3 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

Semantics.

 

Another so-called ‘man’ who feels the need to belittle women by calling them a whore. You must be so proud of yourself. 
And you do realize that Ghislaine Maxwell has absolutely no reason whatsoever to say that Trump engaged in any wrongdoing, don’t you? In fact, she has every reason to deny that categorically. She’s hoping for a pardon, remember? So saying bad things about Trump would not be the smartest thing to do then.

Maxwell also has a history of lying, or at least not telling the truth. The DOJ in 2022 stated that she engaged in a ‘significant pattern of dishonest conduct’. Considering her wish for a pardon, and her history of lying, her claim that Trump never engaged in any wrongdoing doesn’t mean diddly-squat. And not to put too fine a point on it: Maxwell said that she never witnessed Trump doing anything wrong. Slight difference.

 

Long story short: there are way too many people trying way too hard to prevent the release of the Epstein files and client list. That alone tells me that some (probably quite a few) very powerful people are guilty as sin, and that they are doing everything they possibly can to make this go away. 

Is that why the Biden Administration sat on the files and refused to release them for four years?

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Absolutely right ,we've seen this not just in Europe, but also in Asian countries like Philippines and Japan. It seems a wave of moral conservatism washed over the world, after decades of overly permissive behaviour in the 70s.

 

Or perhaps the change in laws is due the belated realisation that the majority of 14 and 15-year olds are not emotionally mature and are open to exploitation, and therefore require the protection of the law.

 

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

Of course Holland and Denmark amended their laws on bestiality porn as well, and the UK introduced ID requirements to access porn.

 

The UK ID requirements are a joke. Firstly, the requirements obviously only apply to UK based sites. Secondly, the requirements can easily be by-passed by simply using a VPN.

 

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Well, it's debatable, I mean Epstein was not a teacher or a stepfather, but I wonder if his financial clout would have led people to accept that an exploitative relationship existed. It's hard to say really.

 

Maybe but if the parents of the abused child couldn't be bought off, there would have been a societal demand to prosecute him which couldn't have been easily ignored.

41 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

Semantics.

 

Another so-called ‘man’ who feels the need to belittle women by calling them a whore. You must be so proud of yourself. 
And you do realize that Ghislaine Maxwell has absolutely no reason whatsoever to say that Trump engaged in any wrongdoing, don’t you? In fact, she has every reason to deny that categorically. She’s hoping for a pardon, remember? So saying bad things about Trump would not be the smartest thing to do then.

Maxwell also has a history of lying, or at least not telling the truth. The DOJ in 2022 stated that she engaged in a ‘significant pattern of dishonest conduct’. Considering her wish for a pardon, and her history of lying, her claim that Trump never engaged in any wrongdoing doesn’t mean diddly-squat. And not to put too fine a point on it: Maxwell said that she never witnessed Trump doing anything wrong. Slight difference.

 

Long story short: there are way too many people trying way too hard to prevent the release of the Epstein files and client list. That alone tells me that some (probably quite a few) very powerful people are guilty as sin, and that they are doing everything they possibly can to make this go away. 

 

WTF are you on about? And Virginia Giuffre who categorically stated that Trump did not have sex with her, nor anyone else connected with Epstein, what reason did she have to exonerate Trump?

 

Giuffre and Maxwell are just telling the truth, Trump was not involved in any wrong doing connected with Epstein whatsoever.

 

Prevent the release of the Epstein files? They HAVE been released, follow the news. Oh it tells you "powerful people are guilty as sin"...lol...okay then.

17 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

Or perhaps the change in laws is due the belated realisation that the majority of 14 and 15-year olds are not emotionally mature and are open to exploitation, and therefore require the protection of the law.

 

 

The UK ID requirements are a joke. Firstly, the requirements obviously only apply to UK based sites. Secondly, the requirements can easily be by-passed by simply using a VPN.

 

 

Maybe but if the parents of the abused child couldn't be bought off, there would have been a societal demand to prosecute him which couldn't have been easily ignored.

 

If you look at the various other "rollbacks" to sexual permissiveness, around the globe, it does rather look like a pattern, and it applies not just to the age of consent, with porn as well, there has been a backlash against the highly permissive 70s. A return to conservative morality if you will.

 

Anyway, the thing is Epstein made the mistake not to vet the age of his "masseuses", ie prostitutes, and as a consequence had to pay a hefty price, because he  chose to do it in one of the most puritan countries on earth, and not Spain or Germany or Philippines.

 

Just look at the Sean Coombs case. The guy was a swinger, and paid male escorts to have sex with his girlfriend, and he was done like a Mafia kingpin. Or R Kelly before him. There's a whiff of puritanism in the air.

14 hours ago, Cameroni said:

Giuffre and Maxwell are just telling the truth

And you know this how? Because of their innate trustworthiness? Maxwell has everything to gain by stating what she stated, so she can get her pardon. Most people would lie their ass off in that situation. I very much suspect that Maxwell is doing the same.

2 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

And you know this how? Because of their innate trustworthiness? Maxwell has everything to gain by stating what she stated, so she can get her pardon. Most people would lie their ass off in that situation. I very much suspect that Maxwell is doing the same.

 

Maxwell is corroborated by the whore in chief, Virigina Giuffre!

 

She said the same!

 

3 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Maxwell is corroborated by the whore in chief, Virigina Giuffre!

 

She said the same!

 

I don’t trust either one of them, not even a little bit. Why not release the entire Epstein files, plus the client list? Then everything will be out in the open. 
 

And why did MAGA change their tune so quickly? Screaming for years that the children need to be protected, and the Epstein files need to be released. And now all of a sudden, as it looks like Trump’s name is all over those files, protecting their cult leader is apparently much more important than protecting the children.
 

And again with the whore. How about if I start calling you the dunce in chief?

22 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

I don’t trust either one of them, not even a little bit. Why not release the entire Epstein files, plus the client list? Then everything will be out in the open. 
 

And why did MAGA change their tune so quickly? Screaming for years that the children need to be protected, and the Epstein files need to be released. And now all of a sudden, as it looks like Trump’s name is all over those files, protecting their cult leader is apparently much more important than protecting the children.
 

And again with the whore. How about if I start calling you the dunce in chief?

 

The files were released. You claim to be so interested and scream "release the Epstein files" - so I take it you have read all of these files?

 

https://vault.fbi.gov/jeffrey-epstein

 

Obviously all files cannot be released for various very legitimate reasons.

 

What children? These were teenage whores.

 

24 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

How about if I start calling you the dunce in chief?

 

Don't you dare!

18 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

And why did MAGA change their tune so quickly?

Because trump has changed his tune.

6 hours ago, stevenl said:

Because trump has changed his tune.

 

I've never changed my tune, I've always said Virginia Giuffre was a lying, scheming, money grabbing whore. May she rest in peace.

On 10/9/2025 at 1:40 PM, rudi49jr said:

I don’t trust either one of them, not even a little bit. Why not release the entire Epstein files, plus the client list? Then everything will be out in the open. 
 

And why did MAGA change their tune so quickly? Screaming for years that the children need to be protected, and the Epstein files need to be released. And now all of a sudden, as it looks like Trump’s name is all over those files, protecting their cult leader is apparently much more important than protecting the children.

If the court filings are anything to go by then Trump and co are in for a rough ride and this is one particular filing regarding Trump having sex with a 13 year old, and this is on file with a California court: – 

 

"On the fourth and final sexual encounter the defendant, Donald J Trump, the plaintiff Katie Johnson was tied to a bed by defendant Trump who then proceeded to forcibly rape plaintiff Johnson. During the course of this savage sexual attract, plaintiff Johnson loudly pleaded with defendant Trump to, "please wear a condom". Defendant Trump responded by violently striking plaintiff Johnson in the face with his open hand and screaming that "he would do whatever he wanted" as he refused to wear protection. After achieving sexual orgasm the defendant Donald J Trump put his suit back on and when the plaintiff Katie Johnson, in tears, asked what will happen if he had impregnated her, defendant Trump grabbed his wallet and threw some money at her screaming that that she should use the money, "to get a fcking abortion".

 

Case 5:16-cv-00797-DMG-KS   Document 1   Filed 04/26/16   Page 1 of 6   Page #:1ID 
 

13 hours ago, xylophone said:

If the court filings are anything to go by then Trump and co are in for a rough ride and this is one particular filing regarding Trump having sex with a 13 year old, and this is on file with a California court: – 

 

"On the fourth and final sexual encounter the defendant, Donald J Trump, the plaintiff Katie Johnson was tied to a bed by defendant Trump who then proceeded to forcibly rape plaintiff Johnson. During the course of this savage sexual attract, plaintiff Johnson loudly pleaded with defendant Trump to, "please wear a condom". Defendant Trump responded by violently striking plaintiff Johnson in the face with his open hand and screaming that "he would do whatever he wanted" as he refused to wear protection. After achieving sexual orgasm the defendant Donald J Trump put his suit back on and when the plaintiff Katie Johnson, in tears, asked what will happen if he had impregnated her, defendant Trump grabbed his wallet and threw some money at her screaming that that she should use the money, "to get a fcking abortion".

 

Case 5:16-cv-00797-DMG-KS   Document 1   Filed 04/26/16   Page 1 of 6   Page #:1ID 
 

And this is the guy that MAGA voted for, and is now defending. Just so that they can ‘own the libs’. Pathetic.