15 minutes ago, TedG said:

  The Palestinian's hate Israel more than they want peace.  Now they live with the consequences of their hate. 

 

The famous quote from Golda Meir comes to mind:

“We can forgive the Arabs for killing our children. We cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children. We will only have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us”

 

That's actually a shortened version of what she actually wrote in one of her books:

“When peace comes we will perhaps in time be able to forgive the Arabs for killing our sons, but it will be harder for us to forgive them for having forced us to kill their sons. Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.”
― Golda Meir, A Land of Our Own: An Oral Autobiography

 

6 minutes ago, TedG said:

1978 Camp David Accords: This agreement, signed by Egypt and Israel, proposed a framework for future negotiations on Palestinian autonomy in the West Bank and Gaza. The PLO, however, rejected the deal, believing it did not guarantee full Palestinian sovereignty. Egypt proceeded with its own peace treaty with Israel, but the broader Palestinian issue was left unresolved.

Rubbish, where are you getting this nonsense from?
The PLO were not even invited to Camp David, this was a peace treaty between Egypt and Israel.

The accords offered NO independence, NO end to illegal Israeli settlements, NO right of return for refugees and NO capital in Jerusalem.

May I remind everybody that in the first decades after the creation of Israel in all those meetings and summits to find an agreement or a deal fair for both sides Palestinians weren`t even allowed to partake because Israel refused to recognize Palestine and even later they were only allowed to attend as observers.

 

So again, what deals?

 

Except those which can be summarized as: "We keep everything we stole. You keep everything we did not steal yet. We keep total control over you."

3 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

The famous quote from Golda Meir comes to mind:

“We can forgive the Arabs for killing our children. We cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children. We will only have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us”

Rubbish, Israel treat them as second class citizens and well you know it.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/

 

 

4 minutes ago, Somjot said:

 

 

You are even less super familiar with history as you are confusing expulsion with migration.

 

Sure after the creation of Israel there were anti Zionist protests but most of the Jews freely left those countries to start a new life in the only Jewish country.

Large-scale migrations were also organized, sponsored, and facilitated by Zionist organizations such as Mossad, Le Aliyah Bet, the Jewish Agency, and the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society. 

 

That is a completely different thing compared to what the Jews did to the Palestinians in 48.

 

As for Iran, Jews have been living there for Millenia, some still do some left for Israel. Completely unharmed by the Ayatollah regime and still worshipping their God in their more than 25 Synagogues until present.

 

Just please educate yourself better before you create more wrong narratives about the forever victim.

 

Again wrong comparison.

 

Jews lived in Palestine Millenia ago and claim the land out of that reason, were assigned to 56% of the land in 1947 by the UN, despite being less than 40% of the population, took more than assigned to them and keep stealing land since then from the Palestinians who are somehow expected to preserve their love and friendship to Israel and if not ..... TERRORIST!

 

By the way as you seem to support illegal settlement justified by some presence Millenia ago and a promise by sky daddy , how is your stance about the right of the native Americans getting their land back and everybody else go back where the F... they came from?

 

I mean, if they would come up with their promised land by Manitu. 

The Jews FREELY LEFT Muslim countries in the 40s-70s?!?  Get serious.  Those communities had existed there peacefully for centuries.  The difference was the rising tide of anti semitism following the establishment of the state of Israel. Suddenly, the Jews were unwelcome, to say the least. They were robbed and abused, their property siezed, and forced out.

 

Take Libya, for example. Jews had lived there for 2000 years, yet spontaniously all decided to move? Today exactly zero Jews live in that country.

 

98% of Jews living in Middle Eastern countries left in the two decades after 1948.  Just got happy feet all of a sudden?  

5 minutes ago, Somjot said:

May I remind everybody that in the first decades after the creation of Israel in all those meetings and summits to find an agreement or a deal fair for both sides Palestinians weren`t even allowed to partake because Israel refused to recognize Palestine and even later they were only allowed to attend as observers.

 

So again, what deals?

 

Except those which can be summarized as: "We keep everything we stole. You keep everything we did not steal yet. We keep total control over you."

Not stole. Conquered through victory in wars they did not start. Much like Germany lost territory for losing 2 world wars. 

 

All this angst towards a country the size and population of a single American state, surrounded by 500 million Arabs/Muslims.  

14 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

The reality is different. Israel is about 2% of the total area of the Middle East. The rest, 98%, is various Muslim/Arabic land.  Yet they still want that 2%...

Why are you going on about the entire Middle East.? We’re taking about ‘greater Israel’
Cant you face the truth, shown in maps. 

5 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

The famous quote from Golda Meir comes to mind:

“We can forgive the Arabs for killing our children. We cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children. We will only have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us”

 

Oh yes, those famous quotes from Golda Mabovitch, born in Ukraine same as her ancestors and moved to Wisconsin as a kid and somehow thinks she has a right to the land in Palestine because of her being Jewish.

 

More right than those people living there for many generations so that she can kill "their sons" and later blame the Palestinians for the murder committed by her own people.

 

 Sounds familiar. Same Israelis right now, stating they cannot forgive Palestinians for making them kill 18.000 Palestinian kids.

 

Pathetic!

 

Same some perv seeing some sexy dressed woman in a park and later lamenting "Oh, I will never forgive her for making me rape her."

 

Can`t you see how ridiculous that sounds?

4 minutes ago, JimCM said:

Why are you going on about the entire Middle East.? We’re taking about ‘greater Israel’
Cant you face the truth, shown in maps. 

Because it is a regional issue, so the entire region is important.

 

Egypt alone is ten times the population and 15 times the area of Israel.  Your hyper zoomed in maps which portray Israel as a big bully are counterfactual and distorted. 

24 minutes ago, JimCM said:

Rubbish, where are you getting this nonsense from?
The PLO were not even invited to Camp David, this was a peace treaty between Egypt and Israel.

The accords offered NO independence, NO end to illegal Israeli settlements, NO right of return for refugees and NO capital in Jerusalem.

The Palestinians have always chosen the wrong path.  Think of where they would be if they had accepted the 1947 agreement.  You act like they have no agency.   

10 minutes ago, Somjot said:

Sounds familiar. Same Israelis right now, stating they cannot forgive Palestinians for making them kill 18.000 Palestinian kids.

Don't start wars.   

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

Because it is a regional issue, so the entire region is important.

 

Egypt alone is ten times the population and 15 times the area of Israel.  Your hyper zoomed in maps which portray Israel as a big bully are counterfactual and distorted. 

You are acting irrationally. Egypt is bigger than Israel so Israel has the right to steal Palestinian land???? Take a step back man and see you insane this is.

My maps are accurate, however much you dislike the facts made clear.

take a look and try to understand why the world hates Smotrich, Ben Gvir, Netanyahu and co.

 

6 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

98% of Jews living in Middle Eastern countries left in the two decades after 1948.  Just got happy feet all of a sudden?  

 

YES!

 

Because they were happy to move to their newly created own Jewish country, something they did not have for about 2000 years.

 

Again, MOST of them left freely and unharmed. And motivated by all those Jewish organizations actively supporting their migration.

 

Just a few, if any, were deported.

 

This narrative about almost a Million Jews being driven out of Arab countries after 1948 is just a Zionist lie to justify the Nakba.

 

Buddy, I LIVED in Iran in the late 70ies. I had many Jewish friends. None of them were treated badly, neither in the time of the Shah nor later after January 1979 when the Ayatollahs took over. Some then decided to leave for Israel fearing the new Muslim regime, some stayed and do so since then - unharmed.

 

That propaganda about every Muslim wanting to kill all Jews is absolute BS.

6 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Not quite.

 

Hamas attacked Israel, unprovoked, with the intention of causing terror. They were under orders to kill, maim, rape, and destroy. There was no military objective. Explain the attack on the Nova music festival as anything other than cold blooded murder. 

 

Unprovoked?

 

Are you kidding?

 

Only between 01.01.23 and 06.10.23  about 236 Palestinians were shot. 191 in 2022, 328, most of them in Gaza in 2021 and so on.

 

Their main intention was to capture hostages to trade them for detained Palestinians, many of them without charge and/or minors.

 

6 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Israel responded, as is their right.

 

Nope, they have no right to start a war in occupied territory.

 

6 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

They tried to minimize civilian casualties while at the same time waging war on Hamas. A difficult task. 

 

And they did a <deleted>ty job so far:

 

look at the numbers:

 

Hamas took 251 hostages on October 7 and killed about 1200.

 

At least 14 Israeli civilians were killed by the IDF's use of the Hannibal Directive on that day.

 

The IDF attacked Gaza in order to rescue the hostages and end Hamas.

 

They bombed almost every building to "rescue" the hostages, I mean, what can go wrong.

 

We don`t know how many hostages died in captivity because of the IDF.

 

3 were shot by IDF soldiers despite holding white flags and shouting in Hebrew.

 

The IDF rescued only 8 hostages in those 2 years and killed 70.000 Palestinians.

 

They killed more hostages than they rescued.

 

Most hostages were released during cease fires, despite Israel was always against cease fires.

 

I don`t know what those Billions of Taxdollars the US gave them in form of money and weapons have been used for but surely not for effectivity.

 

Oh, and Hamas is still there.

 

Great job,  Incapable Dumb Faggots

 

6 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Unlike Hamas, who sought to MAXIMIZE civilian casualties.

 

Nope, Israel did that by rejecting ceasefires and keep bombing their own people in captivity.

 

6 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

As we have seen, the killing by the IDF ended as soon as a ceasefire was signed. Hamas? Not so much. 

 

Did ist. Afaik Israel has killed a few Palestinians in the last days.

Some testimony from Western Doctors who volunteered in Gaza.

 

What kind of war criminal destroys over 60 dialysis machines condemning over 350 children and adults to death?

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DI3zyZWsGFc/?igsh=empyOWtjMjVyMHZ0

5 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Some testimony from Western Doctors who volunteered in Gaza.

 

What kind of war criminal destroys over 60 dialysis machines condemning over 350 children and adults to death?

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DI3zyZWsGFc/?igsh=empyOWtjMjVyMHZ0

Hamas

6 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Some testimony from Western Doctors who volunteered in Gaza.

 

What kind of war criminal destroys over 60 dialysis machines condemning over 350 children and adults to death?

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DI3zyZWsGFc/?igsh=empyOWtjMjVyMHZ0

 

Just now, Yellowtail said:

Hamas

 

Actually, it was the IDF, they even filmed themselves doing it.

1 minute ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

 

Actually, it was the IDF, they even filmed themselves doing it.

Actually, it was Hamas

Just now, Yellowtail said:

Actually, it was Hamas

 

Nonsense, the Doctors are quite clear about who it was. They were there.

Just now, JBChiangRai said:

 

Nonsense, the Doctors are quite clear about who it was. They were there.

The "Doctors" are liars that support Hamas. 

European Doctors who are clearly not Arabs.  Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound?

Just now, JBChiangRai said:

European Doctors who are clearly not Arabs.  Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound?

Oh, only Arabs support Hamas, and there are no Europeans that support Hamas? Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound?

 

 

8 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Oh, only Arabs support Hamas, and there are no Europeans that support Hamas? Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound?

 

 

 

Do you think Western Doctors go to Gaza because they support Hamas and want to work for free?  Or do you think they have a calling to be a Doctor and go volunteer there because they want to help?

1 hour ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

Do you think Western Doctors go to Gaza because they support Hamas and want to work for free?

They don't work for free. 

1 hour ago, JBChiangRai said:

Or do you think they have a calling to be a Doctor and go volunteer there because they want to help?

Yes, they want to help eradicate Israel. 

4 hours ago, Somjot said:

 

YES!

 

Because they were happy to move to their newly created own Jewish country, something they did not have for about 2000 years.

 

Again, MOST of them left freely and unharmed. And motivated by all those Jewish organizations actively supporting their migration.

 

Just a few, if any, were deported.

 

This narrative about almost a Million Jews being driven out of Arab countries after 1948 is just a Zionist lie to justify the Nakba.

 

Buddy, I LIVED in Iran in the late 70ies. I had many Jewish friends. None of them were treated badly, neither in the time of the Shah nor later after January 1979 when the Ayatollahs took over. Some then decided to leave for Israel fearing the new Muslim regime, some stayed and do so since then - unharmed.

 

That propaganda about every Muslim wanting to kill all Jews is absolute BS.

Great post. I admire how you put up with and debunk the ridiculous Zionist propaganda by our Jewish friends.

4 hours ago, Somjot said:

 

YES!

 

Because they were happy to move to their newly created own Jewish country, something they did not have for about 2000 years.

 

Again, MOST of them left freely and unharmed. And motivated by all those Jewish organizations actively supporting their migration.

 

Just a few, if any, were deported.

 

This narrative about almost a Million Jews being driven out of Arab countries after 1948 is just a Zionist lie to justify the Nakba.

 

Buddy, I LIVED in Iran in the late 70ies. I had many Jewish friends. None of them were treated badly, neither in the time of the Shah nor later after January 1979 when the Ayatollahs took over. Some then decided to leave for Israel fearing the new Muslim regime, some stayed and do so since then - unharmed.

 

That propaganda about every Muslim wanting to kill all Jews is absolute BS.

Iran was far more secular than the other Muslim majority countries. Also not Arab, and relatively far from Israel.  Even so, 80% of Jews fled after 1979.

 

As for the rest, I believe Irwin Cotler, human rights advocate and Canadian Minister of Justice, who said;

 

The result was, therefore, a double Nakba: not only of Palestinian-Arab suffering and the creation of a Palestinian refugee problem, but also, with the assault on Israel and on Jews in Arab countries, the creation of a second, much less known, group of refugees—Jewish refugees from Arab countries.

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

The "Doctors" are liars that support Hamas. 

You are trollin or unwilling to face reality by your immoral .

 

 

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/video/newsfeed/2025/6/2/video-israel-demolishes-the-only-kidney-dialysis-centre-in-gaza

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

Oh, only Arabs support Hamas, and there are no Europeans that support Hamas? Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound?

 

 

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/-jXeVUjoyog

 

In any case, we are drifting a bit from the original topic, which is whether or not Gaza is/was an open air prision.

 

Those who agree that it was, or that it was a concentration camp, I would love to hear your definition of those terms, and how they apply to Gaza.

No state will give anyone in Gaza a visa.