4 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Paying an underage person for sex is illegal in the US and most other countries in the world.  Agreed, he denies it so he's not been convicted or charged. 

 

I agree that stripping down the royal family is a good idea.  I truly hope that when William ascends to the throne, he will agree to abdicate and the government of the day can create republic.

 

I doubt he paid for anything.  That's just the nature of hanging out in those circles.  It's all paid for by others.  He was the product more than the customer.

 

Offensive & unnecessary post removed 

 

@JimCM

6 hours ago, JonnyF said:

There is no doubt that he is an arrogant buffoon, but I can't help feeling he's been made a sacrificial lamb to take the heat off the royal family.

 

He's never been convicted of anything, and even the "crime" he was accused of (sleeping with a 17 year old) is not illegal in the country in which it took place. Unwise? Yes. A bit sordid? Maybe. But not illegal, and it hasn't even been proved that he did it. All we have is a story from the proven liar Guiffre, a deeply troubled individual who herself recruited girls for Epstein and who stood to gain millions from telling such a story. 

 

I'd rather Harry and Rachel had been stripped of the titles. Hopefully they're next. 

 

 

 

I totally agree with you, lol.

He likes young women but isn’t a pedophile like some are suggesting.

50 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

And who do you suggest would be a suitable president ? There would no doubt be plenty of contenders, all of which would be totally unsuitable. 

I am no fan of the royals but the king or queens hereditary  position as head of state ensures that position never falls into the  hands of the likes of Blair or any other washed up ex government minister  or god forbid a wannabe reality TV star  

That would be up to the voters.

12 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

I doubt he paid for anything.  That's just the nature of hanging out in those circles.  It's all paid for by others.  He was the product more than the customer.

 

Yes, that might be his defence!  Someone paid, but most likely Epstein.  

5 hours ago, JonnyF said:

I believe William and Charles made a pact. Charles removes Andrew. William removes Harry. Top bombing.

I very much doubt it. Both Royal  Dukes yes,  both younger brothers of the sovereign, but totally different situations. Andrew brought shame on the family through vile behaviour, which certainly probed the boundaries of what is criminal. That is what, ultimately sank him. Harry is just an insensitive self entitled plonker, an idiot.

 

Andrew was an existential threat to the monarchy, he had to be sorted. Harry is not, he is just an irritant. He is really already becoming irrelevant, and I suspect that both the King and The Prince of Wales will just ignore him, let sleeping dogs lie?

24 minutes ago, JAG said:

I very much doubt it. Both Royal  Dukes yes,  both younger brothers of the sovereign, but totally different situations. Andrew brought shame on the family through vile behaviour, which certainly probed the boundaries of what is criminal. That is what, ultimately sank him. Harry is just an insensitive self entitled plonker, an idiot.

 

Andrew was an existential threat to the monarchy, he had to be sorted. Harry is not, he is just an irritant. He is really already becoming irrelevant, and I suspect that both the King and The Prince of Wales will just ignore him, let sleeping dogs lie?

 

Harry is more than just an irritant, basically saying that the Royal Family is racist, Charles was a failure as a father, William married Catherine out of convenience etc. He's trying to destroy them, ruin the Queen's legacy, ruin their whole reputation. And unlike Andrew he is doing it deliberately rather than as an unintended consequence of being an entitled buffoon. 

 

William will strip him of the titles. You'll see. I'm always right. 

18 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Harry is more than just an irritant, basically saying that the Royal Family is racist, Charles was a failure as a father, William married Catherine out of convenience etc. He's trying to destroy them, ruin the Queen's legacy, ruin their whole reputation. And unlike Andrew he is doing it deliberately rather than as an unintended consequence of being an entitled buffoon. 

 

William will strip him of the titles. You'll see. I'm always right. 

William and Kate now sleeping in seperate rooms, while Will is seen out and about with assorted ageing actresses ...... His marriage appears to be a shame just like Charles and Di.

32 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

William and Kate now sleeping in seperate rooms, while Will is seen out and about with assorted ageing actresses ...... His marriage appears to be a shame just like Charles and Di.

 

I've no idea how you know that to be true but even if that is the case, what difference does it make?

35 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

William and Kate now sleeping in seperate rooms, while Will is seen out and about with assorted ageing actresses ...... His marriage appears to be a shame just like Charles and Di.

 

I have to inform you that is totally untrue. 

8 hours ago, JonnyF said:

"Allegations" from a mentally unwell, proven liar, ex-prostitute and self-proclaimed procurer of children for Epstein who swore she'd never accept a settlement because it was about justice for the victims, before taking 12 million dollars out of court and then committing suicide?

This exemplifies victim-blaming by distorting Giuffre's trauma as a trafficking survivor into attacks on her credibility, wrongly labeling her an "ex-prostitute" and "self-proclaimed procurer of children" while ignoring the coercion inherent in Epstein's pyramid scheme, as corroborated in Ghislaine Maxwell's 2021 conviction; it dismisses her mental health struggles (PTSD from abuse) as proof of unreliability and calls her a "proven liar" based on litigation spin rather than evidence like flight logs and photos that support her claims against Prince Andrew. Framing her 2022 settlement (~£12M) as hypocritical overlooks its role in avoiding retraumatization and funding advocacy amid a stark power imbalance, while weaponizing her tragic April 2025 suicide as a "gotcha" is ghoulish exploitation that highlights the abuse's devastating toll rather than falsifying her decades-old allegations.

 

Overall, this ad hominem pile-on sidesteps Andrew's own Epstein ties and evidence, perpetuating barriers to justice in imbalanced sexual abuse cases where survivors face smears that deter reporting.

5 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

David Beckham

nah  he may have once  been  a good footballer but he is as thick as the rest of them, 

3 hours ago, BritManToo said:

William and Kate now sleeping in seperate rooms, while Will is seen out and about with assorted ageing actresses ...... His marriage appears to be a shame just like Charles and Di.

 

   Kate might be back at home banging the Gardener ?

4 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

That would be up to the voters.

which has not worked out too well recently 

9 hours ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

Being cute and daft at the same time eh? I said context, it isn't about him personally being prosecuted, he wasn't of course and made a 12m payout to shut it down, it's about the broader U.S. federal criminal investigation and convictions tied to Epstein's operation, in which Giuffre's allegations against Andrew are embedded as an alleged instance of exploitation within that network.

 

And guess who personally pitched in 8 million of her own 'hard-earned'?

 

Yes, it was @JonnyF's favourite Monarch and mum to her most favoured son, the dead Queen Liz. He was mummy's boy and maybe that was the root cause of his colossal disconnect from reality.

2 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

which has not worked out too well recently 

That's true.  But after the disastrous previous 14 years, I'm still giving them time.   Not that Keir Starmer is ever likely to win a British presidential election!

6 hours ago, JonnyF said:

You'll see. I'm always right. 

Rather makes debate and discussion superfluous, across the board, although it does simplify matters I suppose!😂

14 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Erm no.

 

He’ll go lower once the Epstein files are released.

 

Which is precisely why he’s being tossed to the curb right now.

 

Damage control, nothing else.

And taking Trump with him

13 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

I doubt most of us have been accused of taking kickbacks or inappropriately selling access to family position.

 

Maybe not but a very large number here - judging by posts made - will have sexually exploited vulnerable very young girls. The excuses will be much the same as those offered by Mr Andrew Mountbatten Windsor.

The icing on the cake of injustice here is of course the family of former teenage prostitute turned extortionst and documented liar Virginia Giuffre having the cold brass nerve to say "today a prince was brought down by the truth and courage of an ordinary girl"...It's so perverse you have to laugh. Calling Virginia, the teenage prostitute and multi-million pound extortionist and liar, an ordinary girl,  and claiming it was her "truth", not her shameless lies, that brought the Prince down. 

 

A comfortable joke to make for the family benefitting from the 16 million pound settlement Giuffre secured from the Royal family with her iles. Her truth...lol...you gotta laugh.

12 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Are over 65 year olds supposed to still have 'job skills'?

How many people that age are still working as commercial helicopter pilots?

Yes, 65 year olds will have job skills.Many people work well into their 70's and even later. 

Age 65 does not mean that one must stop doing anything productive. Much  of the world's charities rely on the  volunteer work and the expertise of older people. They have a tremendous reservoir of knowledge  and skills. Andrew could have contributed by being active, much as Princess Anne is. She is without doubt the hardest working member of the Royal family. In 2023, the Telegraph reported that the  73 year old Anne (now 75)  attended 457 engagements. She has been almost as busy in 2025. The elderly 81 year old  Prince Richard of Gloucester managed to participate in 126 events in 2024.  Andrew never attended events unless it was to his benefit. How is it that Anne was able to work so hard and to stay out of trouble?  Andrew has been a mooch since the 1980's. Now he will be a burden to Charles.

 

On 10/31/2025 at 7:33 AM, JonnyF said:

There is no doubt that he is an arrogant buffoon, but I can't help feeling he's been made a sacrificial lamb to take the heat off the royal family.

 

He's never been convicted of anything, and even the "crime" he was accused of (sleeping with a 17 year old) is not illegal in the country in which it took place. Unwise? Yes. A bit sordid? Maybe. But not illegal, and it hasn't even been proved that he did it. All we have is a story from the proven liar Guiffre, a deeply troubled individual who herself recruited girls for Epstein and who stood to gain millions from telling such a story. 

 

I'd rather Harry and Rachel had been stripped of the titles. Hopefully they're next. 

I assume yours is a parody account to post nonsense and click bait for the forum as no one in their right mind can seriously back a nonce over a victim. You are correct on the bit about the family throwing him under the bus, I'll give you that but any family would.

27 minutes ago, WorriedNoodle said:

I assume yours is a parody account to post nonsense and click bait for the forum as no one in their right mind can seriously back a nonce over a victim. You are correct on the bit about the family throwing him under the bus, I'll give you that but any family would.

 

Nonce you say?

 

Could you link to the convictions please. 

12 hours ago, JAG said:

Rather makes debate and discussion superfluous, across the board, although it does simplify matters I suppose!😂

 

Not really. We can debate and discuss and then when reality bites others can either disappear or whine.

 

Brexit and Trump vs Harris two recent examples. 

3 hours ago, WorriedNoodle said:

I assume yours is a parody account to post nonsense and click bait for the forum as no one in their right mind can seriously back a nonce over a victim. You are correct on the bit about the family throwing him under the bus, I'll give you that but any family would.

 

I have wondered too if @JonnyF is a parody account, as he's aways around to stir things up.  But I do mostly agree with him here; Andrew is an obnoxious, arrogant idiot who enjoyed banging young prostitutes, but not a "nonce".  Neither he nor Epstein have ever been linked with prepubescent girls (to the best of my knowledge).

On 10/31/2025 at 7:11 AM, BritManToo said:

I feel sorry for the poor chap, he's done nothing most of us haven't done.

Charles has also done loads of dodgy stuff which they never publish.

And William seems to have a thing for actresses.

 

I'd prefer him as king to Charles or William.

Well said.

At least Andrew put in a solid stint in the military as a serving officer unlike most of his whining critics.

6 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

At least Andrew put in a solid stint in the military as a serving officer unlike most of his whining critics.

Nothing to do with it, all the Royals do a stint in the Military, even loopy Harry...🤗

3 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

Nonce you say?

 

Could you link to the convictions please. 

 

How does that duck analogy go again?

 

Saville...quack, al Fayed...quack quack, Smith...quack quack quack

20 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

At least Andrew put in a solid stint in the military as a serving officer unlike most of his whining critics.

 

Just reading about a former British soldier being jailed after the young female cadet he sexually assaulted a few years back commited suicide shortly after the assault.

 

Military service isn't a measure of anyone's moral character.