UK Sudanese Migrant 'Tried to Snatch Girl in Front of Dad'

[sikishrory]

17 minutes ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

"Sense" ?

 

 

I think that you may have identified a key failing in the UK at the moment.

Rhetorical question. 

[The Cyclist]

22 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

 

Have a look at what 'The Centre for Migration Control' actually is, who's behind it and then get back to me!

 

Does it really matter who they are ? They are totally correct, in that inward migration to the UK, both legal and illegal needs sorting out PDQ.

 

Are you disputing the graph ?
 

Then take it up with the Centre for Migration and the news Channels that have reported it.

 

In typical fashion, the source needs to be attacked at all costs, whilst totally ignoring the message.

 

Those in denial, had best look at live feeds that are freely available on many platforms, including youtube, and see for themselves, what is happening on the ground.

 

Denial, obfuscation and trying to stifle the reality, that many face on a daily basis, will eventually result, in mass Civil unrest.

 

And guess who will be to blame for that ?
 

Not the people engaged in mass Civil unrest, but the people who lie, deny, obfuscate and try to shut down legitimate concerns of UK Ctizens, by branding them Right Wing, XRM, racists, phobes and all sorts of ists and isms.

 

That ship has sailed, mass demonstrations are now taking place on a daily basis, it just needs a spark to ignite it into, something much worse

 

When that happens, for those that the cap fits. I hope they wear that cap with pride.

 

[DaveBart]

Illegal immigrants get to stay in 3 and 4 star hotels while some of our ex squadies have to live on the streets, come the day of reckoning I hope the armed forces remember that

[brewsterbudgen]

27 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

Does it really matter who they are ? They are totally correct, in that inward migration to the UK, both legal and illegal needs sorting out PDQ.

 

Are you disputing the graph ?
 

Then take it up with the Centre for Migration and the news Channels that have reported it.

 

In typical fashion, the source needs to be attacked at all costs, whilst totally ignoring the message.

 

Those in denial, had best look at live feeds that are freely available on many platforms, including youtube, and see for themselves, what is happening on the ground.

 

Denial, obfuscation and trying to stifle the reality, that many face on a daily basis, will eventually result, in mass Civil unrest.

 

And guess who will be to blame for that ?
 

Not the people engaged in mass Civil unrest, but the people who lie, deny, obfuscate and try to shut down legitimate concerns of UK Ctizens, by branding them Right Wing, XRM, racists, phobes and all sorts of ists and isms.

 

That ship has sailed, mass demonstrations are now taking place on a daily basis, it just needs a spark to ignite it into, something much worse

 

When that happens, for those that the cap fits. I hope they wear that cap with pride.

 

Yes, it does matter if there is no evidence to support the 'statistics'.

 

I don't have the time, but some have investigated these statistics and it makes interesting reading:

 

This data came from the Centre for Migration Control, seemingly through a freedom of information request to the MOJ.

I had not heard of CMC so looked them up, I’m very confused by what I found.

CMC describe themselves as “a think tank committed to controlling and reducing migration to Britain” The website has no information on members, employees etc anything like that.

They have 11 published research reports, 3 of these 11 cannot be opened. All are written by a man called Robert Bates who refers to himself as the Research Director.

Centre for Migration Control is the trading name of Athelney Campaigns Ltd

Athelney Campaigns Ltd is a private limited company, incorporated in March 2024. They have one listed individual.

The director Robert Bates.

His is the only name I can find connected to the company.

I attempted to look for the data from the FOI on the CMC website, but couldn’t find it so looked thought all the FOI requests to the MOJ that are public.

I found a few requesting data in some way referring to nationality/immigration status etc and criminality. All were still being processed or had been refused.

Interestingly I found three requests from a Rob Bates. I can’t say if it’s the same man. But these were the three requests;

“Translation, interpretation and language services costs” “Deportation orders against foreign criminals” “Expenditure on equality, diversity and inclusivity”

Sorta seems like it could be him.

What I can actually find on Robert Bates is odd.

One report on the CMC website ends with “Robert Bates, Research Director at the Centre for Migration Control said: quote from Robert”

Robert Bates wrote that and every other report, he’s quoting himself.

The CMC supposed “data and research” has been used by a number of papers, mainly the Sun, the daily express and GBnews (no surprise there)

But anything I can find either comes from already released data or from FOI requests by the CMC which I can find no evidence of. Which even for this lot is reckless.

CMC has 11.2k followers on Twitter (X). Robert Bates has appeared on GBnews multiple times

He was supposedly the research executive for Get Britain Out. And a researcher for Campaign for Democratic Trade, who I can only find on Twitter (X)and have 6 followers

This is what I’ve been able to find. It seems like you run around in circles. Almost everything on Bates is claims from news reports, no one else seems to be connected to CMC and I there doesn’t appear to be any evidence of the data they supposedly received through a FOI request

[The Cyclist]

5 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Yes, it does matter if there is no evidence to support the 'statistics'.

 

If the statistics were false.

 

You can bet your last quid, that the Starmertroopers would already have burst their doors down, they would have been up in Court, and already be behind bars, for posting hurty words.

 

But you keep focusing on trying to attack the messenger, whilst blatantly ignoring the message.

 

6 hours ago, The Cyclist said:

Those in denial, had best look at live feeds that are freely available on many platforms, including youtube, and see for themselves, what is happening on the ground.

 

Denial, obfuscation and trying to stifle the reality, that many face on a daily basis, will eventually result, in mass Civil unrest.

 

And guess who will be to blame for that ?

 

You appear to be rather silent on the subject matter. 

 

[MarkyM3]

On 8/4/2025 at 7:13 AM, sungod said:

 

Is that really the best you can do? 

 

Smash the gangs then, Starmer has failed in that too. 

Chomper has a selective memory as you've surmised. Only ever turns up on politics threads on this forum to defend the cause of socialism - highly predictable in that regard 😄 

 

They did indeed talk about "smashing the gangs" when campaigning for election and rightly criticised the abject failure of the Conservatives in this area, while conveniently forgetting they themselves had opposed every initiative to try and stop illegal immigration including the Rwanda scheme (which they've since had a look into resurrecting via Albania and were promptly told to FO by their PM - Italy have that one sewn up). Starmer repeatedly talked about "smashing the gangs" - absolute BS as everyone knew, even the ex head of the Border Force said so in an interview. These gangs clearly have far more nous than Keir and his gang. 

 

The best they can come up with is a 50 in, 50 out per week scheme - and only on a trial basis. And the UK public is expected to see that as a win. Not really gonna fly is it when some days we are seeing nearly 1000 mostly men of fighting age, who are economic migrants from alien cultures masquerading as refugees, pitching up in the UK courtesy of the RNLI and Border Force taxi boats fully briefed on what they think they can expect from the govt.

 

Truth is Starmer has no real plan. Expect more social unrest as time goes on.  

[MarkyM3]

16 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Yes, it does matter if there is no evidence to support the 'statistics'.

 

I don't have the time, but some have investigated these statistics and it makes interesting reading:

 

This data came from the Centre for Migration Control, seemingly through a freedom of information request to the MOJ.

I had not heard of CMC so looked them up, I’m very confused by what I found.

CMC describe themselves as “a think tank committed to controlling and reducing migration to Britain” The website has no information on members, employees etc anything like that.

They have 11 published research reports, 3 of these 11 cannot be opened. All are written by a man called Robert Bates who refers to himself as the Research Director.

Centre for Migration Control is the trading name of Athelney Campaigns Ltd

Athelney Campaigns Ltd is a private limited company, incorporated in March 2024. They have one listed individual.

The director Robert Bates.

His is the only name I can find connected to the company.

I attempted to look for the data from the FOI on the CMC website, but couldn’t find it so looked thought all the FOI requests to the MOJ that are public.

I found a few requesting data in some way referring to nationality/immigration status etc and criminality. All were still being processed or had been refused.

Interestingly I found three requests from a Rob Bates. I can’t say if it’s the same man. But these were the three requests;

“Translation, interpretation and language services costs” “Deportation orders against foreign criminals” “Expenditure on equality, diversity and inclusivity”

Sorta seems like it could be him.

What I can actually find on Robert Bates is odd.

One report on the CMC website ends with “Robert Bates, Research Director at the Centre for Migration Control said: quote from Robert”

Robert Bates wrote that and every other report, he’s quoting himself.

The CMC supposed “data and research” has been used by a number of papers, mainly the Sun, the daily express and GBnews (no surprise there)

But anything I can find either comes from already released data or from FOI requests by the CMC which I can find no evidence of. Which even for this lot is reckless.

CMC has 11.2k followers on Twitter (X). Robert Bates has appeared on GBnews multiple times

He was supposedly the research executive for Get Britain Out. And a researcher for Campaign for Democratic Trade, who I can only find on Twitter (X)and have 6 followers

This is what I’ve been able to find. It seems like you run around in circles. Almost everything on Bates is claims from news reports, no one else seems to be connected to CMC and I there doesn’t appear to be any evidence of the data they supposedly received through a FOI request

Perhaps you can look into quoting stats from the the OBR - who produce official statistics for the government. 

 

Those clearly indicate that the average low skilled migrant consumes £hundreds of thousands more in transfer payments than they contribute to the UK economy over their lifetime. Not many doctors and engineers to be found in that group of high achievers. That's aside from all the social costs of uncontrolled migration such as strain on public services, population density, lack of social integration and the like. Not the narrative the BBC and Grauniad like to offer up. 

 

Companies like Dominos Pizza love these types of employees - pay them minimum wage, the rest of their incomes and benefits are propped up by the government i.e. funded by taxpayers like myself. I recall the CEO of Dominos begging the Conservative government not to increase the minimum work permit salary because it directly threatened their business model.

 

It went ahead anyways but only seems to have partially worked - my local barber in the UK is entirely staffed by Kurds from the same village, all with families in tow, and I have to wonder how they are/were all earning enough to qualify for a work permit cutting mens hair and why there was no option of finding someone in the UK to earn the WP salary of £37k+. More like a temporary fiddle via money laundering etc. until they got ILR 

 

[sungod]

8 hours ago, MarkyM3 said:

Chomper has a selective memory as you've surmised. Only ever turns up on politics threads on this forum to defend the cause of socialism - highly predictable in that regard 😄 

 

They did indeed talk about "smashing the gangs" when campaigning for election and rightly criticised the abject failure of the Conservatives in this area, while conveniently forgetting they themselves had opposed every initiative to try and stop illegal immigration including the Rwanda scheme (which they've since had a look into resurrecting via Albania and were promptly told to FO by their PM - Italy have that one sewn up). Starmer repeatedly talked about "smashing the gangs" - absolute BS as everyone knew, even the ex head of the Border Force said so in an interview. These gangs clearly have far more nous than Keir and his gang. 

 

The best they can come up with is a 50 in, 50 out per week scheme - and only on a trial basis. And the UK public is expected to see that as a win. Not really gonna fly is it when some days we are seeing nearly 1000 mostly men of fighting age, who are economic migrants from alien cultures masquerading as refugees, pitching up in the UK courtesy of the RNLI and Border Force taxi boats fully briefed on what they think they can expect from the govt.

 

Truth is Starmer has no real plan. Expect more social unrest as time goes on.  

 

Why they cant house these men of fighting age in illegal migrant holding camps rather in hotels/houses with handouts is beyond me. That would be a deterrent in itself.

 

They stay in better accommodation than I did whilst I was serving in the UK military!

[mrwebb8825]

On 8/3/2025 at 10:02 PM, CharlieH said:

Starmer’s Digital ID Plan Resurfaces Amid Migrant Chaos

He needs a military backed round-up like we're doing in the states. Give the UK back to its citizens before its citizens give up on the UK.

I hear President Trump is still looking for a 51st state. 

[newbee2022]

On 8/5/2025 at 7:07 AM, The Cyclist said:

 

Really ? 

 

This must be fake news then

 

 

 

Keep up the deflection, obfuscation and outright denial. You're a winner.

Only the dumbest would call it deflection.

[AhFarangJa]

On 8/4/2025 at 10:02 AM, CharlieH said:

Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer is reportedly seriously considering a national digital ID system to crack down on illegal immigration

What a joke, this moron is openly advocating illegal immigration, and He & tony the B-liar are craving for Digital ID. NOT for immigration, but for total control over the population. Bring in Digital ID, then digital currency, they will then have full control. It is so obvious to a two year old that they have created the problem in order to "Bring In" their wonderful solution. Kick every immigrant out, then the problem goes away.

[Bacon1]

Racist comment removed 

[The Cyclist]

As the furore over whether the Police should ignore the College of Police ignore the guidance over the releasing of data of Asylum Seekers committing crimes rattles on and  on

 

Somebody takes matters into their own hands.

 

 

I think the video speaks for itself. 

 

What is also horrifying, is that there is people who actively go out of their way, to deny, obfuscate and howl Right Wing Racism, in order to silence debate.

 

 

 

[Tailwagsdog]

If you fill your country with uneducated unskilled people from the third world then it will become Lagos, Karachi or Calcutta ...take your pick. You cannot defy Logic.

[Geoff914]

On 8/4/2025 at 4:56 AM, Bday Prang said:

And how exactly will digital ID prevent these scum from kiddie fiddling? its in their DNA total b/s 

           

Exactly. "Keir Starmer is reportedly seriously considering a national digital ID system to crack down on illegal immigration" And how will that work. It is not identifying them that is the problem. When they know the identities they do nothing about deporting them. They destroy their passports. Where do yo deport them to?

[Red Forever]

On 8/5/2025 at 10:28 AM, brewsterbudgen said:

Yes, it does matter if there is no evidence to support the 'statistics'.

 

I don't have the time, but some have investigated these statistics and it makes interesting reading:

 

This data came from the Centre for Migration Control, seemingly through a freedom of information request to the MOJ.

I had not heard of CMC so looked them up, I’m very confused by what I found.

CMC describe themselves as “a think tank committed to controlling and reducing migration to Britain” The website has no information on members, employees etc anything like that.

They have 11 published research reports, 3 of these 11 cannot be opened. All are written by a man called Robert Bates who refers to himself as the Research Director.

Centre for Migration Control is the trading name of Athelney Campaigns Ltd

Athelney Campaigns Ltd is a private limited company, incorporated in March 2024. They have one listed individual.

The director Robert Bates.

His is the only name I can find connected to the company.

I attempted to look for the data from the FOI on the CMC website, but couldn’t find it so looked thought all the FOI requests to the MOJ that are public.

I found a few requesting data in some way referring to nationality/immigration status etc and criminality. All were still being processed or had been refused.

Interestingly I found three requests from a Rob Bates. I can’t say if it’s the same man. But these were the three requests;

“Translation, interpretation and language services costs” “Deportation orders against foreign criminals” “Expenditure on equality, diversity and inclusivity”

Sorta seems like it could be him.

What I can actually find on Robert Bates is odd.

One report on the CMC website ends with “Robert Bates, Research Director at the Centre for Migration Control said: quote from Robert”

Robert Bates wrote that and every other report, he’s quoting himself.

The CMC supposed “data and research” has been used by a number of papers, mainly the Sun, the daily express and GBnews (no surprise there)

But anything I can find either comes from already released data or from FOI requests by the CMC which I can find no evidence of. Which even for this lot is reckless.

CMC has 11.2k followers on Twitter (X). Robert Bates has appeared on GBnews multiple times

He was supposedly the research executive for Get Britain Out. And a researcher for Campaign for Democratic Trade, who I can only find on Twitter (X)and have 6 followers

This is what I’ve been able to find. It seems like you run around in circles. Almost everything on Bates is claims from news reports, no one else seems to be connected to CMC and I there doesn’t appear to be any evidence of the data they supposedly received through a FOI request

Brilliant research Brewster. I wonder if this CMC outfit have their office at 55 Tufton St, London, SW1 along with the other swivel eyed right wing loons that have offices there . For example the European Research Group headed up by Rees Smug as an outlet for anti EU drivel or Aims to Industry which was set up by mainly building companies to pass information inter al about pesky trade unionists trying to recruit members democratically in order to have decent wages and conditions.

Oh no! They couldn’t have that so a blacklist was passed among members and the “militants” were barred from sites.

And we couldn’t leave out the “Taxpayers Alliance “ who were set up to patriotically advise it’s members how to avoid paying taxes.

Attempts have been made to reveal just who funds these shadowy right wing “think tanks “. All to no avail.

 I wonder if CMC falls into this category.

[roo860]

On 8/6/2025 at 11:50 AM, sungod said:

 

Why they cant house these men of fighting age in illegal migrant holding camps rather in hotels/houses with handouts is beyond me. That would be a deterrent in itself.

 

They stay in better accommodation than I did whilst I was serving in the UK military!

This was my accommodation, Training Regiment Royal Engineers. 1970. Cove nr Farnborough.

[BarraMarra]

Good enough for these Illegals Roo860. A few of these Camps around the Country keep them till there allowed to stay the rest kick them out, they look basic but better than a Tarp in France.