11 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    Sudan/South Sudan very well might be willing to accept them especially if there's a financial incentive .

    Palestinians receive $ Billions in aid every year and that money would go into the Sudanese economy 

 

 

 

 

 

Hush, people here might begin to think that you're talking sense now...

21 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  I want to help prisoners escape an open air prison concentration camp where they face starvation and genocide and apartheid .

   Lets help them escape 

  

 

Yet again, you admit the Palestinians are being held in a open air prison concentration camp where they face starvation and genocide and apartheid

21 minutes ago, ezzra said:

Hush, people here might begin to think that you're talking sense now...

 

Lol, talking sense.

3 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Yet again, you admit the Palestinians are being held in a open air prison concentration camp where they face starvation and genocide and apartheid

 

    That is what you told me.

I got that info from you guys 

 

5 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Yet again, you admit the Palestinians are being held in a open air prison concentration camp where they face starvation and genocide and apartheid

Beat the hell out of being held in a tunnel, abused, starved, rapped, and finally, killed. 

1 minute ago, ezzra said:

Beat the hell out of being held in a tunnel, abused, starved, rapped, and finally, killed. 

 

Never thought of it like that, 50 odd hostages from the Israeli side, opposed to 2.2 million Palestinians, less the Hamas terrorists so far eliminated by Israel.

Just now, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Never thought of it like that, 50 odd hostages from the Israeli side, opposed to 2.2 million Palestinians, less the Hamas terrorists so far eliminated by Israel.

So we're talking semantics now? numbers now? 50 now 50, yes, 20 alive, the rest the rest are rotting corpses, Hamas wouldn't hand back, but started with 250, babies, the elderly, the sick, and oh yeah, 2 dozen Thai workers, of which one dozen died in the hands of Hamas.

 

4 minutes ago, ezzra said:

So we're talking semantics now? numbers now? 50 now 50, yes, 20 alive, the rest the rest are rotting corpses, Hamas wouldn't hand back, but started with 250, babies, the elderly, the sick, and oh yeah, 2 dozen Thai workers, of which one dozen died in the hands of Hamas.

 

No one denies Hamas have behaved barbarically.

The trouble is Israel is now doing the same, and with much greater numbers.

2 minutes ago, bannork said:

No one denies Hamas have behaved barbarically.

The trouble is Israel is now doing the same, and with much greater numbers.

 

   Really ?

Are Israel grabbing Palestinian woman off the street , sexually abusing them and taking them back to Israel and holding them hostages in tunnels for years on end  ?

    NO , Israel are not like Hamas

 

2 minutes ago, bannork said:

No one denies Hamas have behaved barbarically.

The trouble is Israel is now doing the same, and with much greater numbers.

Look, Hamas prepared this deed for years, digging 10's of km of tunnels, arming themselves, recruiting new fighters, stocking up with supplies and money ( they found millions of dollars and Israeli shekels hidden in the tunnels) and they knew very well that Israel response will be swift and deadly, and yet, they went ahead, mind you, while Hamas leaders and their families had the tunnels to hide in from air bombardments, not even one bomb shelter was built for the rest of the people,

Not one Israeli wanted this to happen, not one, and I should know, but it did, and now, EVERYBODY is suffering, Israelis included.

6 minutes ago, ezzra said:

So we're talking semantics now? numbers now? 50 now 50, yes, 20 alive, the rest the rest are rotting corpses, Hamas wouldn't hand back, but started with 250, babies, the elderly, the sick, and oh yeah, 2 dozen Thai workers, of which one dozen died in the hands of Hamas.

 

 

Yes, what Hamas did was wrong but so is what Israel is doing now and since.

 

2.2 million Palestinians in Gaza, less, 60 odd thousand dead, countless missing, 150k wounded, the majority of whom are starving from Israeli inaction over food, medical aid and over 3,000 held in administrative detention.

6 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Yes, what Hamas did was wrong but so is what Israel is doing now and since.

 

2.2 million Palestinians in Gaza, less, 60 odd thousand dead, countless missing, 150k wounded, the majority of whom are starving from Israeli inaction over food, medical aid and over 3,000 held in administrative detention.

Read my reply post above to @bannork

19 minutes ago, ezzra said:

Look, Hamas prepared this deed for years, digging 10's of km of tunnels, arming themselves, recruiting new fighters, stocking up with supplies and money ( they found millions of dollars and Israeli shekels hidden in the tunnels) and they knew very well that Israel response will be swift and deadly, and yet, they went ahead, mind you, while Hamas leaders and their families had the tunnels to hide in from air bombardments, not even one bomb shelter was built for the rest of the people,

Not one Israeli wanted this to happen, not one, and I should know, but it did, and now, EVERYBODY is suffering, Israelis included.

So Israel should blanket bomb Palestinians away. Should bomb hospitals, should allow hardly any food in, should regulate the food supply to force Palestinians to dangerous places. And that's not mentioning the IDF individual atrocities.

9 minutes ago, ezzra said:

Read my reply post above to @bannork

 

25 minutes ago, ezzra said:

Look, Hamas prepared this deed for years, digging 10's of km of tunnels, arming themselves, recruiting new fighters, stocking up with supplies and money ( they found millions of dollars and Israeli shekels hidden in the tunnels) and they knew very well that Israel response will be swift and deadly, and yet, they went ahead, mind you, while Hamas leaders and their families had the tunnels to hide in from air bombardments, not even one bomb shelter was built for the rest of the people,

Not one Israeli wanted this to happen, not one, and I should know, but it did, and now, EVERYBODY is suffering, Israelis included.

 

Yet no mention of what has gone on for over 80 years since Israel was created, Hamas helped by your leader, Netanyahu, to combat the PLO's 2 state solution, because as everybody knows Israel are innocent of any faults in any of this.

2 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

 

Yet no mention of what has gone on for over 80 years since Israel was created, Hamas helped by your leader, Netanyahu, to combat the PLO's 2 state solution, because as everybody knows Israel are innocent of any faults in any of this.

Yes, you're right, but those issues could have been worked out but no, until the 7th of October, Palestinians were roaming free all over Israel, working in all kinds of industry, farming and building, life in Gaza was flourishing and calm running business, building a future for themselves, and then came Iran with their deep hate for Israel and Hamas came to be as a body whose Iran Lackey bent of the destruction of Israel that they told everybody, than came Hezbollah with trier rockets, and the insurgents from Iraq and their rockets, and the Syrians and their rockets, and then the Hutties and their deadly Iranian rockets, and let's not forget Iran with their ballistic rockets and so on, and on, and on.

2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    There would be a ferry boat from Gaza to Port Sudan , or departing from Eilat to Port Sudan .

   Just a normal ferry boat with clearance to travel from the Israeli authorities

 

Small Ferry: A small ferry boat might carry up to 30 passengers: Over 6,666 trips for 200K people
Medium-Sized Ferry: High-speed, comfort-focused catamarans often have standard designs for 100 to 450 passengers: Over 450 trips
Large Ferry: Some large ferries, designed for long-distance transport or overnight travel, can hold over 2,500 passengers: Over 80 needed.

 

Plus over 200km's to Eilat, how do you suggest they get to Eilat, at best 250 coach trips, or they could walk, whilst being attacked by the IDF through the Sinai Desert.

24 minutes ago, stevenl said:

So Israel should blanket bomb Palestinians away. Should bomb hospitals, should allow hardly any food in, should regulate the food supply to force Palestinians to dangerous places. And that's not mentioning the IDF individual atrocities.

Hamas has set up their headquarters and operation command centers in hospitals, schools, kindergartens and where ever civilians were endangering the lives of all other civilians, knowing full well that Israel would be very hesitant not to attack such targets, until they started launching rockets from those places, which left Israel with no choice.

17 hours ago, Somjot said:

 

That is one of many Zionist propaganda lies to justify their starvation war crime.

 

And it could be easily debunked - no facts needed, just an unbiased mind with a neutral moral compass.

 

Think about it, Israel claims that Hamas steals the UN food, sells it overpriced to their own starving people and uses that money to buy weapons, right?

 

Then why not flood the place with food, so there is more than enough and no one needs to buy it from Hamas?

 

Oldest trick, economy lesson 1, if you want to destroy competition, which has a popular product, sell the same product for much cheaper until the competition is bankrupt. Dumping.

 

Would that not be better instead of letting that food rot in all those trucks waiting at the Gazan border? And less cruel?

That came from the UN so I guess they are liars

9 minutes ago, ezzra said:

Yes, you're right, but those issues could have been worked out but no, until the 7th of October, Palestinians were roaming free all over Israel, working in all kinds of industry, farming and building, life in Gaza was flourishing and calm running business, building a future for themselves, and then came Iran with their deep hate for Israel and Hamas came to be as a body whose Iran Lackey bent of the destruction of Israel that they told everybody, than came Hezbollah with trier rockets, and the insurgents from Iraq and their rockets, and the Syrians and their rockets, and then the Hutties and their deadly Iranian rockets, and let's not forget Iran with their ballistic rockets and so on, and on, and on.

 

A laughable history of events, if it wasn't so serious, yet no acknowledgement of any Israeli wrong doing since its establishment in 1948 and the attempts over the years for peace by either side. 

16 hours ago, stevenl said:

No evidence for your claim according to the IDF.

 

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-26/ty-article/idf-officials-say-no-evidence-hamas-systematically-stole-un-aid-in-gaza-nyt-reports/00000198-46ed-db91-a1df-efef44060000

Then the UN is lying obviously

25 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Plus over 200km's to Eilat, how do you suggest they get to Eilat, at best 250 coach trips, or they could walk, whilst being attacked by the IDF through the Sinai Desert.

 

    when I previously stated that the IDF , Israel and the Israeli Authorities would all be assisting in the move with full authorisation .

    Did you understand what I said ?

BTW , The Sinai desert is in Egypt and they wouldn't need to cross the Sinai and that trip usually takes about 40 years anyway 

16 hours ago, stevenl said:

No evidence for your claim according to the IDF.

 

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-26/ty-article/idf-officials-say-no-evidence-hamas-systematically-stole-un-aid-in-gaza-nyt-reports/00000198-46ed-db91-a1df-efef44060000

 

     Even your link says 

 

"The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said Hamas did steal from some smaller aid groups"

3 hours ago, ezzra said:

Look, Hamas prepared this deed for years, digging 10's of km of tunnels, arming themselves, recruiting new fighters, stocking up with supplies and money ( they found millions of dollars and Israeli shekels hidden in the tunnels) and they knew very well that Israel response will be swift and deadly, and yet, they went ahead, mind you, while Hamas leaders and their families had the tunnels to hide in from air bombardments, not even one bomb shelter was built for the rest of the people,

Not one Israeli wanted this to happen, not one, and I should know, but it did, and now, EVERYBODY is suffering, Israelis included.

Use of Hamas to undermine the Palestinian Authority

 

In an interview with Israeli journalist, Dan Margalit in December 2012, Netanyahu told Margalit that it was important to keep Hamas strong, as a counterweight to the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank. Netanyahu also added that having two strong rivals, this would lessen pressure on him to negotiate towards a Palestinian state.[11]

 

In an interview with the Israeli Army Radio in August 2019, Ehud Barak, the former Prime Minister of Israel from 1999 to 2001, said that Netanyahu's main strategy is to keep Hamas "alive and kicking" in order to weaken the Palestinian Authority, even at the expense of "abandoning the citizens [of the south]."[48]

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas#:~:text=After a visit to Israel,Turkey] can help too."

 

 

The UK has announced further humanitarian support for Gaza as Israel signalled it would slow or stop aid into the north of the territory.

 

Israel has indicated it will scale down its aid supplies in Gaza City and the north of the Gaza Strip as it prepares a fresh offensive against Hamas.

 

An official told the Associated Press on Saturday that Israel will stop airdrops over Gaza City in the coming days and reduce the arrival of aid trucks into the northern part of the strip, as it prepares to evacuate hundreds of thousands of residents south.

 

Lammy puts pressure on Israel over Gaza aid access

 

The UK is set to provide £3 million through the UN’s sexual and reproductive health agency UNFPA to support midwives in Gaza, where about 130 women a day are giving birth.

1 hour ago, bannork said:

Use of Hamas to undermine the Palestinian Authority

 

In an interview with Israeli journalist, Dan Margalit in December 2012, Netanyahu told Margalit that it was important to keep Hamas strong, as a counterweight to the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank. Netanyahu also added that having two strong rivals, this would lessen pressure on him to negotiate towards a Palestinian state.[11]

 

In an interview with the Israeli Army Radio in August 2019, Ehud Barak, the former Prime Minister of Israel from 1999 to 2001, said that Netanyahu's main strategy is to keep Hamas "alive and kicking" in order to weaken the Palestinian Authority, even at the expense of "abandoning the citizens [of the south]."[48]

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas#:~:text=After a visit to Israel,Turkey] can help too."

What everyone you wrote there it was correct, so much so that even in Israel there's a huge movements to stop the war, however, Hamas will not release ALL the live and dead hostages, insisting on only releasing a few at the time, and staying as the controlling powers in Gaza, despites all the countries who declare their intentions to recognize a Palestinas state providing Hamas let all the hostages go, lay their weapons and move to other countries among other conditions Hamas are not happy with any of the conditions as their intentions are to stay in power and to form a a government to control all the billions that will come in to Gaza re-build the place. Israel has no intention of occupying Gaza. In 2005, Israel withdrew all its forces and dismantled the settlements in case that fact was known to you.

and this is why israel, IS FORCED into action they'd rather not take. 

57 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

A laughable history of events, if it wasn't so serious, yet no acknowledgement of any Israeli wrong doing since its establishment in 1948 and the attempts over the years for peace by either side. 

I have strong suspicions that you're NOT a supporter of Israel. Please don't break my heart and tell me it isn't so.😃

Trump mulling postwar Gaza plan relocating 2 million Palestinians for multi-billion dollar investment

 

 

The Washington Post reported Sunday that a postwar plan for Gaza is circulating within the Trump administration that envisions relocating the territory’s entire population and transforming the enclave into a U.S.-administered economic and tourism hub.

The 38-page proposal, known as the Gaza Reconstitution, Economic Acceleration and Transformation Trust, or GREAT Trust, is modeled on President Donald Trump’s pledge to “take over” Gaza and oversee it for at least 10 years while turning it into a high-tech and industrial center and a luxury tourist destination.

 

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/bjk007h11cgx

46 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Trump mulling postwar Gaza plan relocating 2 million Palestinians for multi-billion dollar investment

 

 

The Washington Post reported Sunday that a postwar plan for Gaza is circulating within the Trump administration that envisions relocating the territory’s entire population and transforming the enclave into a U.S.-administered economic and tourism hub.

The 38-page proposal, known as the Gaza Reconstitution, Economic Acceleration and Transformation Trust, or GREAT Trust, is modeled on President Donald Trump’s pledge to “take over” Gaza and oversee it for at least 10 years while turning it into a high-tech and industrial center and a luxury tourist destination.

 

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/bjk007h11cgx

 

I thought this Topic was about Famine in Gaza, not about Fairy Tales from the Crypt, I can't see any Infants laughing, 

On 8/31/2025 at 11:04 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

Yet more of your lies:

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/usaid-analysis-found-no-evidence-massive-hamas-theft-gaza-aid-2025-07-25/

 

   As you take pride in yourself for admitting when you are wrong .

You previously boastfully proclaimed your superiority because unlike the others, YOU will happily admit that you are wrong .

   You wrongly accused me of lying , 

Bizarrely, even the link that you provided stated that Hamas steal food .

I am not asking you to apologise  for calling me a liar( but it would be nice if you did )

    But, please would you retract your statement that I was lying ?

xxx

On 8/30/2025 at 11:42 AM, Somjot said:

Sorry but this is just untrue.

 

No need to be sorry because what I wrote was totally true.  You, on the other hand, make some wild claims without providing any sources for them.  I'll try to correct that,

 

On 8/30/2025 at 11:42 AM, Somjot said:

Hamas or Palestinians NEVER restricted the delivery of food. It was Israel, the IDF or just some low life Israelis who stopped the trucks at the border and threw the food on the streets.

 

 

It's not a matter of restricting the delivery of supplies but of diverting or looting supplies once inside Gaza.

 

 

On 8/30/2025 at 11:42 AM, Somjot said:

Israel has been calibrating hunger in Gaza since it was given back to Palestinians in 2006 or to quote a senior adviser to the then prime minister, Ehud Olmert "The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger."

 

 

 

That quote is from  an article by AFP (Agence France-Presse) on Feb. 18, 2006, titled, Hamas readies for government, Israel prepares sanctions.  The words were spoken by Dov Weisglass, who, as you say, was at that time an adviser to Ehud Olmert.  However, he wasn't speaking literally of food supplies but figuratively of tax money that Israel collected on behalf of the Palestinian Authority.  The context of the quote makes that clear.  From the article: 

"Israel was also plotting economic sanctions, preparing to withhold millions of dollars in tax duties from the Palestinian Authority, amounting to about one-third of the Palestinians' budget.

'The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet but not make them die of hunger,' prime ministerial adviser Dov Weisglass was quoted as saying at a meeting to discuss how to deal with a Hamas government.

'As of Saturday, Hamas will be in charge of the Palestinian finance ministry and money,' Mark Regev, spokesman for the Israeli foreign ministry, told AFP."

https://www.tehrantimes.com/news/113386/Hamas-readies-for-government-Israel-prepares-sanctions

 

Thanks to the passage of time, the quote has been taken out of context to "prove" Israel had a policy of starving Gazans.  It didn't.

 

On 8/30/2025 at 11:42 AM, Somjot said:

An Israeli court ordered the release of documents showing the details of those macabre sums two years later, proving that Israel allowed only 2279 Calories per Person to make sure they get only the absolute minimum.

 

That's  a false interpretation.  The goal was to PREVENT starvation, not cause it.  Here's what the IIDF actually did and said:

Israel counted calorie requirements of Gazans during blockade

Defense Ministry says newly-revealed 2008 document was never used to restrict the flow of food into the strip

17 October 2012, 4:24 pm

JERUSALEM (AP) — The Israeli military made precise calculations of Gaza’s daily calorie needs to avoid malnutrition during a sweeping blockade imposed on the Palestinian territory between 2007 and mid-2010, according to a document the Defense Ministry released Wednesday under a court order.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-counted-calorie-requirements-of-gazans-during-land-blockade-to-avoid-crisis/

 

On 8/30/2025 at 11:42 AM, Somjot said:

If that "Hamas steals food" theory was true, and it is not much more than a theory as Israel has as usual not provided a single proof, why wasn`t there a famine before?

 

After Hamas had taken enough of the supplies to feed its members and supporters as well as to build stockpiles, it sold the remainder to merchants in Gaza who in turn sold  the supplies to the non-Hamas public.

 

On 8/30/2025 at 11:42 AM, Somjot said:

The famine in Gaza is man made, it was intentionally caused by Israel to facilitate their planned land robbery.

 

So their forever lie  "the people without land came to the land without people" might finally somehow come true.

 

That's one of the wilder claims you've made and again, no source is cited.  The actual saying is, "A land without a people for a people without a land."  It was in fact first uttered by a Christian minister and used by non-Jews in the 19th and early 20th century.  To what extent it was actually used by early  Jewish Zionists is a matter of dispute.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_land_without_a_people_for_a_people_without_a_land

 

In any case, it by no means implies ethnic cleansing.  During the 19th century, historical Palestine was one of the most wretched corners of the Ottoman Empire due to uprisings and natural disasters.  A lot of the land area wasn't arable or even inhabitable  Many Arab peasants had fled from Palestine to avoid the risk of impressment into military service, leading some foreign observers to