Bizarre that people can support Hamas when they are probably raping the hostages ahead of any handover

11 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

I am quoting Israel's figures, they are "morbid casualties" not deaths.

 

     There was a thread about it at the time .

Better to take the discussion there , as its way off topic 

34 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

     There was a thread about it at the time .

Better to take the discussion there , as its way off topic 

You could simply say “I am sorry, I was wrong”

46 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

Bizarre that people can support Hamas when they are probably raping the hostages ahead of any handover

Yet it is also bizarre that people support Israel and the IDF when they have slaughtered over 64,xxx men women, children and babies in the same period. In addition, Israel and the IDF are systematically starving the Palestinians of fuel, food and water, committing genocide, demolishing and destroying Palestinian buildings and infrastructure. Murdering entire Palestinian families, stealing their land and giving the land to illegal Israeli settlers for illegal settlement

 

You think, without ANY proof, that Hamas are probably raping Israeli hostages, but you have nothing to back your words up with, and that alone justifies what Israel is doing to Gaza.

2 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

You could simply say “I am sorry, I was wrong”

 

   It was discussed at the time .

Why don't you want to take the discussion  to the relevant thread ?

   This thread : 

Israel Demands UK Act on ‘Toxic Wave of Antisemitism

 

Other thread : Gaza death rates 

 

6 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

You could simply say “I am sorry, I was wrong”

Do you really think that @Nick Carter icpwould EVER admit to being wrong?

5 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Yet it is also bizarre that people support Israel and the IDF when they have slaughtered over 64,xxx men women, children and babies in the same period. In addition, Israel and the IDF are systematically starving the Palestinians of fuel, food and water, committing genocide, demolishing and destroying Palestinian buildings and infrastructure. Murdering entire Palestinian families, stealing their land and giving the land to illegal Israeli settlers for illegal settlement

 

You think, without ANY proof, that Hamas are probably raping Israeli hostages, but you have nothing to back your words up with, and that alone justifies what Israel is doing to Gaza.

You lost. The Jews won. And they are laughing at you.

1 minute ago, billd766 said:

Do you really think that @Nick Carter icpwould EVER admit to being wrong?

 

   What was I wrong about ?

You, like him , just want to turn every thread into an Israel bashing thread

6 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Do you really think that @Nick Carter icpwould EVER admit to being wrong?

I wasn’t sure which was more likely, his apology or the moon being made of Swiss cheese.

 

8 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Please explain AIPAC, Labour Friends of Israel, and the Conservative Friends of Israel.

 

All three are lobbying groups that publicly advocate in favor of Israel but not always in favor of the Israeli government.  They operate under  intense media scrutiny and in accordance with the applicable laws of their respective countries.   They are about as far from secret conspiracy groups as it's possible to get.

 

The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) is a 501(c)(4) organization, a tax-exempt "social welfare" lobby group under IRS rules.  It shares the 501(c)(4) designation with such groups as the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP);  National Rifle Association (NRA);   Turning Point Action; American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU);  Sierra Club; Planned Parenthood;  AARP (formerly  the American Association of Retired Persons) and hundreds of others.

 

It would be absurd for anyone to think the NAACP, ACLU, Sierra Club, Planned Parenthood or any of the others were conspiracy groups, but because AIPAC is associated with Jews and Israel, it gets a conspiracy label from paranoid types.  No doubt AIPAC is an influential organization, but it has nowhere near the power that's sometimes ascribed to it.  It is  overshadowed by several U.S. lobbying groups in terms of financial resources and influence. To say AIPAC controls U.S. foreign policy on Israel is ridiculous.  As has been explained several times, the U.S. has supported and continues to support Israel because it is in the best interest of the U.S. to have a reliable ally in the Middle East,  That's what the U.S.  tax dollars pay  for, Israel's status as an ally.

 

Labour friends of Israel, and the Conservative Friends of Israel mostly operate within the framework of the U.K. Parliament but also have members who aren't MPs.  They are focused on U.K. political policy towards Israel as well as building ties with corresponding Israeli political parties.

 

In both the U.S. and U.K., lobby groups are a traditional and accepted part of the political process.  There's nothing conspiratorial about it.

 

8 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

And:

 

 

 

The above video from an Indian news channel is based on a remark Netanyahu made toward the end of an Israeli TV interview.  He was NOT holding a map nor speaking at length about "Greater Israel."  The picture of Netanyahu on the YouTube video above has been Photoshopped.   His remark had nothing to do with any conspiracy.  You can read all the details in the article below,

 

Netanyahu says he’s on a ‘historic and spiritual mission,’ also feels a connection to vision of Greater Israel

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/netanyahu-says-hes-on-a-historic-and-spiritual-mission-endorses-vision-of-greater-israel/

1 hour ago, scubascuba3 said:

Bizarre that people can support Hamas when they are probably raping the hostages ahead of any handover

I don't think anyone supports Hamas, especially not the vile pogrom of October 7, 2023.

 

But we can also be horrified and ashamed by the IDF's reaction to the indiscriminate bombing and starving thousands of Palestinian civilian women and children.

5 minutes ago, Toc-Toc said:

I don't think anyone supports Hamas, especially not the vile pogrom of October 7, 2023.

 

But we can also be horrified and ashamed by the IDF's reaction to the indiscriminate bombing and starving thousands of Palestinian civilian women and children.

 

   The food shortages have been caused by Hamas stealing the food and selling the food for profit . 

Does anyone want to admit they believe in a  secret Jewish conspiracy about Israel or anything else?

11 minutes ago, Toc-Toc said:

I don't think anyone supports Hamas, especially not the vile pogrom of October 7, 2023.

 

But we can also be horrified and ashamed by the IDF's reaction to the indiscriminate bombing and starving thousands of Palestinian civilian women and children.

Shocking how Hamas hide in hospitals and schools putting the Palestinians in direct harms way, but they are terrorists after all, supported by people on here

44 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The food shortages have been caused by Hamas stealing the food and selling the food for profit . 

Nick, a wise man went to keep his mouth shut.

On 10/5/2025 at 2:17 PM, stevenl said:

So you think Israeli actions in Gaza and the west bank have no effect abroad?

I think it doesn't really matter what people in other countries think. It is what the people involved think.

On 10/5/2025 at 5:33 PM, Yagoda said:

The one they get out of the Protocols.

Protocol's? Which ones would they be?

12 minutes ago, Photoguy21 said:

Protocol's? Which ones would they be?

Surely you are trying to make a point (and failing miserably), since no one could be that ignorant

On 10/5/2025 at 2:29 AM, Evil Penevil said:

 

No, they are not. The use of the word "Semite" to refer to an ethnic group is outdated.  The Encyclopedia Britannica explains it this way (my bold blue text):  "Semite, obsolete term, popularized in the 19th century, that originally described a member of any people who speak one of the Semitic languages, a family of languages that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, Aramaic, and Tigrinya, among others. The term was later used in an ethnic sense, even though there has never been a shared Semitic identity among Semitic-speaking peoples. When used in that sense, Semite often referred specifically to people of Jewish origin, regardless of what language they spoke, a reflection of the antisemitism that was concurrent in 19th-century Europe."  https://www.britannica.com/topic/Semite

 

The word "anti-Semitism" or "antisemitism" entered the English language in1881 from the German Antisemitismus, which had been coined by Wilhelm Marr, a German journalist and agitator who thought it sounded more scientific and academic than the older Judenhaß  ("Jew hatred").  Marr himself is regarded as the "father of modern antisemitism,"  although he apparently renounced his anti-Jewish beliefs as an old man.  https://njop.org/the-origin-of-word-anti-semitism/

 

Bottom line:  the word "antisemitism" has never been used in the English language to mean anything but a hatred of  Jews.

That's true of the English language. However, I differ with Britannica. Eastern European, Russian, European, American Jews are Semites? Give me a break! The hater mass is too stupid to use Judenhaß .

52 minutes ago, Photoguy21 said:

Protocol's? Which ones would they be?

 

"The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is an antisemitic book used to promote hatred of Jews. It was first published in 1903. The Protocols contains conspiracy theories about alleged global Jewish power. It is the most widespread antisemitic publication of modern times."

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/protocols-of-the-elders-of-zion

 

Both Adolf Hitler and the founders of Hamas believed in the Protocols.  From the original Hamas charter of 1988, Article 32:

"After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying."   https://avalon.law.yale.edu/21st_century/hamas.asp

 

Some members of AN, perhaps unknowingly, have posted comments very close to what can be read in the Protocols.

 

 

48 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

That's true of the English language. However, I differ with Britannica. Eastern European, Russian, European, American Jews are Semites? Give me a break! The hater mass is too stupid to use Judenhaß .

 

The point is that the words antisemitism and antisemite have in English only referred to hatred of Jews, never to Arabs or others regarded at one time as "Semites."

7 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

I wasn’t sure which was more likely, his apology or the moon being made of Swiss cheese.

 

   Are you expecting me to apologise for asking you to keep on topic ?

Youve gone all Greta Thurnbergy 

16 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

From what I have read, civilians to combatants is running about 16:1

 

The figures came from Israel I believe.

Please share this source . I have an open mind and would appreciate the education.

On 10/6/2025 at 3:49 AM, scubascuba3 said:

Exactly, you've got things all wrong, and of course being Hamas supporters you're partly responsible for the deaths for encouraging it along with the original invasion

 

15 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

Bizarre that people can support Hamas when they are probably raping the hostages ahead of any handover

 

14 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

Shocking how Hamas hide in hospitals and schools putting the Palestinians in direct harms way, but they are terrorists after all, supported by people on here

 

 

No one, NO ONE here supports Hamas.

OK?

 

Stop branding those, who criticize the intentional killing of children and the theft of land while kicking out or even killing the owners as terrorists.

 

This is your pathetic and laughably obvious attempt to justify Israels atrocities and silence any opposition.

 

Democracy does not work like that. Destroying democracy and turning it into tyranny works like that.

 

And that is what you should worry about.

 

Because in western democracies people have the right to protest peacefully, even if some might not agree with what they protest for or against.

Our ancestors fought and died for that rights, which you and me take as granted and which allow us for example to freely write here on the forum.

 

The American Revolution and French Revolution established these principles in national charters like the U.S. Constitution's First Amendment.

International Treaties like the European Convention on Human Rights (1950) (Article 11 protects the right to freedom of assembly and association) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (1966) guarantee rights related to peaceful assembly and association, affirming their universal importance and forming a basis for modern protest rights in many nations.

 

But when Mr. Sa àr, Mr. Goldsmith and Mr. French demand from the UK government to take action against rising toxic antisemitism on university campuses and call pro Palestinian marches "hate marches" they intentionally lie, as the protests are against Israels actions in Gaza and not against Semites in general.

 

But what they really demand is a restriction of our basic rights.

 

A suppression of our right to express our opinions and our right to peaceful assembly and associate.

 

And they have succeeded already

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c24rmdngrrjo

 

That`s how it starts.

 

And that`s how democracy and freedom end. 

 

Today it`s our right to criticize Israel.

 

Tomorrow? Who knows.

 

Well, actually history knows.  

 

And if we don`t learn from it we are condemned to repeat it.

16 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) is a 501(c)(4) organization, a tax-exempt "social welfare" lobby group under IRS rules.  It shares the 501(c)(4) designation with such groups as the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP);  National Rifle Association (NRA);   Turning Point Action; American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU);  Sierra Club; Planned Parenthood;  AARP (formerly  the American Association of Retired Persons) and hundreds of others.

 

All the groups you mention deal with US American issues. Not AIPAC.

 

AIPAC is a organization which directly influences US foreign policy at least in the Middle East completely in favor of Israel and not always in favor of US people

 

It should by law register under FARA (foreign agent registration act) as it is a foreign lobby acting on behalf of a foreign country but it is somehow exempt.

 

FARA would result in mandatory disclosures from donors, media campaigns or communications with elected officials and all the trips the send congressmen on and many more details of their activities.

 

16 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

It would be absurd for anyone to think the NAACP, ACLU, Sierra Club, Planned Parenthood or any of the others were conspiracy groups, but because AIPAC is associated with Jews and Israel, it gets a conspiracy label from paranoid types. 

 

It is not the paranoia from weird people that lead to that suspicion but the refusal of AIPAC to register under FARA. Obviously they do not want full disclosure of their activities influencing elected politicians.

 

No secret conspiracy. AIPAC openly brags about how many US politicians they defeated.

 

 

 

Not because their policy would have been bad for US people, no, maybe it would have been very good, but because their policy was not enough pro-Israel.

 

Think about it: A US politician ready to serve the US public lost the election because of a foreign organization.

 

In some way AIPAC does not only have influence on the US foreign policy but also on any other field of US policy.

 

And a well known member here, US citizen, with anger issues really thinks, he has won.

 

 

16 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

To say AIPAC controls U.S. foreign policy on Israel is ridiculous. 

 

Well, maybe not control but surely influence. All the other organizations you mentioned deal with issues like Colored People, Gun control, Planned Parenthood or Retired Persons which have nothing to do with Israel. 

 

16 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

As has been explained several times, the U.S. has supported and continues to support Israel because it is in the best interest of the U.S. to have a reliable ally in the Middle East,  That's what the U.S.  tax dollars pay  for, Israel's status as an ally.

 

True.  An ally against enemies the US would not have, if it would not have so blindly supported Israel, like in the ongoing mass slaughter.

 

Or in the Iraq war.

 

Tell me, how did the US benefit from the second Iraq war, where they were looking for weapons of mass destruction, knowing there were none and even if, they would never pose a threat to the US?

 

Who wanted that war? Who pushed the US into that war?

 

 

 

And what was the result?

 

Rise of the IS. Chaos.  Instability in the region and countries without real governments and armies with a well equipped air force and navy and therefore easy targets for Israel.

 

Who paid the price?

 

Millions of dead Iraqis

 

Thousands of US and UK soldiers killed and much more disabled for life.

17 hours ago, Yagoda said:

You lost. The Jews won. And they are laughing at you.

 

Are you sure it is me they are laughing at?

 

😂

2 hours ago, Somjot said:

 

Are you sure it is me they are laughing at?

 

😂

Absolutely. The Jews won and you lost. 

21 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

Bizarre that people can support Hamas when they are probably raping the hostages ahead of any handover

Guess we know why We see signs that say "gays for Palestine"

On 10/7/2025 at 2:10 PM, Yagoda said:

Surely you are trying to make a point (and failing miserably), since no one could be that ignorant

Evidently you are very ignorant.

On 10/7/2025 at 3:09 PM, Evil Penevil said:

 

"The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is an antisemitic book used to promote hatred of Jews. It was first published in 1903. The Protocols contains conspiracy theories about alleged global Jewish power. It is the most widespread antisemitic publication of modern times."

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/protocols-of-the-elders-of-zion

 

Both Adolf Hitler and the founders of Hamas believed in the Protocols.  From the original Hamas charter of 1988, Article 32:

"After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying."   https://avalon.law.yale.edu/21st_century/hamas.asp

 

Some members of AN, perhaps unknowingly, have posted comments very close to what can be read in the Protocols.

 

 

The Arabs have hated the Jews for far longer than that