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Trump to void all docs allegedly signed by Biden with autopen

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2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Yep. Common law rules of agency. Emphasis added.

 

I know you will read the report sooner or later. If you havent already.

An opinion that can be admitted in Court. But in the intro Comer seems to want to go after the staff not necessarily Biden himself.

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2 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

"The Autopen is not allowed to be used if approval is not specifically given by the President of the United States,"

That about ends that nonsense.

 

Maybe void all documents signed by 45 as well? Sorry, even that does not work that way.

1 minute ago, Alan Zweibel said:

If Andrew McCarthy,  a former federal prosecutor who writes on legal matters for the National Review, is an ignoramus you have a point.  Otherwise, not so much. What's more, I have no way of knowing whether you have actually read the report.

Translation: I cant read the report because it will destroy the false reality I have built for myself. Therefore, I shall just continue to flame and spin and deflect.

44 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Translation: I havent read the report and have no idea of the law involved. I prefer to spew ignorant nonsense.

As you regularly do.............:coffee1:

2 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

An opinion that can be admitted in Court. But in the intro Comer seems to want to go after the staff not necessarily Biden himself.

I try to confine myself to the facts because personally, I find Comer to be a pompous jerk so Im not interested in his opinion. I want facts.

 

I dont think anyone blames Biden, most folks feel sorry for him, its his staff that took advantage.

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Just now, Yagoda said:

Translation: I cant read the report because it will destroy the false reality I have built for myself. Therefore, I shall just continue to flame and spin and deflect.

If that's what you call a translation, once again you have demonstrated your limited command of the English language. What don't you understand about the fact that whatever conclusions they draw, has nothing to do with the legality of the use of the autopen?

4 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

That about ends that nonsense.

 

Maybe void all documents signed by 45 as well? Sorry, even that does not work that way.

What documents were signed by autopen during the first Trump Presidency?

1 minute ago, Alan Zweibel said:

If that's what you call a translation, once again you have demonstrated your limited command of the English language. What don't you understand about the fact that whatever conclusions they draw, has nothing to do with the legality of the use of the autopen?

Pounding that keyboard isnt going to help. You dont know the facts or the law.  What is the next irrelevancy you want to offer?

Just now, Yagoda said:

Pounding that keyboard isnt going to help. You dont know the facts or the law.  What is the next irrelevancy you want to offer?

You, answering my question................🤫

6 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

I try to confine myself to the facts because personally, I find Comer to be a pompous jerk so Im not interested in his opinion. I want facts.

 

I dont think anyone blames Biden, most folks feel sorry for him, its his staff that took advantage.

I meant the opinion of the Office of Legal Counsel 2005 can be admitted in court.

 

But it would seem any legal culpability on Biden's staff would a Washington DC venue.

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Just now, Yagoda said:

Pounding that keyboard isnt going to help. You dont know the facts or the law.  What is the next irrelevancy you want to offer?

What don't you understand about the fact that I relied on the opinion of Andrew McCarthy, a former federal prosecutor who writes about legal matters for the National Review? How many times do I have to write this before it sinks in?

And, you, of course, have not demonstrated that you possess  any sort of legal expertise. Or, for that matter, that you have read the report.

 

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7 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Pounding that keyboard isnt going to help. You dont know the facts or the law.  What is the next irrelevancy you want to offer?

We found universal agreement among legal scholars that the Constitution doesn’t require a pardon’s direct human signing, and subsequent judicial decisions and legal memoranda support an autopen’s use for similar purposes. Legal scholars also agreed that there is no constitutional mechanism to overturn pardons once granted.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/fact-checking-trumps-claim-that-biden-pardons-are-void-because-he-used-an-autopen?utm_source=chatgpt.com

That report was from March so as someone on here might say THEY haven't read the October Comer report.

3 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

We found universal agreement among legal scholars that the Constitution doesn’t require a pardon’s direct human signing, and subsequent judicial decisions and legal memoranda support an autopen’s use for similar purposes. Legal scholars also agreed that there is no constitutional mechanism to overturn pardons once granted.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/fact-checking-trumps-claim-that-biden-pardons-are-void-because-he-used-an-autopen?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Whats your point? Nothing to do with the subject. again

 

 

As discussed on here before, it might take something like indicting Ms. Cheney and then having her blanket pardon in contest from either side.

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Just now, Yagoda said:

Whats your point? Nothing to do with the subject. again

 

 

You've really got to do a better job of pretending to have serious knowledge of the law if this sentence alone strikes you as being irrelevant

"Legal scholars also agreed that there is no constitutional mechanism to overturn pardons once granted."

 

Maybe there is something to be said for a cabinet system of government.

 

Churchill, despite the excessive powers he often assumed in bypassing the Imperial General Staff to give orders directly to theatre and army commanders, was on occasion over-ridden by a dissenting cabinet majority.

 

"Winston Churchill formed his War Cabinet in May 1940. To begin with, it had five members, including himself. Over the course of the war he enlarged it to suit circumstances, but never to more than eight members at one time. Only two members remained constant: Churchill himself and Labour Party leader Clement Attlee. Three others served for most of the war: Anthony Eden, a Conservative; the great trade unionist Ernest Bevin; and a non-party man with Conservative inclinations, Sir John Anderson. Herbert Morrison, a Labour man, served for nearly three years. Others who served for shorter periods included most notably the former Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain, and also Lord Halifax, Lord Beaverbrook, and Sir  Stafford Cripps.

 

"Led by Winston Churchill, these men, and some others, steered Britain through the greatest crisis in her modern history. Churchill’s War Cabinet has been deservedly celebrated ever since.  But the story is more complicated than is often thought. Obviously the War Cabinet warred against the Nazis, but its members sometimes warred against each other."

 

[ source: https://winstonchurchill.org/publications/finest-hour/finest-hour-168/ministers-at-war/

18 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

I meant the opinion of the Office of Legal Counsel 2005 can be admitted in court.

 

But it would seem any legal culpability on Biden's staff would a Washington DC venue.

Absolutely. However, what if the entire process is instituted by the Feds seeking the reimprisonment of someone? I say that venue would lie in the District where the Defendant resides. However, that allows Jill or whoever to take 5. So I would think that the first thing is going to be a prosecution of a Biden aide in DC

 

 

21 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

What don't you understand about the fact that I relied on the opinion of Andrew McCarthy, a former federal prosecutor who writes about legal matters for the National Review? How many times do I have to write this before it sinks in?

Andy McCarthy isnt God.

 

But in the USA, Blackstone is. Its concepts you apparently are unfamiliar with.

 

Why dont you chew on the question below instead of making a fool of yourself. Answer it in your head, read the report and stop your Trump tantrum.

 

I wonder how folks here are answering this question. Anybody want to quote me and replay? Or do we have waaaay to many deranged by the very initials DJT.

 

If you take my signature stamp and stamp a promissory note from me to you without me knowing, do I owe you the money?

8 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

You've really got to do a better job of pretending to have serious knowledge of the law if this sentence alone strikes you as being irrelevant

"Legal scholars also agreed that there is no constitutional mechanism to overturn pardons once granted."

 

 

And you're okay with the presidents' flunkies selling pardons that the President (according to documents and emails) had virtually no knowledge of?

 

At the very least, I'm hoping that one of the outcomes here is that each autopen signed edict should be required to have the President's thumbprint on it, so we at least know he approved it.

2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Andy McCarthy isnt God.

 

But in the USA, Blackstone is. Its concepts you apparently are unfamiliar with.

 

Why dont you chew on the question below instead of making a fool of yourself. Answer it in your head, read the report and stop your Trump tantrum.

 

I wonder how folks here are answering this question. Anybody want to quote me and replay? Or do we have waaaay to many deranged by the very initials DJT.

 

If you take my signature stamp and stamp a promissory note from me to you without me knowing, do I owe you the money?

You won't answer my question, I keep asking..................🤔

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Just now, Yagoda said:

Andy McCarthy isnt God.

 

But in the USA, Blackstone is. Its concepts you apparently are unfamiliar with.

 

Why dont you chew on the question below instead of making a fool of yourself. Answer it in your head, read the report and stop your Trump tantrum.

 

I wonder how folks here are answering this question. Anybody want to quote me and replay? Or do we have waaaay to many deranged by the very initials DJT.

 

If you take my signature stamp and stamp a promissory note from me to you without me knowing, do I owe you the money?

You're only further undermining yourself since you still cannot explain why this comment was irrelevant:

"Legal scholars also agreed that there is no constitutional mechanism to overturn pardons once granted."

In other words, there is no way that Trump can  nullify the pardons granted by Biden.

 

McCarthy isn't God but, unlike you, he is an expert. In fact, unlike you, he understands what is relevant and what is not.

 

And you clearly haven't a clue about the extraordinary deference that the Supreme Court has extended to the Presidency.

29 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

I meant the opinion of the Office of Legal Counsel 2005 can be admitted in court.

 

But it would seem any legal culpability on Biden's staff would a Washington DC venue.

So you are making a fraud allegation? I have not seen any evidence for that.

17 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

You've really got to do a better job of pretending to have serious knowledge of the law if this sentence alone strikes you as being irrelevant

"Legal scholars also agreed that there is no constitutional mechanism to overturn pardons once granted."

 

Yeah, so whats your point? Even assuming thats true.

 

Do you know ANYTHING at all about subject matter jurisdiction? 

6 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

And you're okay with the presidents' flunkies selling pardons that the President (according to documents and emails) had virtually no knowledge of?

 

At the very least, I'm hoping that one of the outcomes here is that each autopen signed edict should be required to have the President's thumbprint on it, so we at least know he approved it.

If you take my signature stamp and stamp a promissory note from me to you without me knowing, do I owe you the money?

2 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

So you are making a fraud allegation? I have not seen any evidence for that.

If you take my signature stamp and stamp a promissory note from me to you without me knowing, do I owe you the money?

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6 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

And you're okay with the presidents' flunkies selling pardons that the President (according to documents and emails) had virtually no knowledge of?

 

At the very least, I'm hoping that one of the outcomes here is that each autopen signed edict should be required to have the President's thumbprint on it, so we at least know he approved it.

Not that it would be relevant to whether Trump has the power to nullify Biden's pardons, but where in the report did it claim that pardons were sold?

But of course, if you're going to raise that issue, then what about the Binance pardon?

5 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

You're only further undermining yourself since you still cannot explain why this comment was irrelevant:

"Legal scholars also agreed that there is no constitutional mechanism to overturn pardons once granted."

In other words, there is no way that Trump can  nullify the pardons granted by Biden.

 

McCarthy isn't God but, unlike you, he is an expert. In fact, unlike you, he understands what is relevant and what is not.

 

And you clearly haven't a clue about the extraordinary deference that the Supreme Court has extended to the Presidency.

If you take my signature stamp and stamp a promissory note from me to you without me knowing, do I owe you the money?

3 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

So you are making a fraud allegation? I have not seen any evidence for that.

No I was just saying that any transgressions on the Biden staff would likely come before a WashDC grand jury just like the salami sandwich guy.

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