge-healthy-aging/newsfeed-post/choosing-lean-cuts-of-meat/

If you like marbled meat, you should try water buffalo.

 

I had it regularly in Timor, when it was still a Portuguese colony. Always fried in coconut oil, which added to the taste.

On 8/2/2025 at 10:56 PM, ThreeCardMonte said:

The dumbest tariffs are the ones living in the heads of forum leftists 24/7/365.

 

Manic OBSESSION is not healthy, leftists.

 

 

Your type of mentality would.......

8 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

If you like marbled meat, you should try water buffalo.

 

I had it regularly in Timor, when it was still a Portuguese colony. Always fried in coconut oil, which added to the taste.

I actually maybe what was the beefiest and most delicious cut ever when I dined on water buffalo in Luang Prabang at a French restaurant.

47 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

What was being fed to them?

 

AFAIK Top End beef is free-range grass fed, unless they are being trucked to Queensland and NSW for fattening.

Cargill is world wide  Privately owned.  

Every customer had a specific feed code. 

 

So don't to self righteous about your beef.