1 hour ago, rattlesnake said:

 

By the way, gamb00ler, what is the vaccination status of all the people currently hospitalised with – and dying from – Covid?

Since you seem obsessed with using statistics in your made up conclusions, why not use your time to study how to collect and use statistics correctly.  Read up on 'selection bias' and methods to eliminate that problem.

 

You should find it much more rewarding than chasing meaningless quotes on incredibly questionable sites like Twitter.

21 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

Since you seem obsessed with using statistics in your made up conclusions, why not use your time to study how to collect and use statistics correctly.  Read up on 'selection bias' and methods to eliminate that problem.

 

You should find it much more rewarding than chasing meaningless quotes on incredibly questionable sites like Twitter.

 

Yeah, I'm baffled too. Great minds think alike, eh?

 

An inconvenient question indeed.

27 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

Since you seem obsessed with using statistics in your made up conclusions, why not use your time to study how to collect and use statistics correctly.  Read up on 'selection bias' and methods to eliminate that problem.

 

You should find it much more rewarding than chasing meaningless quotes on incredibly questionable sites like Twitter.

 

2 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Yeah, I'm baffled too. Great minds think alike, eh?

 

An inconvenient question indeed.

Your response illustrates a serious comprehension problem.

45 minutes ago, gargamon said:

Ooh, that was hard. The list appears to be endless so I'll just post a few.

 

https://samhealth.org/news/albany-dad-regrets-not-getting-vaccinated/

https://www.businessinsider.com/covid-19-patients-ozarks-regret-not-getting-vaccinated-video-2021-8

 

 

The question does not refer to obsolete PR stunts, but to actual people you know who claim today they regret not taking the vaccine back in 2021 and 2022.

1 minute ago, gamb00ler said:

 

Your response illustrates a serious comprehension problem.

 

I'm just as incapable as you of answering the Status Question. Why, I wonder, not show the raw data and shut the antivaxxers up for good?

Let's keep brainstorming, gamb.

15 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

I'm just as incapable as you of answering the Status Question. Why, I wonder, not show the raw data and shut the antivaxxers up for good?

Let's keep brainstorming, gamb.

you'll never understand why the raw data is not useful for drawing conclusions.... you're a lost cause regarding proper collection of data for purposes of drawing a medical conclusion.

32 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

The question does not refer to obsolete PR stunts, but to actual people you know who claim today they regret not taking the vaccine back in 2021 and 2022.

You are wasting my oxygen. You know what to do.

On 11/7/2025 at 3:55 AM, rattlesnake said:

Science

 

RFK Jr is another spin doctor, putting out a particular message when it suits whatever agenda he wants to support. 

 

But RFK Jr here is just narrowing in on facts to support his thesis.

It doesn't mean everything he says is not accurate or valid.

But it's not "holistic". 

 

What are you inferring from this? That we ban all pharmaceuticals? 

 

Some medications have serious issues and maybe are released without adequate testing.

But what RFK Jr. neglects to mention is that if you suddenly ban the pharmaceutical industry and ALL pharmaceuticals, maybe 15% of the population would drop dead tomorrow morning. A lot of these drugs are extending people's lives. 

 

You act as though you've never popped a pill or never met anyone who popped a pharmaceutical.

 

What do you do in your real life? You go around to all the elderly people taking pharmaceuticals for various ailments and you confiscate their meds for their own good? 

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

RFK Jr is another spin doctor, putting out a particular message when it suits whatever agenda he wants to support. 

 

But RFK Jr here is just narrowing in on facts to support his thesis.

It doesn't mean everything he says is not accurate or valid.

But it's not "holistic". 

 

What are you inferring from this? That we ban all pharmaceuticals? 

 

Some medications have serious issues and maybe are released without adequate testing.

But what RFK Jr. neglects to mention is that if you suddenly ban the pharmaceutical industry and ALL pharmaceuticals, maybe 15% of the population would drop dead tomorrow morning. A lot of these drugs are extending people's lives. 

 

You act as though you've never popped a pill or never met anyone who popped a pharmaceutical.

 

What do you do in your real life? You go around to all the elderly people taking pharmaceuticals for various ailments and you confiscate their meds for their own good? 

 

 

 

 

 

MAHA.......and not one single word on tobacco or alcohol.........makes you think!!

 

 

 

 

12 hours ago, cmsally said:

 

 

It's a complete farce.

The Covid vaccine has absolutely nothing to do with cancer.

 

If you look at all substances that have been identified as carcinogenic, the body can withstand these toxic substances for years and years (in fact, many decades usually) before cancer ever sets in. Smoking a pack of cigarettes will never give you cancer. You have to smoke at least 10,000 packs maybe. Plus all the other garbage you put in your mouth. 

 

One dose of any vaccine has nothing whatsoever to do with cancer.

 

It shows that the conspiracy side is highly corrupt in the information it's putting out and basically fear-mongering. 

 

You guys mock "science", except when some conspiracy guy interprets alleged sound and reliable scientific studies to suit your narrative. Anyone can manipulate anything for any agenda. 

 

 

 

45 minutes ago, cmsally said:

 

The study did not establish causality and is under editorial review for methodological flaws. Experts note that the spike likely reflects diagnostic rebound—delayed screenings during the pandemic followed by catch-up diagnoses—not vaccine-induced cancer. The figure is relative risk, not absolute, and lacks adjustment for confounders like prior infection, health-seeking behavior, and screening access.

 

The journal issued a formal notice of concern, and medical authorities continue to affirm vaccine safety. No biological mechanism has been found linking vaccines to oncogenesis, and global surveillance shows no causal trend. This is a textbook case of correlation misused as causation—statistical noise amplified into misinformation. Until replicated with proper controls and mechanistic evidence, the claim remains unsubstantiated.

On 11/6/2025 at 9:29 AM, Stiddle Mump said:

Utter nonsense Sir.

 

There is no such thing as a viral illness.

And your professional qualifications for making the statement are....?

Professional you tube watcher doesn't count.

2 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

And your professional qualifications for making the statement are....?

Professional you tube watcher doesn't count.

 

Don't engage......friendly advice.

On 11/6/2025 at 1:04 PM, Stiddle Mump said:

Education. Kids in school should be taught about nature as a subject. What nature has to offer and how it effects us; from the food we eat, to the water we drink, to the air we breathe, to the polluting of it. 

When I was very young, in infants school as it was called then, we learnt a rhyme. " Coughs and sneezes spread diseases, catch them in your handkerchief"

It was true then and still true today, substituting masks for handkerchiefs.

Guess what.....viruses are real, regardless of what YouTube tells you.

On 11/6/2025 at 4:58 PM, Stiddle Mump said:

I'll not beholding my breath.

Please do.

On 11/5/2025 at 5:33 AM, georgegeorgia said:

Yes unfortunately these people lack empathy, at least the doctor in Pattaya has empathy for me and that's why I go to Pattaya so I can get all my tests done .

Every year I have blood tests ,prostate tests , ultrasound,Ct scans 

I don’t believe that you have a CT Scan every year….but if you do what is being looked at … and is it with a contrast medium … prostrate tests …there is more than one prostrate test?…enlighten me. I’m beginning to wonder if you are foul of bull****

On 11/6/2025 at 7:13 PM, rattlesnake said:

 

Yeah, I know. Nothing like Remdesivir and a ventilator to get you back on the right side of Science™.

 

Anyway, do you know people who didn't take the Covid vax and now regret it?

You need to give up asking the same stupid question. Why would someone regret not taking the vax five years ago and are perfectly healthy now. It really is a silly question.

Perhaps a better question might be, how many family members who lost a loved one who refused the vax and subsequently died, regret not encouraging them to take the vax.

20 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

You need to give up asking the same stupid question. Why would someone regret not taking the vax five years ago and are perfectly healthy now. It really is a silly question.

That's the best that the quacks can do.... I believe they're putting forth their best effort.  Just like the alchemists.... many devoted much effort to their cause.

 

It's not their fault.... it's in their genes or maybe somebody slipped then a vaccine.

 

 

2 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

you'll never understand why the raw data is not useful for drawing conclusions.... you're a lost cause regarding proper collection of data for purposes of drawing a medical conclusion.

 

Your bafflement is leading you astray.

 

The conclusions were drawn for us ad nauseam for two years, when we were bombarded with the trope (still pushed, including on this thread) that 'most people in hospital with Covid are unvaccinated', based on raw data, i.e. you have 100 people in hospital, 80 of which are classed as unvaccinated, therefore 80% of hospitalised people are unvaccinated and that proves the vaccine works. That's it. That was the only basis for the rationale. It isn't my reasoning, it is the reasoning of the entire establishment, from the health agencies to the media outlets.

 

A practical example for your convenience, from June 2021 (this has not aged well):

 

Nearly all COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. now are in people who weren’t vaccinated, a staggering demonstration of how effective the shots have been and an indication that deaths per day — now down to under 300 — could be practically zero if everyone eligible got the vaccine.

An Associated Press analysis of available government data from May shows that “breakthrough” infections in fully vaccinated people accounted for fewer than 1,200 of more than 107,000 COVID-19 hospitalizations. That’s about 1.1%.

And only about 150 of the more than 18,000 COVID-19 deaths in May were in fully vaccinated people. That translates to about 0.8%, or five deaths per day on average.

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-941fcf43d9731c76c16e7354f5d5e187

 

We now know that the tally was fraudulent because of the Covid protocols. This fraud would no longer be possible now, but still, given there are currently lots of people still being hospitalised, and given what a resounding success the Covid vaccine has been, why is this counting method not used anymore? It sure would help poor old Peter Hotez push his message, he even wrote a book on the rising threat of antivaxxers and his powerlessness on how to counter them.

 

Unless, of course, the data says something inconvenient. But surely that is not the case?

55 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

You need to give up asking the same stupid question. Why would someone regret not taking the vax five years ago and are perfectly healthy now. It really is a silly question.

Perhaps a better question might be, how many family members who lost a loved one who refused the vax and subsequently died, regret not encouraging them to take the vax.

 

Quite the contrary, there should be hordes of unvaccinated people who got horribly sick, have long Covid, lost lung capacity, sense of smell, etc., who can see that everyone who took the vax is in perfect health, and therefore realise they were wrong in retrospect. It was announced that we would live through a nightmarish, endless purgatory, remember? Let's have some testimonies. You can't say they all died, we are alive and well and very numerous – don't take my word for it, ask Peter Hotez (who is himself a picture of health, I must add):

 

 

8 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

We now know that the tally was fraudulent because of the Covid protocols.

 Where did you find this nugget?  Please provide a link.

9 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

why is this counting method not used anymore?

What counting method are you referring to?

10 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

Your bafflement is leading you astray.

I am not baffled except by your willful ignorance of proper data gathering methodologies.  In the field of medicine this is particularly difficult to get correct because people conducting studies cannot put the health of participants in danger.

7 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

Quite the contrary, there should be hordes of unvaccinated people who got horribly sick, have long Covid, lost lung capacity, sense of smell, etc., who can see that everyone who took the vax is in perfect health, and therefore realise they were wrong in retrospect. It was announced that we would live through a nightmarish, endless purgatory, remember? Let's have some testimonies. You can't say they all died, we are alive and well and very numerous – don't take my word for it, ask Peter Hotez (who is himself a picture of health, I must add):

what a load of utter nonsense comprised of extreme extrapolations of the opinions of health care professionals.  Every post you make digs your reputation down to a new subterranean level.

8 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

 Where did you find this nugget?  Please provide a link.

 

 

16 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

What counting method are you referring to?

 

I have literally just explained it to you. As the educated adult in the room, you should be paying more attention. Also take into account this, for your convenience:

 

 

On 11/5/2025 at 2:31 AM, rattlesnake said:

You can't because there are none.

Yes, because they are all dead.

4 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

5 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

By the way, gamb00ler, what is the vaccination status of all the people currently hospitalised with – and dying from – Covid?

Not my line of work.

 

A surprising display of humble ignorance, from someone who has a plethora of previous posts condescendingly claiming to know everything on this matter.

 

Granted, it is a very inconvenient question, which so far nobody has answered.

3 minutes ago, SpaceKadet said:

Yes, because they are all dead.

 

We are very much alive and 'a rising threat'. Try again.

2 hours ago, cmsally said:

 

 

All countries in the world are observing a cancer explosion since 2023, but… baffled!

24 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

what a load of utter nonsense comprised of extreme extrapolations of the opinions of health care professionals.  Every post you make digs your reputation down to a new subterranean level.

 

Just wondering how the "winter(s) of death and severe illness" went.