The former head of military intelligence for the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) called the deaths of 50,000 Palestinians in Gaza “necessary and required for future generations”, in leaked audio.

 

Aharon Haliva can be heard in newly released audio clips saying that for every person who died during 7 October, “50 Palestinians must die, even if they are children”. The audio clips were aired by Israeli broadcaster Channel 12.

 

‘It doesn’t matter now if they are children’: Ex-IDF chief said 50 Palestinian deaths for every 7 October victim was ‘necessary’

 

 

What's your point?

Even your source recognizes that the presented excerpts are “fragments of partial things, which cannot reflect the full picture – certainly when it comes to complex, detailed issues, most of which are highly classified”.

Why not present the ENTIRE recording?

28 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

What's your point?

Even your source recognizes that the presented excerpts are “fragments of partial things, which cannot reflect the full picture – certainly when it comes to complex, detailed issues, most of which are highly classified”.

Why not present the ENTIRE recording?

In the article, Mr Haliva as the IDF’s head of military intelligence has to take the rap for Hamas's attack, though he blames Israel’s political leaders and the country’s home security service, Shin Bet, as well. 

 

But my point is his willingness, in fact embrace of, the death of Palestinian children during this conflict.

Yes, Hamas were/are brutal, but Israel likes to portray itself as a civilised nation.

This sort of comment exposes that lie.

 

''50 Palestinians must die,” Mr Haliva said in a translation reported by the Jerusalem Post and other media. “It doesn't matter now if they are children. I'm not speaking out of revenge, I'm speaking out of a message to future generations. They need a Nakba every now and then to feel the price.”

2 hours ago, bannork said:

In the article, Mr Haliva as the IDF’s head of military intelligence has to take the rap for Hamas's attack, though he blames Israel’s political leaders and the country’s home security service, Shin Bet, as well. 

 

But my point is his willingness, in fact embrace of, the death of Palestinian children during this conflict.

Yes, Hamas were/are brutal, but Israel likes to portray itself as a civilised nation.

This sort of comment exposes that lie.

 

''50 Palestinians must die,” Mr Haliva said in a translation reported by the Jerusalem Post and other media. “It doesn't matter now if they are children. I'm not speaking out of revenge, I'm speaking out of a message to future generations. They need a Nakba every now and then to feel the price.”

 

You are  not providing the actual complete recording, only a portion of the recording.

Provide the full recording and let people hear the entire thing, not just the  edited version.

 

How many children and non-combatants died in the Battle of Manila, or the bombing of Dresden?

 

The Israeli Hamas war is no different. It's called "war".

 

Well actually, only different in the fact that Hamas planned for 20+ years to use their civilians as cannon fodder while they spent billions constructing hundreds of kilometres of tunnel infrastructure and buying weaponry instead of building a viable economic infrastructure for the benefit of their children. 

10 minutes ago, Gsxrnz said:

How many children and non-combatants died in the Battle of Manila, or the bombing of Dresden?

 

The Israeli Hamas war is no different. It's called "war".

 

Well actually, only different in the fact that Hamas planned for 20+ years to use their civilians as cannon fodder while they spent billions constructing hundreds of kilometres of tunnel infrastructure and buying weaponry instead of building a viable economic infrastructure for the benefit of their children. 

I don't recall any pilots of the Dresden bombing making similar remarks to the Israeli, ' 50 Germans must die due to my bombing raid. It doesn't matter if they are children.'

22 minutes ago, Gsxrnz said:

It's called "war".

 

You forgot to write "crimes" 🙂 

2 hours ago, bannork said:

Shin Bet

 

Has there ever been a name that sounds more like a Thaksin owned gambling company. 🙂 

If only mentioning actions of the past excused current war crimes and made them acceptable. 🙂

 

It's a very long bat needed to hit that ball. 🙂  

3 hours ago, Gsxrnz said:

How many children and non-combatants died in the Battle of Manila, or the bombing of Dresden?

 

The Israeli Hamas war is no different. It's called "war".

 

Well actually, only different in the fact that Hamas planned for 20+ years to use their civilians as cannon fodder while they spent billions constructing hundreds of kilometres of tunnel infrastructure and buying weaponry instead of building a viable economic infrastructure for the benefit of their children. 

And that’s called whataboutary.

3 hours ago, bannork said:

I don't recall any pilots of the Dresden bombing making similar remarks to the Israeli, ' 50 Germans must die due to my bombing raid. It doesn't matter if they are children.'

it would not have mattered what the pilots said, they had their orders and they completed their missions and many civilians died,   yes including women and children   that is the nature of war.

31 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And that’s called whataboutary.

call it whatever you want , it happens to be a valid statement.  people including innocents and yes even children die in wars,  always have done and always will.    How about that for a bit of "howaboutary"

7 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

call it whatever you want , it happens to be a valid statement.  people including innocents and yes even children die in wars,  always have done and always will.    How about that for a bit of "howaboutary"

"They need a Nakba every now and then to feel the price."

 

This says it all.

1 hour ago, Bday Prang said:

call it whatever you want , it happens to be a valid statement.  people including innocents and yes even children die in wars,  always have done and always will.    How about that for a bit of "howaboutary"

Except the stated aim is to kill civilians, refer OP.

20 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Except the stated aim is to kill civilians, refer OP.

 

The evil psychopaths have their children happily singing songs about annihilating everyone in Gaza.

 

 

“Autumn night falls over the beach of Gaza … Planes are bombing, destruction, destruction…Look the IDF [Israeli army] is crossing the line… To annihilate the swastika bearers. In another year there will be nothing there… And we will return safely to our homes… Within a year we will annihilate everyone… And then we will return to plough our fields.”

 

An idea joyfully supported by Jews on AN. 🙂 

 

No wonder the leaders have international warrants out for their arrest on charges of crimes against humanity and war crimes. Remember, every person that assists, and aids and abets a war crimes is also guilty. No wonder so many Jew soldiers are committing suicide. 🙂 

 

17 minutes ago, Packer said:

 

The evil psychopaths have their children happily singing songs about annihilating everyone in Gaza.

 

 

“Autumn night falls over the beach of Gaza … Planes are bombing, destruction, destruction…Look the IDF [Israeli army] is crossing the line… To annihilate the swastika bearers. In another year there will be nothing there… And we will return safely to our homes… Within a year we will annihilate everyone… And then we will return to plough our fields.”

 

An idea joyfully supported by Jews on AN. 🙂 

 

No wonder the leaders have international warrants out for their arrest on charges of crimes against humanity and war crimes. Remember, every person that assists, and aids and abets a war crimes is also guilty. No wonder so many Jew soldiers are committing suicide. 🙂 

 

 

   That video has been posted and discussed numerous time now .

Shall we have the same discussion once again ?

4 hours ago, Packer said:

If only mentioning actions of the past excused current war crimes and made them acceptable. 🙂

 

 

 

  The  Holding of hostages is the only current war crime that is occurring 

8 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  The  Holding of hostages is the only current war crime that is occurring 

 

 

 

🙂

5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

current events

 

The former head of military intelligence for IDF calling for the mass slaughter of civilians?

 

Perhaps he was inspired by the Jewish kid's song? 🙂 

How come all the parents of these starving skinny hamas children are as fat as f@#k..???

2 minutes ago, Packer said:

 

The former head of military intelligence for IDF calling for the mass slaughter of civilians?

 

Perhaps he was inspired by the Jewish kid's song? 🙂 

 

  Whilst I understand your concerns, I doubt vert much whether any military strategists base their strategies on children singing songs 

It is tragic for children to be involved in what is essentially a war. One thing that is strange is how no onw is crying about the children in Yemen. I guess as long as it is against the Jews then nothing else matters.

People seem to forget just who started this terrible conflict It wasn't the Jews it was Hamas. 

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Except the stated aim is to kill civilians, refer OP.

just words uttered by an angry individual in the heat of the moment. If I was an Israeli I would feel the same       He is a former military chief It is irrelevant what he says  If Israel really were targeting children there would be none left by now

1 hour ago, Photoguy21 said:

It is tragic for children to be involved in what is essentially a war. One thing that is strange is how no onw is crying about the children in Yemen. I guess as long as it is against the Jews then nothing else matters.

People seem to forget just who started this terrible conflict It wasn't the Jews it was Hamas. 

This terrible conflict started in 1948. Blame the British and the Balfour Declaration of 1917.

Back to your original point, in Sudan, for instance,  atrocities, starvation and death occur daily but it hardly appears in Western news. 

Presumably because there is no immediate Western interest, militarily, economically or culturally in Sudan or indeed Yemen. What do we know about most of the wars in Africa, the Rwanda vs Democratic Republic of Congo war for example? Nothing because it's not in our news, and that is presumably because we have no vested interest in it.

But Israel- well the West helped create the modern state of Israel, and the West likes to hold it to Western standards in terms of behaviour. 

In fact Israel has behaved barbarically over the years, the illegal seizure of West Bank settlements and driving out of the local Palestinians, for example, but that is fairly low key, an incident here and there.

Gaza , however, is much more in your face, almost total destruction of buildings and the infrastructure, hospitals, etc the cutting off of food, water and medical supplies. The widespread bombings and killings of civilians and finally the starvation. All this can be seen on TV screens throughout the West so consequently disgust has grown with Israel despite the initial sympathy following October 7th.

 

 

 

24 minutes ago, bannork said:

This terrible conflict started in 1948. Blame the British and the Balfour Declaration of 1917.

Back to your original point, in Sudan, for instance,  atrocities, starvation and death occur daily but it hardly appears in Western news. 

Presumably because there is no immediate Western interest, militarily, economically or culturally in Sudan or indeed Yemen. What do we know about most of the wars in Africa, the Rwanda vs Democratic Republic of Congo war for example? Nothing because it's not in our news, and that is presumably because we have no vested interest in it.

But Israel- well the West helped create the modern state of Israel, and the West likes to hold it to Western standards in terms of behaviour. 

In fact Israel has behaved barbarically over the years, the illegal seizure of West Bank settlements and driving out of the local Palestinians, for example, but that is fairly low key, an incident here and there.

Gaza , however, is much more in your face, almost total destruction of buildings and the infrastructure, hospitals, etc the cutting off of food, water and medical supplies. The widespread bombings and killings of civilians and finally the starvation. All this can be seen on TV screens throughout the West so consequently disgust has grown with Israel despite the initial sympathy following October 7th.

 

 

 

There maybe bits in the news but no uproar like there is for Palestine. It is always a case of blame the UK. Have you not considered that Hamas brought this on themselves? There was no fighting until October 7th when Hamas attacked innocent people. 

It doesn't matter as long as there's no sex. Coz children can't consent etc.

15 minutes ago, Photoguy21 said:

There maybe bits in the news but no uproar like there is for Palestine. It is always a case of blame the UK. Have you not considered that Hamas brought this on themselves? There was no fighting until October 7th when Hamas attacked innocent people. 

It's a long story. By the way , do you know who supported Hamas for a long time? 

The Israeli Prime minister, because he couldn't stand the idea of a united Palestinian state.

 

In an interview with Israeli journalist, Dan Margalit in December 2012, Netanyahu told Margalit that it was important to keep Hamas strong, as a counterweight to the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank. Netanyahu also added that having two strong rivals, this would lessen pressure on him to negotiate towards a Palestinian state.[11]

 

In an interview with the Israeli Army Radio in August 2019, Ehud Barak, the former Prime Minister of Israel from 1999 to 2001, said that Netanyahu's main strategy is to keep Hamas "alive and kicking" in order to weaken the Palestinian Authority, even at the expense of "abandoning the citizens [of the south]."[45]

 

 At a Likud party conference in 2019, Benjamin Netanyahu said:

"Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas ... This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank."[47][48]

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas#:~:text=Prime Minister Netanyahu responded to,many misquotes" attributed to him.

8 minutes ago, bannork said:

It's a long story. By the way , do you know who supported Hamas for a long time? 

The Israeli Prime minister, because he couldn't stand the idea of a united Palestinian state.

 

In an interview with Israeli journalist, Dan Margalit in December 2012, Netanyahu told Margalit that it was important to keep Hamas strong, as a counterweight to the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank. Netanyahu also added that having two strong rivals, this would lessen pressure on him to negotiate towards a Palestinian state.[11]

 

In an interview with the Israeli Army Radio in August 2019, Ehud Barak, the former Prime Minister of Israel from 1999 to 2001, said that Netanyahu's main strategy is to keep Hamas "alive and kicking" in order to weaken the Palestinian Authority, even at the expense of "abandoning the citizens [of the south]."[45]

 

 At a Likud party conference in 2019, Benjamin Netanyahu said:

"Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas ... This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank."[47][48]

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas#:~:text=Prime Minister Netanyahu responded to,many misquotes" attributed to him.

Most of the Middle East countries do. Ever been to the Middle East?

12 minutes ago, bannork said:

It's a long story. By the way , do you know who supported Hamas for a long time? 

The Israeli Prime minister, because he couldn't stand the idea of a united Palestinian state.

 

In an interview with Israeli journalist, Dan Margalit in December 2012, Netanyahu told Margalit that it was important to keep Hamas strong, as a counterweight to the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank. Netanyahu also added that having two strong rivals, this would lessen pressure on him to negotiate towards a Palestinian state.[11]

 

In an interview with the Israeli Army Radio in August 2019, Ehud Barak, the former Prime Minister of Israel from 1999 to 2001, said that Netanyahu's main strategy is to keep Hamas "alive and kicking" in order to weaken the Palestinian Authority, even at the expense of "abandoning the citizens [of the south]."[45]

 

 At a Likud party conference in 2019, Benjamin Netanyahu said:

"Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas ... This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank."[47][48]

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas#:~:text=Prime Minister Netanyahu responded to,many misquotes" attributed to him.

Considering there is so much hatred from Israel, according to you, Why did they not totally wipe out Palestine? Why wait for a load of innocent people to be brutally murdered?

On a slightly different note why do you think the Arab countries of the Gulf will not allow any Palestinians in?

5 minutes ago, Photoguy21 said:

Considering there is so much hatred from Israel, according to you, Why did they not totally wipe out Palestine? Why wait for a load of innocent people to be brutally murdered?

On a slightly different note why do you think the Arab countries of the Gulf will not allow any Palestinians in?

I suggest you read up about the area if you're interested. Plenty of stuff on the internet.

I cycled around Israel once, a long time ago, in 1980.