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Trump to void all docs allegedly signed by Biden with autopen

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8 minutes ago, transam said:

You won't answer my question, I keep asking..................🤔

If you take my signature stamp and stamp a promissory note from me to you without me knowing, do I owe you the money?

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2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Yeah, so whats your point? Even assuming thats true.

 

Do you know ANYTHING at all about subject matter jurisdiction? 

You claimed it was irrelevant to the topic of this thread.

2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

If you take my signature stamp and stamp a promissory note from me to you without me knowing, do I owe you the money?

So using your logic all the Covid checks we got with Trumps autopen signature needs to be returned...

 

BTW... We still need to see the Epstein files...  :coffee1:

3 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

No I was just saying that any transgressions on the Biden staff would likely come before a WashDC grand jury just like the salami sandwich guy.

And get just as far.

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2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

If you take my signature stamp and stamp a promissory note from me to you without me knowing, do I owe you the money?

As for as pardons go, there is no need for a signature. So what's your point?

As for the rest, ya think the Supreme Court is going to overturn legislation based on the autopen argument?

Just now, BKKKevin said:

So using your logic all the Covid checks we got with Trumps autopen signature needs to be returned... :coffee1:

That makes no sense. Are you saying the checks were forged, like it is alleged with autopen pardons?

 

You dont want to answer, do you.

If you take my signature stamp and stamp a promissory note from me to you without me knowing, do I owe you the money?

13 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

In other words, there is no way that Trump can  nullify the pardons granted by Biden.

You are right. But a Court can.

7 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

If you take my signature stamp and stamp a promissory note from me to you without me knowing, do I owe you the money?

Still no answer then, yet you slag off members on a regular basis, so....

Translation: You cannot back up your posts................:coffee1:

4 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

And get just as far.

Maybe, maybe not. Forgery of Presidential pardons is a bit much. But regardless, thats why America is the greatest country in the world. At the end of the day, the People actually do rule.

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Just now, Yagoda said:

You are right. But a Court can.

Really? Where in the Constitution is that written? Unlike you, as anyone who knows the history of why the power of the pardon is in the Constititution,  would understand that there is no way a court could overturn a pardon. 

From the minority/DEM response to the Comer report:

 

I. President Joe Biden was at all times fully fit to execute the
duties of the presidency and Republican claims of his “mental decline” have been summarily debunked 

 

The legal issue to void pardons is that regardless of what anyone testified to the committee, Biden couldn't tell you what planet he was on.

5 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

As for as pardons go, there is no need for a signature. So what's your point?

How do you prove a pardon was granted then, duh? Cite us some cases.

 

7 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

As for the rest, ya think the Supreme Court is going to overturn legislation based on the autopen argument?

I dont know that Legislative enactments are necessarily the issue as the proof is rather evident, but thats up to the Supreme Court. 

 

But hey, you havent read the report yet LOL

If you take my signature stamp and stamp a promissory note from me to you without me knowing, do I owe you the money?

The autopen is a recurring thought in Trump's unsophisticated thinking. Another one is Obamacare. Another is Epstein. Another is brown people immigrating.

4 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Really? Where in the Constitution is that written? Unlike you, as anyone who knows the history of why the power of the pardon is in the Constititution,  would understand that there is no way a court could overturn a pardon. 

Federal Question Jurisdiction. Want the citation? Want me to write the Question for you? 

Just now, Briggsy said:

The autopen is a recurring thought in Trump's unsophisticated thinking. Another one is Obamacare. Another is Epstein. Another is brown people immigrating.

Trump is a constant thought of your obsessed thinking

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Just now, Yagoda said:

How do you prove a pardon was granted then, duh? Cite us some cases.

 

I dont know that Legislative enactments are necessarily the issue as the proof is rather evident, but thats up to the Supreme Court. 

 

But hey, you havent read the report yet LOL

If you take my signature stamp and stamp a promissory note from me to you without me knowing, do I owe you the money?

You clearly don't understand the extreme deference that the Supreme Court shows to the Presidency. The House Committe's  argument is based on the negative proof fallacy which basically says what's needed is proof that the President actually ordered the pardons. Is there even any testimony from a witness that they used the autosign produre to sign a document? Actually, the onus would be on those who claim that he didn't. Since you've claimed that you've read the report, got an witness testimony to claim that he didn't?  Please quote it with a link to the page.

 

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9 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Federal Question Jurisdiction. Want the citation? Want me to write the Question for you? 

Sure. Show me howthe Federal Courts have jurisdiction over an absolute power granted by the Constitution to the President.

10 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

From the minority/DEM response to the Comer report:

 

I. President Joe Biden was at all times fully fit to execute the
duties of the presidency and Republican claims of his “mental decline” have been summarily debunked 

 

The legal issue to void pardons is that regardless of what anyone testified to the committee, Biden couldn't tell you what planet he was on.

Brilliant. Thank god someone here gets it.

 

Shall we go back to Blackstone, Book 4, Chapter 17, Section 3, emphasis added

 

III. FORGERY, or the crimen falfi, is an offence, which was punifhed by the civil law with deportation or banifhment, and fometimes with deathz. It may with us be defined (at common law) to be, “the fraudulent making or alteration of a writing to the prejudice of another man's right:” for which the offender may fuffer fine, imprifonment, and pillory.

 

I bet dollars to donuts that the most suspicious of the pardons are being looked at.  All they need to do is dump one.

2 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

You clearly don't understand the extreme deference that the Supreme Court shows to the Presidency.

So? 

 

2 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

You clearly don't understand the extreme deference that the Supreme Court shows to the Presidency. The House Committe's  argument is based on the negative proof fallacy which basically says what's needed is proof that the President actually ordered the pardons. Is there even any testimony from a witness that they used the autosign produre to sign a document? Actually, the onus would be on those who claim that he didn't. Since you've claimed that you've read the report, got an witness testimony to claim that he didn't?  Please quote it with a link to the page.

 

Getting a bit hysterical? I have no idea what a Grand Jury is doing. 

 

How about the question you are running from like a scared little girl:

 

If you take my signature stamp and stamp a promissory note from me to you without me knowing, do I owe you the money?

 

 

And by the way, for all of you government lovers, if you think pardons havent been bought and sold in the past in the USA, you are living in dreamland. Dont insult normal folks intelligence by claiming that in St. Joes time, all the pardons were on the up and up.

 

By bought and sold I mean cash, favours, politics....the issue here is not why, but by who, because only one person decides.

9 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Sure. Show me howthe Federal Courts have jurisdiction over an absolute power granted by the Constitution to the President.

The issue before this Court is whether the Defendants conspired to utilized an autopen to sign a "Pardon" without direction from the President, violating 18 USC whatever it is.

 

You really dont know anything about US Law, do you?

4 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Trump's downard spiral ( or is it plummet?) is accelerating.

slooooowly, he’s got another 3 years to go.

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25 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

So? 

 

Getting a bit hysterical? I have no idea what a Grand Jury is doing. 

 

 

 

In other words, no one testifying before the committee said that they used the autopen to sign documents without Joe Biden's permission.

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Just now, Explorator en Actione said:

slooooowly, he’s got another 3 years to go.

That's the issue in question.

Just now, Explorator en Actione said:

slooooowly, he’s got another 3 years to go.

And then we get JD/Marco, then Marco/Byron

1 minute ago, Alan Zweibel said:

 

In other words, no one testifying before the committee said that they used the autopen to sign documents without Joe Biden's permission.

Have you read the report yet? Still running away screaming?

 

If you take my signature stamp and stamp a promissory note from me to you without me knowing, do I owe you the money?

 

 

47 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Really? Where in the Constitution is that written? Unlike you, as anyone who knows the history of why the power of the pardon is in the Constititution,  would understand that there is no way a court could overturn a pardon. 

Unless it can be proven the ‘specific approval to use the Auto-Pen can’t be established, they are perusing the log’s which most certainly ave to exist everytime an Executive Order is created, approved and signed, whether it be by hand or that Auto Pen.   and Yes, I am a Constitutional Sh@@house Lawyer.

2 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Translation: I havent read the report and have no idea of the law involved. I prefer to spew ignorant nonsense.

Translation: you are not able to express it clearly with your own words,and you are trying to get others waste their time with the report! :laugh:

It might also be suggested that a Presidential 'hereby' order precludes any other challenge to a pardon until the validity of the 'hereby' order is binding or not.

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