https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/covid-anti-vax-hospitalised-america-b1857838.html

On 11/5/2025 at 2:31 AM, rattlesnake said:

You can't because there are none.

 

Anyway, this guy sums up the Covidiocy in a couple of minutes.

 

 

There are loads: Deaths of anti-vaccine advocates from COVID-19 - Wikipedia

25 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

There are loads: Deaths of anti-vaccine advocates from COVID-19 - Wikipedia

Hi Frits buddy. Not addressed to me, but, if I may!

 

I personally do not subscribe to covid existing in the first place. The big question is then; how can someone catch something that don't exist?

 

Whoever edited the Wiki page is a dunce. And is certainly a 'Germ Theory' advocate. A theory, by the way Fritz, born in 1910, and has been held together by $$$ ever since. And where does the dosh that the white-coats enjoy come from? Big Pharma profits.

 

Can Kennedy get in there where it hurts, and expose the Germ Theory nonsense. It's not on his agenda, or even on the radar, so I'll not beholding my breath.

 

 

39 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

There are loads: Deaths of anti-vaccine advocates from COVID-19 - Wikipedia

Lol.

 

There are also loads of “influencers” who pushed the vax.  And they’re dead now.

 

https://www.bitchute.com/video/TXWXirDdLlhN

 

You think we’re not keeping score too?   
 

Now go do something about your weight.

23 hours ago, Madgee said:

Absolute BS.
I had a growth on my forehead diagnosed as a stage 2 malignant melanoma 20 years ago. Within 4 weeks, I was fast-tracked (NHS) and had a life-saving operation to remove the melanoma before it could spread to other parts of my body.

A friend's wife in Thailand had a malignant stomach tumour diagnosed in the early stages, and could have had it removed, but chose not to due to her beliefs. 3 months later, I was attending her funeral.

Your preachings are nasty and have no place on this forum, AFAIC. You deserve a stump up your middle. Karma will come and get you sooner than you think.
As far as COVID is concerned, it's over. Give it a rest and move on with life ... If you have one that is.

Good that you are still with us Sir.

 

My take on health is simple. Give the body the tools, stay away from toxins, and it will look after itself.

 

In your case something caused the problem in the first place. Address that and you will not see an escalation. Same with your friend's wife. Get to the root causes. Could be a body lacking minerals over a long time. Or exposure to toxicity. That's why Nature should be taught in schools.

 

Prevention by looking after the body is obviously better than 'slash', 'cut' n 'burn'.

16 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Do you know anybody who didn't take it and regrets it now?

I would say someone close took mRNA vax and died soon after, but was it related ?

I will never know either way.

 

And if it turns out mRNA can prevent cancers and there is solid evidence with low/no sides I would consider it. But I'm not jumping on the experimental monkey bandwagon myself.

 

I only took the non-mRNA one for the benefit of someone else.

I was 50 50 on taking it if alone.

21 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

I am all with dr Roger Hodkinson who answered the question whether we should 'forgive and forget' , with a powerful Absolutely NOT.   Watch this 1 minute clip! 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just following orders............. and of course ,  MONEY .     
 

The world is just one big Mafia ................ each country a family.   the banking system, a family.  the medical cartel, a family.   the blackrocks and their like, a family.   the militaries , support for each individual family ,  the who, wef, u.n.. european union etc,etc a family , the us ,a melting pot of families .    

 

some of you are familiar with my favorite  "the swarm" video......by dr. shiva .   It is ingrained in my head forever.  All is so obvious in every encounter with anyone with power.    

Wayyy too many humanoids inhabiting this planet .    The cockroaches have really taken over .  

And the cockroach kings  laugh as they come off the golf course and have their martinis.

 

the individual trying to live free , earn an honorable living , and be justly rewarded with a comfortable "retirement" ....... forget about it !

 

 

1 hour ago, novanova said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/covid-anti-vax-hospitalised-america-b1857838.html

 

I'm not talking about BS media stories from 2021 pushing logical fallacies.

 

The question pertains to whether there are real people who claim today that they regret their choice not to be vaccinated.

17 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

It's called AlterAI and you can give it a try on https://alter.systems/

 

It's pretty funny. This thing is actually on board with the Covid conspiracy. 

 

Just a partial answer below here:

 

5 hours ago, jvs said:

We burned a foreigner not so long ago,he died of Covid and was antivax.

 

 

Ergo he would not have died if he was vaxxed… The Gold Standard of Logic!

 

Back on topic, do you know anyone who did not take the vaccine and now claims they would take it if this were 2021 again?

2 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

It's pretty funny. This thing is actually on board with the Covid conspiracy. 

 

Just a partial answer below here:

 

 

Nice!

11 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

It couldn't possibly be any otherwise.

Bzzzzt..... thanks for playing..... better luck next time.

 

It's obvious you have never studied statistics, educated yourself on the types of studies, learned how to properly design studies to eliminate bias or effectively used them.  Your statement is wrong.

 

Anytime that a person is included in a study because of a decision that the person has made.... there is a selection bias to the study and the conclusions of the study are weakened.  That is why the gold standard of studies are double blinded with random selection.... to remove the biases introduced by choices of the participants.

11 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

Bzzzzt..... thanks for playing..... better luck next time.

 

It's obvious you have never studied statistics, educated yourself on the types of studies, learned how to properly design studies to eliminate bias or effectively used them.  Your statement is wrong.

 

Anytime that a person is included in a study because of a decision that the person has made.... there is a selection bias to the study and the conclusions of the study are weakened.  That is why the gold standard of studies are double blinded with random selection.... to remove the biases introduced by choices of the participants.

 

And you should learn to read properly.

 

The matter at hand was raw statistics such as those published by health authorities until mid-2023, i.e. XX people were in hospital at a given date, XX% of which were vaxxed and XX% of which were unvaxxed. This isn't about studies.

 

 

9 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

And you should learn to read properly.

 

The matter at hand was raw statistics such as those published by health authorities until mid-2023, i.e. XX people were in hospital at a given date, XX% of which were vaxxed and XX% of which were unvaxxed. This isn't about studies.

 

 

It is not the fault of the raw statistics...... they're fine except for use in a study.  It's the attempt to convert biased statistics into an unbiased study.     Let's see if you can actually see why the statistics you wish to use would have a bias.  It's a rather obvious bias but I'm sure you're blind to it.

 

With just a cursory analysis I can see two biases in the statistics.

6 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Yes, Google is definitely not your friend (with friends like that, who needs enemies...)  

See this recent thread I opened > https://aseannow.com/topic/1377998-how-google-manipulates-vaccine-perception/

 

And likewise the mainstream AI systems like ChatGPT can and will deceive you as they provide the illusion that

- they take all sources into consideration when answering your query, and

- that their responses and conclusions are unbiased

Anyone who is knowledgeable in areas outside the 'accepted narrative' will quickly find that out.  

Mainstream AI systems are ONLY useful as long as the topic queried is not controversial or challenging the 'accepted narrative'. 

 

But I know of one AI chatbot that takes ALL sources into consideration when providing a response to your query.  And the intent of the developpers of that chatbot was to provide you with an HONEST unbiased answer, irrespective whether you like its response or not.  

I tested it out and the quality of its responses is simply amazing.  

It's called AlterAI and you can give it a try on https://alter.systems/

In a different thread I described my experience using that AI system, as I was underwhelmed by the obvious biased responses from ChatGTP on some of my queries. 

> https://aseannow.com/topic/1377998-how-google-manipulates-vaccine-perception/#findComment-20203265

 

 

Thanks RP !      i just tried it out with "are there good reasons to not believe that covid vaccines are safe and effective"...........what a refreshing feedback i received !

 

google and wikileaks (among others)  was more like :  "we have independently searched our paid by sources and the overwhelming response is that you are a dangerous person .  Please beware that you are being watched !

54 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

It's pretty funny. This thing is actually on board with the Covid conspiracy. 

 

Just a partial answer below here:

 

 

try the question i just posed and read the whole answer

Show me one real person who regrets not taking the Covid vaccine

 

 

Are they not the dead one's?

58 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

Back on topic, do you know anyone who did not take the vaccine and now claims they would take it if this were 2021 again?

 

sorry , i know i rattle some with my off topic excursions .   rumak does have a SHORT attention span 🤪

 

(i know you were not directing that at me ....but my apologies nonetheless)

1 hour ago, rattlesnake said:

 

I'm not talking about BS media stories from 2021 pushing logical fallacies.

 

The question pertains to whether there are real people who claim today that they regret their choice not to be vaccinated.

 

Like all the creationists, anti-vaxxers, fake moonlanders, Intelligent Design advocates, Flat Earthers etc etc you have no idea of how science works. Asking for one example here or there is no better that bar-room gossip.

 

You really have no idea of even the basics. But, nothing can prevent you flapping away in the delusion that you have some clever insight that tens of thousands of highly-intelligent, ethical hard-science PhDs don't have.

 

This is called the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/chapter/bookseries/abs/pii/B9780123855220000056

 

Unfortunately, it's too hard for you to understand

36 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

And you should learn to read properly.

 

The matter at hand was raw statistics such as those published by health authorities until mid-2023, i.e. XX people were in hospital at a given date, XX% of which were vaxxed and XX% of which were unvaxxed. This isn't about studies.

 

 

You were trying to draw a conclusion based on statistics.... you're the one at fault for trying to use those statistics to determine some relationship to outcomes.  That makes your use of the statistics a 'study'.

 

One more post underpinning my conclusion about your lack of analytical thought.  Don't despair... you're sadly not alone out there.

9 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

It is not the fault of the raw statistics...... they're fine except for use in a study.  It's the attempt to convert biased statistics into an unbiased study.     Let's see if you can actually see why the statistics you wish to use would have a bias.  It's a rather obvious bias but I'm sure you're blind to it.

 

With just a cursory analysis I can see two biases in the statistics.

 

For the second time, teacher, I am not talking about studies, projections and estimations, but about raw data.

 

Here is the UK source for your convenience. I am referring specifically to the 'count of deaths' column.
Don't hesitate to contribute your brilliant analytic skills to enlighten us on why they stopped reporting those raw stats in mid-2023.

 

 

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland

16 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

Show me one real person who regrets not taking the Covid vaccine

 

 

Are they not the dead one's?

 

We are alive, unfortunately, though I understand we don't deserve to be.

15 minutes ago, rumak said:

 

sorry , i know i rattle some with my off topic excursions .   rumak does have a SHORT attention span 🤪

 

(i know you were not directing that at me ....but my apologies nonetheless)

 

Indeed it was directed at the sophists, of which you are not. 

1 minute ago, rattlesnake said:

 

For the second time, teacher, I am not talking about studies, projections and estimations, but about raw data.

 

Here is the UK source for your convenience. I am referring specifically to the 'count of deaths' column.
Don't hesitate to contribute your brilliant analytic skills to enlighten us on why they stopped reporting those raw stats in mid-2023.

 

 

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland

Please.... just accept the fact that regarding statistics, mathematics, physics, chemistry.... you're clueless.   I'm sure your soap opera scripting job misses you.

8 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

For the second time, teacher, I am not talking about studies, projections and estimations, but about raw data.

 

Here is the UK source for your convenience. I am referring specifically to the 'count of deaths' column.
Don't hesitate to contribute your brilliant analytic skills to enlighten us on why they stopped reporting those raw stats in mid-2023.

 

 

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland

So have you been trying to figure out why the statistics you wish to bet your reputation on are biased?

 

What makes the raw data unuseable in a study?  OK.... I really mean what makes it unuseable in a study to establish causality?

5 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

Please.... just accept the fact that regarding statistics, mathematics, physics, chemistry.... you're clueless.   I'm sure your soap opera scripting job misses you.

 

Clearly you are a rattlesnake fanboy. Here is the link to become a paid subscriber:

 

https://pennylanefineart.com/products/jaxn689

18 minutes ago, novanova said:

 

Like all the creationists, anti-vaxxers, fake moonlanders, Intelligent Design advocates, Flat Earthers etc etc you have no idea of how science works. Asking for one example here or there is no better that bar-room gossip.

 

You really have no idea of even the basics. But, nothing can prevent you flapping away in the delusion that you have some clever insight that tens of thousands of highly-intelligent, ethical hard-science PhDs don't have.

 

This is called the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/chapter/bookseries/abs/pii/B9780123855220000056

 

Unfortunately, it's too hard for you to understand

 

Yeah, I know. Nothing like Remdesivir and a ventilator to get you back on the right side of Science™.

 

Anyway, do you know people who didn't take the Covid vax and now regret it?

21 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

The system is so corrupt that yes, a complete overhaul is needed, not some patching here and there. It's the tough truth and the sooner the majority gets on board with it, the better the improvement prospects will be.

 

as i keep saying ........ even those "smart ones" using debate style tactics ....are just unreachable . Facts,  real facts , when put in their face still elicit the same old "sooooo, that don't prove nothin" 

 

21 minutes ago, rumak said:

 

as i keep saying ........ even those "smart ones" using debate style tactics ....are just unreachable . Facts,  real facts , when put in their face still elicit the same old "sooooo, that don't prove nothin" 

 

 

It's because we're too dumb to understand "science", rumak.

 

So far, nobody has reported knowing an unvaccinated person who regretted their choice. "Because they're all dead" is the preferred retort. Ideally, those superior minds would explain how we can all be dead on the one hand, and on the other hand still constitute "a rising threat".

 

September 2025:

 

 

7 hours ago, impulse said:

 

You mean the "experts" whose careers were ruined if they didn't kowtow to the accepted narrative?

 

For about 2 years after my Pfizer injury, the doctors told me they didn't know what caused my symptoms, but it wasn't the jab.  Finally, 2 years later (on my 3rd visit to the ER), they quietly conceded that my symptoms were a commonly reported side effect of the Pfizer.

I don't think anyone ever claimed there were zero side effects to any vax or in fact any pill or much of anything else that goes into your body . I suppose some number of kids also had bad reactions to polio and measles vaxes as well.  Meantime millions upon millions of people avoided horrible diseases with no ill effect.

 

Yes some people likely had an adverse reaction but all the data that has been reported and assembled by reputable hospitals, doctors, scientists. insurance companies, from all over the world  will tell you very clearly that the covid vax without doubt saved millions of lives.   I'll take their data over a few Pattaya and monday morning quarterback experts anyday.