2 hours ago, Mark Nothing said:

Louis Pasteur and his germ theory has created the biggest and most successfully profitable religious cult in the history of the world.

 

The definition of religion in the Merriam Webster dictionary is an organized set of beliefs, attitudes, and practices, whose followers have a commitment and devotion to their god that is intensely passionate.

 

The Holy Bible refers to this poisonous religion as an abomination whose members will be cursed with destruction.  

One of the problems we 'non-believers' have to face, is that this cult has an amazing reach.

Down the decades it has promoted the changing of word meanings.

 

I'll give a couple of examples. Virus. Pandemic. Epidemic. Vaccine.

 

Didn't Jesus smash the money tables?! This white-coat cult is one of the biggest money frauds of our time. And in the name of keeping people healthy!?

 

I hope to see the day when they face destruction.

5 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

200 years of quackery more like.

 

Some members are so quick to speak bad of others, cause they don't understand where it's at.

 

Diseases! The body expressing its desire to get back into balance.

I'm not speaking bad of you at all. I'm simply stating a fact: you have no expertise in the field of health or medicine and yet you deny discoveries that have been proven beyond any reasonable doubt. Why do antibiotics cure illnesses? Why do vaccines work? Why is it that when you eat a food containing ecoli you become sick? Is that because the "terrain" or your body suddenly changes? Why have Beauchamp's "microzymas" never been found? Viruses have been isolated: the Covid, polio, and influenza viruses have all been isolated. You think there's some big scam going in science? The evidence is so overwhelming that it isn't even worth arguing about.

On 11/3/2025 at 11:11 AM, NoDisplayName said:

 

And there it is..............."it's only a theory."

Newtons theory o gravity,

only a theory

Electromagnetic theory.

only theories.

E = MCC

theory

1 minute ago, jaywalker2 said:

I'm not speaking bad of you at all. I'm simply stating a fact: you have no expertise in the field of health or medicine and yet you deny discoveries that have been proven beyond any reasonable doubt. Why do antibiotics cure illnesses? Why do vaccines work? Why is it that when you eat a food containing ecoli you become sick? Is that because the "terrain" or your body suddenly changes? Why have Beauchamp's "microzymas" never been found? Viruses have been isolated: the Covid, polio, and influenza viruses have all been isolated. You think there's some big scam going in science? The evidence is so overwhelming that it isn't even worth arguing about.

This post deserves a decent reply Sir. If I may; I'll take the points above and respond.

 

'',,you have no expertise in the field of health or medicine,,'' Actually I have.

 

",,discoveries that have been proven beyond any reasonable doubt.'' I look for truths in science. edice has to be proven. 'Beyond any reasonable doubt', don't cut the mustard in my book.

 

"Why do antibiotics cure illnesses?" Only the body can heal. Antibiotics are just that anti-bio (anti-life). They suppress symptoms.

 

"Why do vaccines work?" They don't. Not only don't they work, but IOM, that cause great harm and suffering. www.dissolvingillusions.com goes over all the vaccines and investigates.

 

",,when you eat a food containing ecoli you become sick." Eating dirty food triggers protection responses from the body. That's obvious is it not?

 

"Why have Beauchamp's "microzymas" never been been found? Difficult one this. Is it because they are bio-electrical rather than chemical in nature?

 

"Viruses have been isolated: the Covid, polio, and influenza viruses have all been isolated." They have not Sir. This is a fallacy. One of the big fundamental medical frauds.

 

"You think there's some big scam going in science?" Bang on the money with this one Sir.

 

"The evidence is so overwhelming." Really!? Let's debate. Show me some and I'll respond.

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

"Why do antibiotics cure illnesses?" Only the body can heal. Antibiotics are just that anti-bio (anti-life). They suppress symptoms.

 

antibiotics are anti-bacterials. they prevent bacteria from multiplying.

 

unfortunately, they also kill good bacteria in the gut.

so it's not a perfect system at all.

but it accomplishes the desired effect.

to suggest they are useless is stupid.

 

5 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

antibiotics are anti-bacterials. they prevent bacteria from multiplying.

 

unfortunately, they also kill good bacteria in the gut.

so it's not a perfect system at all.

but it accomplishes the desired effect.

to suggest they are useless is stupid.

 

 

Drinking kefir while taking antibiotics is a good way to mitigate the negative effects, I have found. The probiotics compensate.

2 hours ago, jaywalker2 said:

I'm not speaking bad of you at all. I'm simply stating a fact: you have no expertise in the field of health or medicine and yet you deny discoveries that have been proven beyond any reasonable doubt. Why do antibiotics cure illnesses? Why do vaccines work? Why is it that when you eat a food containing ecoli you become sick? Is that because the "terrain" or your body suddenly changes? Why have Beauchamp's "microzymas" never been found? Viruses have been isolated: the Covid, polio, and influenza viruses have all been isolated. You think there's some big scam going in science? The evidence is so overwhelming that it isn't even worth arguing about.

 

I recommend reading the Germ Theory House of Cards article posted on page 1.

4 hours ago, Mark Nothing said:

Louis Pasteur and his germ theory has created the biggest and most successfully profitable religious cult in the history of the world.

 

The definition of religion in the Merriam Webster dictionary is an organized set of beliefs, attitudes, and practices, whose followers have a commitment and devotion to their god that is intensely passionate.

 

The Holy Bible refers to this poisonous religion as an abomination whose members will be cursed with destruction.  

 

Another indicator of a cult is when its members show hostility towards those who challenge it.

 

"Discredited doctor who lost their medical license" = heretic who spoke against the cult and was punished by excommunication.

 

"Conspiracy theorist" = blasphemer against the cult.

9 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Drinking kefir while taking antibiotics is a good way to mitigate the negative effects, I have found. The probiotics compensate.

 

Yeah, but the point is your pal is disregarding ALL medical interventions as either completely useless or harmful or both.

 

2 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

Yeah, but the point is your pal is disregarding ALL medical interventions as either completely useless or harmful or both.

 

 

Stiddle has interesting views and though I don't necessarily subscribe to everything he says, his posts are often a good base for discussion and reconsideration of one's beliefs.

 

It is striking to observe the hostility he triggers in people, who get very emotional and hyperbolic because their belief system is called into question.

27 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

Yeah, but the point is your pal is disregarding ALL medical interventions as either completely useless or harmful or both.

 

If I am Rattles' pal, I should respond. If I'm not the person you infer/refer to; well; I'll respond anyway.

 

As I have often said; if yer get a machete lodged in yer head, get to A & E AQAP. Can't think of a better place to go.

 

But! For lasting and meaningful health, one should take control. Not put yer health into someone's hands, who don't really want to make you better, but just wants to flog you a 'cure'. A cure that often gets yer hooked; maybe forever.

12 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

If I am Rattles' pal, I should respond. If I'm not the person you infer/refer to; well; I'll respond anyway.

 

As I have often said; if yer get a machete lodged in yer head, get to A & E AQAP. Can't think of a better place to go.

 

But! For lasting and meaningful health, one should take control. Not put yer health into someone's hands, who don't really want to make you better, but just wants to flog you a 'cure'. A cure that often gets yer hooked; maybe forever.

 

Antibiotics for infections and statins for cholesterol are not the same thing.

 

Although antiobotics have been over-prescribed in instances when the body could have healed itself with rest and chicken soup, they are also a powerful and useful and necessary medical intervention that have saved many lives. In the case of a serious infection, we are up creek without anti-biotics. 

 

Why not give some credit where credit is due?

 

A hard-working researcher stayed up many nights trying to invent this technology to benefit humans.

 

Of course people are more than happy to profit from this, but that doesn't mean some well-intentioned researcher sacrificed much of their lives to come up with this to help humans. 

 

 

12 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

But! For lasting and meaningful health, one should take control. Not put yer health into someone's hands, who don't really want to make you better, but just wants to flog you a 'cure'. A cure that often gets yer hooked; maybe forever.

 

In the case of sth like statins, yes they will try to get you hooked forever.

It's a profit based model.

And being on meds for decades is not ideal to treat chronic illness. 

 

But most people are quite happy with the arrangement as they will never exercise in their life and they will never get the crap out of their diet that is harming their cardiovascular health.

 

Some doctors are creating their own private practices to get away from this traditional model.

 

Revero is one such company.

Instead of putting people on endless meds, they coach people to get healthy.

But probably costs a lot of $$$, but you might eventually save money by not taking meds.

 

https://www.revero.com/

 

 

 

15 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Didn't Jesus smash the money tables?!

 

Name one industry that isn't corrupt.

Jesus didn't accomplish much by smashing those tables. 

 

1 hour ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Another indicator of a cult is when its members show hostility towards those who challenge it.

 

"Discredited doctor who lost their medical license" = heretic who spoke against the cult and was punished by excommunication.

 

"Conspiracy theorist" = blasphemer against the cult.

Yes, a monopoly on ideas and outlawing dissent.  The exact opposite of truth.  Story after story in the Holy Bible identifies their modus operandi of chicanery.

 

I have been collecting microzyma for years by evaporating living water.  It looks like baking soda when completely dry.  I have tried eating it a few times, but didn't really notice any obvious affect.  Any recommendations on how to use a few jarfulls of microzymas?  Did Bechamp have any recommendations.

43 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

In the case of sth like statins, yes they will try to get you hooked forever.

It's a profit based model.

And being on meds for decades is not ideal to treat chronic illness. 

 

But most people are quite happy with the arrangement as they will never exercise in their life and they will never get the crap out of their diet that is harming their cardiovascular health.

 

Some doctors are creating their own private practices to get away from this traditional model.

 

Revero is one such company.

Instead of putting people on endless meds, they coach people to get healthy.

But probably costs a lot of $$$, but you might eventually save money by not taking meds.

 

https://www.revero.com/

 

 

 

I try to help people help themselves. For free.

 

Understanding how, and why, the body works is key. Once people are awake, with understanding their own bodies, they don't go back to sleep.

 

31 minutes ago, Mark Nothing said:

Yes, a monopoly on ideas and outlawing dissent.  The exact opposite of truth.  Story after story in the Holy Bible identifies their modus operandi of chicanery.

 

I have been collecting microzyma for years by evaporating living water.  It looks like baking soda when completely dry.  I have tried eating it a few times, but didn't really notice any obvious affect.  Any recommendations on how to use a few jarfulls of microzymas?  Did Bechamp have any recommendations.

 

I couldn't tell you as this is all relatively new to me too. Will post if I come across anything though.

27 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Once people are awake, with understanding their own bodies, they don't go back to sleep.

 

 

"Once people are awake […] they don't go back to sleep."

 

A principle applicable to many areas.

5 minutes ago, Mark Nothing said:

Yes, a monopoly on ideas and outlawing dissent.  The exact opposite of truth.  Story after story in the Holy Bible identifies their modus operandi of chicanery.

 

I have been collecting microzyma for years by evaporating living water.  It looks like baking soda when completely dry.  I have tried eating it a few times, but didn't really notice any obvious affect.  Any recommendations on how to use a few jarfulls of microzymas?  Did Bechamp have any recommendations?

My take on your post Sir.

 

Firstly; I'm not at all sure they can be collected Mark. Once they are taken out of their environment they quickly deteriorate and die.

 

Scientists; Gaston Naessens, and Antoine Béchamp particularly, documented tiny living entities within the blood (pleomorphic forms). They were called microzymas. The discovery of them was/is suppressed and ridiculed. And their importance described as insignificant; even today. Why? Because they are to be actually seen, and represent blood biology in real time.

 

The truth of what is actually in the blood conflicted with the 'germ theory, promoted by the Rockefeller and Carnegie $$$s in the early 1900s.

 

They could seemingly change form under different stress conditions, and can clearly be seen under light microscopy. Dr H Hillman, and Dr H Bigelsen, expanded our knowledge of these tiny entities.

 

While today’s (often) misread electron microscope slides are used as evidence of imaginary entities, microzymas are there for any white-coat that cares to take a look. They don't care to look and interpret too much however.

 

Our bodies are far more complex, adaptive, and natural than these $$$ scientists and white-coats would have us believe. What’s being sold as 'viral illness', and disease, is nothing more than a misrepresentation of reality; and one that distracts from true healing.

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

This is a BOLD statement here ...

Are you ready? Drum roll ...

 

https://juniperpublishers.com/jojnhc/pdf/JOJNHC.MS.ID.555658.pdf

 

The Future of Medicine Lies in Microzyma Research, Not in Stem Cell Research; Flexner the Germ Theory Fiend

 

Let the medical world stop clutching straws and begin to grasp the living, luscious plant. Studying stem cells might improve health; but studying microzymas might hold the key to immortality itself!!!

More interesting factoids on this link, FYI if anyone is interested:

 

https://juniperpublishers.com/jojnhc/pdf/JOJNHC.MS.ID.555658.pdf

 

Prior to Flexner there were schools of eclectic medicine all over the USA. These schools did not reject the germ theory. They taught germ theory medicine AS WELL as physiotherapy, electrotherapy, osteopathy etc. As the US government started to enforce the 1910 Flexner report one by one these eclectic medical institutions were shut down. Since America was the most influential country on earth it wasn’t long before other countries toed the line.

 

Even practices like homeopathy and hydrotherapy dismissed by Flexner have been recognized by the WHO as not being entirely useless and are rapidly making a comeback as “complementary medicine".

 

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

My take on your post Sir.

 

Firstly; I'm not at all sure they can be collected Mark. Once they are taken out of their environment they quickly deteriorate and die.

 

Scientists; Gaston Naessens, and Antoine Béchamp particularly, documented tiny living entities within the blood (pleomorphic forms). They were called microzymas. The discovery of them was/is suppressed and ridiculed. And their importance described as insignificant; even today. Why? Because they are to be actually seen, and represent blood biology in real time.

 

The truth of what is actually in the blood conflicted with the 'germ theory, promoted by the Rockefeller and Carnegie $$$s in the early 1900s.

 

They could seemingly change form under different stress conditions, and can clearly be seen under light microscopy. Dr H Hillman, and Dr H Bigelsen, expanded our knowledge of these tiny entities.

 

While today’s (often) misread electron microscope slides are used as evidence of imaginary entities, microzymas are there for any white-coat that cares to take a look. They don't care to look and interpret too much however.

 

Our bodies are far more complex, adaptive, and natural than these $$$ scientists and white-coats would have us believe. What’s being sold as 'viral illness', and disease, is nothing more than a misrepresentation of reality; and one that distracts from true healing.

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

Thank you for your input.

 

The core essence of Antoine Bechamp's theory concerning microzyma is the eternal nature of them. He reports that they are indestructable. He called microzyma basic fundamental seeds of life that persist even after the death and decomposition of the larger organism. Bechamp found microzyma in all environments to include soil, air, water and rock even.

 

I have been aging urine, which is 55% of blood's makeup, for years now and it continues fermenting and shapeshifting year after year.  When fully evaporated, there remains a substance with the consistency of white baking soda.  Other times the consistency more closely resembles dark soil.

 

My experience indicates the microzyma can ferment and shapeshift based on my actions both mental and physical.  The most profound positive results occur by learning and implementing the belief structure as contained in the Holy Bible.  Moses, in his blessings and curses speech reported curses and destruction to health will affect those who adopt poison beliefs and blessings and good health will result from adopting and implementing correct beliefs.  The microzyma ferment and shapeshift accordingly.  Essentially the Divine hand gets added or subtracted based on the microzyma fermentation and shape<deleted>ing.

@gamb00ler, the commitment and diligence with which you go over every single one of my posts to add a thumbs down or a laugh is both flattering and, as I mentioned before, a little creepy.

 

If it makes you happy though, and as long as you don't start sending me PMs, feel free to continue 

LOL... the dilettantes in this thread provide amazing amusement.  Collect all their 'science' knowledge together and you would still be behind an average grade school graduate.

 

I'm glad AN created this 'off the beaten track'... more entertaining to read the science challenged posters preening in prose like old drag queens in gaudy boas.

7 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

This post deserves a decent reply Sir. If I may; I'll take the points above and respond.

 

'',,you have no expertise in the field of health or medicine,,'' Actually I have.

 

",,discoveries that have been proven beyond any reasonable doubt.'' I look for truths in science. edice has to be proven. 'Beyond any reasonable doubt', don't cut the mustard in my book.

 

"Why do antibiotics cure illnesses?" Only the body can heal. Antibiotics are just that anti-bio (anti-life). They suppress symptoms.

 

"Why do vaccines work?" They don't. Not only don't they work, but IOM, that cause great harm and suffering. www.dissolvingillusions.com goes over all the vaccines and investigates.

 

",,when you eat a food containing ecoli you become sick." Eating dirty food triggers protection responses from the body. That's obvious is it not?

 

"Why have Beauchamp's "microzymas" never been been found? Difficult one this. Is it because they are bio-electrical rather than chemical in nature?

 

"Viruses have been isolated: the Covid, polio, and influenza viruses have all been isolated." They have not Sir. This is a fallacy. One of the big fundamental medical frauds.

 

"You think there's some big scam going in science?" Bang on the money with this one Sir.

 

"The evidence is so overwhelming." Really!? Let's debate. Show me some and I'll respond.

I notice you couldn't answer any of my questions.  What expertise do you have, besides possibly reading Dissolving Illusions, Turtles All the Way Down, and other pseudo-science books?  

 

When I had a bladder infection, I went to the hospital, had a blood test, and was prescribed an antibiotic. The infection was gone in three days. How do you explain that?

 

How was smallpox eradicated? And polio? Please explain if it wasn't the vaccines. Also how is it that measles has made a reappearance as the number of vaccinated decreases. Why was it that measles reappearedin Samoa, where the percentage of vaccinated had fallen below 40 percent, and not in any other countries in the area? Please explain.

 

I had tetanus as a child. Stepped on a rusty nail. By the time it was discovered, the blood poisoning was halfway up my thigh. Another couple of hours and I would have been dead. I went to the hospital, had an injection of antibiotics, and was healed. Did the "terrain" of my body suddenly shift? Did the injection give me a new terrain? I feel like a fool even asking such questions.

 

Why is it that no one now gets smallpox if it wasn't a contagious disease and the vaccines did no good. Shouldn't it still be popping up all over the place? 

 

Why do you feel a compulsion to quote people who have been discredited by actual  reputable scientists who have made a contribution to the progress of medicine. Name one medical advance achieved by Susan Humphries, a failed nephrologist who now practices homeopathy and apparently derives most of her income by telling lies about vaccines.

 

Finally, why do you feel compelled to be so strident, stubborn and irrational? 

 

 

 

 

On 11/4/2025 at 3:35 AM, rattlesnake said:

 

I found this article to be very interesting.

 

The Germ Theory House of Cards

 

“There is no doctrine so false that it does not contain some particle of truth.  It is thus with microbian doctrines.” What Béchamp was referring to is that germ theory is dangerous precisely because it contains elements of truth within it. However, it is a bending of truth mixed with falsehoods. While germs and microbes do exist, they are not the outside pathogenic invaders as envisioned by Louis Pasteur. As demonstrated by Antoine Béchamp's research, these entities are found within us at all times, and they can either be a reflection of health or disease depending upon the internal terrain of the individual. When healthy, microbes live harmoniously within us, resulting in normal fermentation processes. However, if the conditions change due to imbalances from unhealthy living, these entities will evolve into other forms (bacteria, yeast, fungi, mold) as required by the body at the time to restore balance. This is known as pleomorphism, which is a central tenet of the terrain theory of disease that is in stark contrast to the germ theory of diseases’ monomorphic view.

 

https://viroliegynewsletter.substack.com/p/the-germ-theory-house-of-cards

Your mistake is your failure to recognize that germ theory succeeded because it led to the cure of diseases. Nobody has ever been cured of anything by terrain theory. Beauchamp's theory of microzymas led nowhere. Germ theory on the other hand led to the development of antibiotics and the cure of legions of diseases including syphillis, which had been the scourage of the Western world. It's amazing to me that some people actually want to return to the dark ages. Let's resume blood letting as well! And the theory of the four humors! Or maybe disease is actually caused by demonic beings.

6 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Stiddle has interesting views and though I don't necessarily subscribe to everything he says, his posts are often a good base for discussion and reconsideration of one's beliefs.

 

It is striking to observe the hostility he triggers in people, who get very emotional and hyperbolic because their belief system is called into question.

Go ahead.... chase those wild geese.  Most of us consider that effort humorous until the rampant misinformation can cause harm.

 

As for 'belief system is called into question' that is utter nonsense.  The practice of science is in fact based on the assumption that we know little but can through stepwise refinement establish how the natural world works.  That's not a belief system that's a set of practices that effectively throw out useless information while retaining what has been found to be relevant.

 

Scientists use ladders built by those who came before.  You guys use shovels to dig up the craziest notions from the muck.

53 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

@gamb00ler, the commitment and diligence with which you go over every single one of my posts to add a thumbs down or a laugh is both flattering and, as I mentioned before, a little creepy.

 

If it makes you happy though, and as long as you don't start sending me PMs, feel free to continue 

If you don't post nonsense you will never hear from me.  But... I know.... you can't help yourself.  So, keep posting the elegantly worded idiotic ideas.  If you like it better I can give a clear rebuttal of pretty much all the silly ideas you promulgate.

1 minute ago, gamb00ler said:

If you don't post nonsense you will never hear from me.  But... I know.... you can't help yourself.  So, keep posting the elegantly worded idiotic ideas.  If you like it better I can give a clear rebuttal of pretty much all the silly ideas you promulgate.

 

'Nonsense' is a subjective and questionable concept to say the least. What is 'nonsense' today may not be tomorrow.

 

Do you think the Covid vaccine saved millions of lives?

13 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

The practice of science is in fact based on the assumption that we know little but can through stepwise refinement establish how the natural world works.  That's not a belief system that's a set of practices that effectively throw out useless information while retaining what has been found to be relevant.

 

Right, so I assume you watched Peter McCullough's Congress testimony about the Covid vaccine and have taken it into account to refine your view? Or have his findings 'not found to be relevant'?