U.K. EV values fall off a cliff

[Bandersnatch]

27 minutes ago, wavodavo said:

What a nice looking car and good luck to you  but have you thought about the resale value say in 5 years time and you want to upgrade and the battery is at half it's life.? I dougt anyone would want it and if they did you wouldn't get much for it.How much is a new battery and what happens when these Chinese car makers go bust and you need parts ?

 

The car comes with 8 years warranty on the car and battery which is guaranteed to have at least 70% capacity. It also comes with 8 years of free servicing and breakdown cover.

 

The car has a massive 85kWh gross battery which I use to power my house and it means I don't need PEA. I plan to keep the car for at least 8 years.

 

 

[transam]

1 minute ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

The car comes with 8 years warranty on the car and battery which is guaranteed to have at least 70% capacity. It also comes with 8 years of free servicing and breakdown cover.

 

The car has a massive 85kWh gross battery which I used to power my house which means I don't need PEA. I plan to keep the car for at least 8 years.

 

 

Then give it away.......?  🤔

[carlyai]

5 minutes ago, transam said:

Then give it away.......?  🤔

In 8 years time ...probably a cheap refurbish available. 

In Australia now there is a waste company that is connecting up these older EV batteries and using their power, before they dismantle them.

 

[transam]

2 minutes ago, carlyai said:

In 8 years time ...probably a cheap refurbish available. 

In Australia now there is a waste company that is connecting up these older EV batteries and using their power, before they dismantle them.

 

I was just thinking, how much would a benzine Toyota car be worth at 8 years old, I think still a healthy amount.......🤗

[Bandersnatch]

17 minutes ago, transam said:

Then give it away.......?  🤔

 

"give it away" are you a completely mad?

 

After 8 years the 85kWh gross battery will be warranteed  have at least 60kWh or 4.5 Tesla Powerwalls of energy storage, but based on the fact that after nearly 2 years of ownership it's not showing any loss of range, it will probably have much more capacity than that.

 

[transam]

Just now, Bandersnatch said:

 

"give it away" are you a completely mad?

 

After 8 years the 85kWh gross battery will be warranteed  have at least 60kWh or 4.5 Tesla Powerwalls of energy storage, but based on the fact that after nearly 2 years of ownership it's not showing any loss of range, it will probably have much more capacity than that.

 

You are 'assuming' at 8 years old, you don't know until you get there...............🤔

[Bandersnatch]

9 minutes ago, transam said:

I was just thinking, how much would a benzine Toyota car be worth at 8 years old, I think still a healthy amount.......🤗

 

 

They are worth the same as a new one - it's incredible

 

 

 

[Bandersnatch]

5 minutes ago, transam said:

You are 'assuming' at 8 years old, you don't know until you get there...............🤔

 

It's guaranteed to be worth at least 4.5 Tesla Powerwalls - try running your house using a Camry!

[transam]

1 minute ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

It's guaranteed to be worth at least 4.5 Tesla Powerwalls - try running your house using a Camry!

I don't think most motorists would even think about that.........🤭

[Bandersnatch]

4 minutes ago, transam said:

I don't think most motorists would even think about that.........🤭

 

Fossil thinking

[transam]

Just now, Bandersnatch said:

 

Fossil thinking

No, more like resale value.  🤑

 

I reckon most folk in this country would not give a thought about EV battery longevity, just a car that makes no noise and saves paying out for benzine, ticks all the boxes, but do not realise the battery is the car. 🥺

[Bandersnatch]

6 minutes ago, transam said:

No, more like resale value.  🤑

 

I reckon most folk in this country would not give a thought about EV battery longevity, just a car that makes no noise and saves paying out for benzine, ticks all the boxes, but do not realise the battery is the car. 🥺

 

EV haters think that EV batteries are the same as the one in their iPhone.

 

BYD taxi EV E6 717 000km, first battery 20% degradation - Video is in Chinese with English subs

[transam]

3 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

EV haters think that EV batteries are the same as the one in their iPhone.

 

BYD taxi EV E6 717 000km, first battery 20% degradation - Video is in Chinese with English subs

I think you mean,"EV questionnaires", not haters, that's daft........🙄

[Bandersnatch]

14 minutes ago, transam said:

I think you mean,"EV questionnaires", not haters, that's daft........🙄

 

EV owners get a lot of hate from ignorant fossils who definitely don't have 717,000km of driving left in them. 

 

"have you thought about the resale value say in 5 years time and you want to upgrade and the battery is at half it's life.?" 

 

No I haven't thought that because that's just plain dumb

[BritManToo]

8 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

"have you thought about the resale value say in 5 years time and you want to upgrade and the battery is at half it's life.?" 

 

No I haven't thought that because that's just plain dumb

And I haven't thought about that because my life expectancy is another 4-5 years.

[transam]

Just now, Bandersnatch said:

 

EV owners get a lot of hate from ignorant fossils who definitely don't have 717,000km of driving left in them. 

 

"have you thought about the resale value say in 5 years time and you want to upgrade and the battery is at half it's life.?" 

 

No I haven't thought that because that's just plain dumb

I think you just have a phobia.....🥴

One cannot post a point or question here because you think I/we are somehow EV haters, which is daft......🤥

[BritManToo]

8 minutes ago, transam said:

I think you just have a phobia.....🥴

One cannot post a point or question here because you think I/we are somehow EV haters, which is daft......🤥

I think you're just a hater, not sure if the EV part is relevant.

[vinny41]

EV batteries do fail within the warranty period regardless of which country manufacturers the battery

Nissan leaf 40kwh battery produced in UK, Japan and Smyrna, Tennessee USA

in recent years Nissan USA have launched a buyback scheme to buyback Nissan leaf's that have degraded as Nissan is having supply chain issues and battery replacement is taking between 9+ months for certain models

Nissan failed to repair a brand-new Leaf with a failed 40-kilowatt-hour battery.

The car sat at the dealer for months.

Eventually, Nissan bought back the car from the owner and offered another, brand-new Leaf.

https://insideevs.com/news/740026/nissan-leaf-bricked-buyback/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/BayLeafs

[Bandersnatch]

3 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Nissan leaf

 

The Nissan Leaf is probably the worst example of an EV to choose. The car was released in 2009, in terms of EV technology it's from the dark ages.

 

It's battery chemistry over the years has been Lithium manganese oxide; Lithium nickel oxide and Nickel Manganese Cobalt but they never used the newer and more reliable Lithium Iron Phosphate chemistry used in BYDs.

 

The car has never had active liquid battery cooling. Their batteries are literally air-cooled! The battery cooling was so bad that it led to the the phrase "Rapidgate" where frequent rapid charging caused the battery to overheat so badly that charging speeds were dramatically reduced.

 

3 hours ago, vinny41 said:

EV batteries do fail within the warranty period regardless of which country manufacturers the battery

 

You provided no evidence to support this statement.

 

I am an active participant in EV forums and groups and see no evidence of battery problems in modern EVs. I have however, seen evidence of Nissan Leaf brickings and would frankly would never recommend buying one no matter how cheap it was.

 

[vinny41]

20 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

The Nissan Leaf is probably the worst example of an EV to choose. The car was released in 2009, in terms of EV technology it's from the dark ages.

 

It's battery chemistry over the years has been Lithium manganese oxide; Lithium nickel oxide and Nickel Manganese Cobalt but they never used the newer and more reliable Lithium Iron Phosphate chemistry used in BYDs.

 

The car has never had active liquid battery cooling. Their batteries are literally air-cooled! The battery cooling was so bad that it led to the the phrase "Rapidgate" where frequent rapid charging caused the battery to overheat so badly that charging speeds were dramatically reduced.

 

 

You provided no evidence to support this statement.

 

I am an active participant in EV forums and groups and see no evidence of battery problems in modern EVs. I have however, seen evidence of Nissan Leaf brickings and would frankly would never recommend buying one no matter how cheap it was.

 

The evidence is there in the links

Nissan failed to repair a brand-new Leaf with a failed 40-kilowatt-hour battery.

The car sat at the dealer for months.

Eventually, Nissan bought back the car from the owner and offered another, brand-new Leaf.

https://insideevs.com/news/740026/nissan-leaf-bricked-buyback/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/BayLeafs

Why would Nissan buyback a car unless there was a serious fault which they were unable to fix

Nissan Recalls 24,000 Leaf EVs Over Battery Fire Risk

 

[Bandersnatch]

17 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

The evidence is there in the links

 

I only see evidence for the Nissan Leaf (which I don't dispute) not for other EV manufacturers, or maybe I misunderstood your post, in which case, my apologies 

 

4 hours ago, vinny41 said:

EV batteries do fail within the warranty period regardless of which country manufacturers the battery

 

[vinny41]

1 minute ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

I only see evidence for the Nissan Leaf (which I don't dispute) not for other EV manufacturers, or maybe I misunderstood your post, in which case, my apologies 

 

 

we have seen recent recalls for issues with the Battery

1) 

BMW Recalls 12,535 Electric Mini Coopers Due to Faulty Batteries

Recall documents show that 2020–2024 Cooper SE models were produced with battery components that may not have been up to production specifications.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a62018999/mini-cooper-se-faulty-battery-recall/

2) JAGUAR is recalling a small number of earlier-build I-Pace electric SUVs due to "multiple technical issues" that elevate the risk of battery fires.

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1142653_jaguar-recalls-early-i-pace-evs-over-fire-risk

3) VW recalls nearly 14,000 Audi e-trons and ID.4 SUVs for battery charging problem

The presence of condensation on the printed circuit board of the EV’s integrated DC/DC-converter may cause a short due to insufficient protective coating.

https://www.automotivedive.com/news/vw-recalls-id4-audi-etron-nhtsa-battery-issue/742344/

[Bandersnatch]

20 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

we have seen recent recalls for issues with the Battery

1) 

BMW Recalls 12,535 Electric Mini Coopers Due to Faulty Batteries

Recall documents show that 2020–2024 Cooper SE models were produced with battery components that may not have been up to production specifications.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a62018999/mini-cooper-se-faulty-battery-recall/

2) JAGUAR is recalling a small number of earlier-build I-Pace electric SUVs due to "multiple technical issues" that elevate the risk of battery fires.

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1142653_jaguar-recalls-early-i-pace-evs-over-fire-risk

3) VW recalls nearly 14,000 Audi e-trons and ID.4 SUVs for battery charging problem

The presence of condensation on the printed circuit board of the EV’s integrated DC/DC-converter may cause a short due to insufficient protective coating.

https://www.automotivedive.com/news/vw-recalls-id4-audi-etron-nhtsa-battery-issue/742344/

 

All NMC battery chemistry. Recalls are not the same as battery failures 

[JBChiangRai]

Vinny is a regular contributor here, I'm sure he is aware of the shortcomings with Nissan Leaf's traction batteries, we've discussed them many times.

 

You don't do yourself any favours Vinny by pushing narratives you know are economical with the truth, it's a consistent theme with your posts.

[vinny41]

3 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

Vinny is a regular contributor here, I'm sure he is aware of the shortcomings with Nissan Leaf's traction batteries, we've discussed them many times.

 

You don't do yourself any favours Vinny by pushing narratives you know are economical with the truth, it's a consistent theme with your posts.

I always thought the purpose of this forum was to provide information and as such while you and I maybe aware of the issues with the Nissan leaf batteries although it should be said there are many different generations of the leaf ranging from Gen 1 through to current Gen 5 and with  total sales of the leaf worldwide from

August 2023 and many Nissans are still operating on the original battery

Since its launch in December 2010, the Nissan LEAF has sold more than 650,000 units worldwide. The model, currently sold in approximately 50 markets centering on Japan, the U.S. and Europe, continues to be highly evaluated by customers around the globe and has won numerous, prestigious awards in multiple markets.

https://www.mreport.co.th/en/news/statistic-and-ranking/307-nissan-ev-global-sales-surpass-1-million-units

 

Nissan LEAF named ‘Best Used Family Electric Car’ at 2022 Carbuyer Car of the Year Awards

Previous Used Car Awards for the second-generation Nissan LEAF (2018>)

2021 – What Car? Electric Car Awards – ‘Best Used Electric Family Car’

2021 – Electrifying.com Awards – ‘Best Used Electric Car’

2020 – DrivingElectric Awards – ‘Best Used Electric Car’

2020 – What Car? Used Car of the Year Awards - ‘Used Electric Car of the Year’

2019 – DrivingElectric Awards – ‘Best Used Electric Car’

 

I am aware that you like to control the content narrative on this forum in relationship as to what can be discuss with electric cars and what shouldn't be discussed but this is a forum for everyone including people that aren't aware of the issues with Nissan Leaf's batteries 

 

[JBChiangRai]

All I am saying Vinny is don't be economical with the truth.

 

You could have said that there are known problems with the Nissan Leaf batteries that don't extend to other cars (with the exception of the Chevy Volt), you know the problem is air cooling, but you conveniently left that out.

 

I don't want to control any narrative, I just want full details giving without withholding pertinent data that results in misleading people.

[josephbloggs]

23 hours ago, transam said:

I think you just have a phobia.....🥴

One cannot post a point or question here because you think I/we are somehow EV haters, which is daft......🤥

Disrupts every EV thread with nonsense. If that is not an EV hater then perhaps we just settle on EV troll. 

[transam]

23 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Disrupts every EV thread with nonsense. If that is not an EV hater then perhaps we just settle on EV troll. 

Oh, dear, another that doesn't like questions, but not surprised in your case.......

[josephbloggs]

21 minutes ago, transam said:

Oh, dear, another that doesn't like questions, but not surprised in your case.......

 

Oh yeah, all those interesting, intellectual stimulating questions of yours, of course.

 

 

On 8/8/2025 at 11:13 AM, transam said:

Then give it away.......?  🤔

 

 

 

 

 

[vinny41]

14 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

All I am saying Vinny is don't be economical with the truth.

 

You could have said that there are known problems with the Nissan Leaf batteries that don't extend to other cars (with the exception of the Chevy Volt), you know the problem is air cooling, but you conveniently left that out.

 

I don't want to control any narrative, I just want full details giving without withholding pertinent data that results in misleading people.

There are at least 3 EV's brands that do air cooling Nissan leaf Gen 1 and 2 Kia Soul and lexus ev ux 300e

Nissan Leaf Gen 3 which now comes with liquid cooling ( I think you posted this information in 2023)

There have been a number of reports that the leaf 24 kWh suffers 30% less degradation than the 30 kwh

Analysis of 1382 measures of battery State of Health (SoH) from 283 Nissan Leafs (“Leaf/s”), manufactured between 2011 and 2017, has detected a faster rate of decline in this measure of energy-holding capacity for 30 kWh variants.

At two years of age, the mean rate of decline of SoH of 30 kWh Leafs was 9.9% per annum (95% uncertainty interval of 8.7% to 11.1%; n = 82). This was around three times the rate of decline of 24 kWh Leafs which at two years averaged 3.1% per annum (95% uncertainty interval of 2.9% to 3.3%; n = 201).

https://insideevs.com/news/337439/nissan-issues-statement-on-leaf-30-kwh-battery-degradation/

Interesting reviews from Bjørn Nyland on

Evniculus 2nd gen CHAdeMO-CCS adapter tested on Nissan Leaf 40 kWh allows Leaf to charge on super chargers

And 2018 Nissan Leaf 40 kWh 500 km challenge

Uk buyers that want to try an EV for a budget of £5,000 or less the majority of EV's are Nissan leaf or Renault Zoe with the battery on lease option

145 Nissan leafs on autotrader between £1,500 and £5,000 Renault Zoe 76 and the other brands single figures

Posting every single bit of information would result in posts that are the size of war and peace

I post information and I expect forum members if they weren't aware of any issues to do their own research and see if the issue is relevant to them or not

A few years ago I posted potential water ingress on a gen 1 EV one member PM me he checked the various facebook groups and confirmed it seems to be an issued at the time gen 2 was launched with a different battery design and a huge price reduction due to EV 3.0 subsidy so for him it was a no-brainer to go for gen 2 model instead of gen 1