10 minutes ago, JohnnyBD said:

. Is the NZ embassy actually verifying & certifying one's income as legit? Or, are they doing the same as the US embassy was doing, by issuing an affidavit based on a person's word only?

That's all it is. Same as AU previously. 

Was just a statutory declaration. 

Hence why I wrote not worth the paper it's printed on. 

Just now, DrJack54 said:

That's all it is. Same as AU previously. 

Was just a statutory declaration. 

Hence why I wrote not worth the paper it's printed on. 

I thought so. Thanks!

3 minutes ago, JohnnyBD said:

I thought so. Thanks!

Bit off topic, however I was talking with an Australian who works a Oz embassy Bangkok. 

I asked about this very matter after the embassy stopped issuing them. 

According to her... They never should have been provided. 

AU Stat Dec is only for use in Oz. 

9 minutes ago, JohnnyBD said:

I'm confused. Are you a UK citizen or a NZ citizen?

 

It sounds like the NZ embassy is not actually verifying your income is lefit, only taking a look at the docs you bring in. The US embassy was doing the same for me with my pension docs, but they were not actually verifying my income with my company or any other gov't agencies. So, they had to stop the affidavits.

Data protection laws prevented the Embassies from verifying incomes, which Immigration wrongly assumed they had.
Hence, Embassies ceased the Income letters rather than mislead Immigration the incomes were verified.
Immigration issued new orders allowing the overseas transfer of 65K into a Thai bank account, yet the orders still to this date only stipulate the Embassy Income letters are 'certified' by the Embassies.

20 minutes ago, Liquorice said:

Data protection laws prevented the Embassies from verifying incomes, which Immigration wrongly assumed they had.
Hence, Embassies ceased the Income letters rather than mislead Immigration the incomes were verified.
Immigration issued new orders allowing the overseas transfer of 65K into a Thai bank account, yet the orders still to this date only stipulate the Embassy Income letters are 'certified' by the Embassies.

So, some embassies are still issuing income affidavits even though they are not actually verifying a person's income. I understand why the big lady at CW is inspecting a person's docs more closely when they present an income affidavit. Thanks for the explanation...

Just now, JohnnyBD said:

So, some embassies are still issuing income affidavits even though they are not actually verifying a person's income. That's not really legitimate. I can understand why the big lady at CW is inspecting a person's docs more closely when they present an income affidavit. Thanks for the explanation...

For a long time, I've always suspected that Immigration also wrongly assumed that those using the Embassy Income letters were actually transferring those funds to a Thai bank account.
Many did/do not, just transferring as and when funds were required. This is something CW now appear to have picked up on.
I can foresee the option of Embassy letter being removed from orders in the future.

If those who can still obtain official Embassy-endorsed income affidavits also have to transfer 65,000 into Thailand, what is the point of getting the affidavit?

 

 

I may be in the minority, but I've always assumed that anyone with an affidavit was not required to transfer any funds into Thailand. 

 

 

When I was able to utilize an Embassy-endorsed income affidavit (USEMBBKK), I was not transferring 65,000 baht each month. Rather, I'd transfer funds for living expenses 3 ~ 4 times per year.

 

 

3 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:

When I was able to utilize an Embassy-endorsed income affidavit (USEMBBKK), I was not transferring 65,000 baht each month. Rather, I'd transfer funds for living expenses 3 ~ 4 times per year.

Indeed, I think most using embassy letter would do exactly as you oitlined. 3-4 larger transfers per yr. 

If I had option of having the Letter I would change to monthly transfers of min 65k/month.

Yes makes Letter redundant. 

2 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:

I may be in the minority, but I've always assumed that anyone with an affidavit was not required to transfer any funds into Thailand. 

 

 

When I was able to utilize an Embassy-endorsed income affidavit (USEMBBKK), I was not transferring 65,000 baht each month. Rather, I'd transfer funds for living expenses 3 ~ 4 times per year.

Exactly.
There is nothing in Immigration orders stipulating you had to transfer that income, just that you were in receipt of such.

 

However, if you're not transferring what Immigration judge to be a minimum living requirement, then surely that will raise suspicion as to how you are living in Thailand.

Working illegally, income from illegal sources?

1 hour ago, Liquorice said:

Exactly.
There is nothing in Immigration orders stipulating you had to transfer that income, just that you were in receipt of such.

 

However, if you're not transferring what Immigration judge to be a minimum living requirement, then surely that will raise suspicion as to how you are living in Thailand.

Working illegally, income from illegal sources?

The embassy letter use to afford me the flexibility of transferring funds as and when I needed them, especially at times when the Bhatt was weaker. Now, after this experience, i won't bother and will just go down the income/bank statement route.

11 minutes ago, London Boy said:

Now, after this experience, i won't bother and will just go down the income/bank statement route.

FAIR: I do the transfer 14th of every month. 

Same amount every month (exchange rate varies that) 

With my bank statement I highlighted those transfers and that makes it easy for them. 

I also requested the Statement in Thai language and that denotes (in Thai script) as funds (money) from abroad. 

I use WISE. The transfers (approx 110k) are instant. 

49 minutes ago, London Boy said:

The embassy letter use to afford me the flexibility of transferring funds as and when I needed them, especially at times when the Bhatt was weaker. Now, after this experience, i won't bother and will just go down the income/bank statement route.

At Roi Et, if using the income method and still able to obtain an Embassy Income letter, they refuse to accept the 12 monthly transfers method and instruct you to get the Embassy Income letter.

Nuts, as orders state, both methods of proof of income are acceptable, but we sometimes have to conform to the whims of senior IO's who like to flex their authority.