On 12/23/2025 at 10:33 AM, Hardcastle P said:

Driving whilst under the influence of alcohol or drugs should be an immediate 12 month bann plus it's found driving whilst banned 3 months in prison. That is the only way to stop this carnage. 

Pick any bar on soi buahkaow or most anywhere and watch how many farang guys sit there drinking for hours then onto the bike and away they go into the night...night after night after night.

Certainly not condoning D&D, but just curious about the headline.  
Is the 40 deaths claim borne out by actual figures, or is this an estimate from an anti drinking campaign group?

58 minutes ago, Free the 115 said:

Certainly not condoning D&D, but just curious about the headline.  
Is the 40 deaths claim borne out by actual figures, or is this an estimate from an anti drinking campaign group?

I think 2024 was an average of 38 per day.... likely thats were the 40 estimates from.

On 12/24/2025 at 1:45 PM, jwl53 said:

Look the starting point is a driving  test a real comprehensive driving test not a reaction to put your foot on a pedle when the light turns to red, no licence  crush the car, drunk, crush the car, no insurance,crush the car, but it will never happen so why bother talking about it

Why not crush the driver? Problem solved.

I love the comments from posters who are obviously from a country where freedoms of choice have been eroded to the point they normalise the harshest of punishments.

Tax! Jail! Crush! Seems to be the only responses they can come up with.

On 12/24/2025 at 10:10 PM, thailand49 said:

I'm hard headed you must be brain dead or just plain S!

In a society go back and read " to change the system must be taken away from the Thai leaders given to an outsider "  why as you noted they aren't going to change because they don't know of any solution. How do you provide a solution if one has never been talk one which is what I'm trying to get through your cement head!

People are dying Thai are while you worry about losing your freedom there are many times when waiting is over this is when leadership has to get tough and if taking ones freedom away helps Dave a life then it should!

This isn't being hard headed I can debate my views to any Thai leader any time any place on national TV if you want to set it up.

The problem with this conversation you don't get it just like the Thai, times you need to force change in the U.S. MADD, a organization has made a difference in reducing drunk drivers, in California 90's ballots passed to require helmets Hells Angel, motor cycle organizations club lobby against it but it still passed today no one is bitching about freedom because it has reduced deaths and the economic cost billions of those injure for life.

Instead of spending billions on caring for those who didn't die maybe Thai leaders and you should think about the bigger picture.

You got no chance! When it comes to this subject. Now slowly go...🤣

So you support my view that nothing will happen until the Thai people demand change.

MADD and helmet laws in the USA were driven by the USA people, not foreigners.

To suggest that any country should give their decision making to "outsiders" is simply childish, laughable and a recipe for disaster.

Look at the EU for an example.

Do you suggest ASEAN starts making laws for member states? Good luck with that.

 

I don't disagree that changes need to be made to fit in with my western norms and values regarding driving vehicles, but I'm not that naive to think it will happen because I want it to.

On 12/24/2025 at 10:10 PM, thailand49 said:

I'm hard headed you must be brain dead or just plain S!

In a society go back and read " to change the system must be taken away from the Thai leaders given to an outsider "  why as you noted they aren't going to change because they don't know of any solution. How do you provide a solution if one has never been talk one which is what I'm trying to get through your cement head!

People are dying Thai are while you worry about losing your freedom there are many times when waiting is over this is when leadership has to get tough and if taking ones freedom away helps Dave a life then it should!

This isn't being hard headed I can debate my views to any Thai leader any time any place on national TV if you want to set it up.

The problem with this conversation you don't get it just like the Thai, times you need to force change in the U.S. MADD, a organization has made a difference in reducing drunk drivers, in California 90's ballots passed to require helmets Hells Angel, motor cycle organizations club lobby against it but it still passed today no one is bitching about freedom because it has reduced deaths and the economic cost billions of those injure for life.

Instead of spending billions on caring for those who didn't die maybe Thai leaders and you should think about the bigger picture.

You got no chance! When it comes to this subject. Now slowly go...🤣

Set yourself up a YouTube channel. Then you can spread your message. You can also proudly show your face instead of being a keyboard warrior.

You will do that, won't you?

Ha ha ha. Not a chance.

All hat,no cattle sums it up.

On 12/24/2025 at 3:42 PM, MarkT63 said:

Riding behind a traffic cop on his bike on a dual carriage way in Rawai this morning, both of us doing about 60 kmh.

Teenage Thai lad went past us at around 80 kmh at a guess, no helmet - cop didn't flinch

200 meters later Thai guy on a bike wobbling all over the road, no helmet and obviously not in full control, as we go past him he is on his phone texting or something - cop didn't flinch.

A few hundred meters down the road Thai guy on a moped coming the wrong way down the road towards us, no helmet - cop nodded to him as we went past.

 

They can't even get the basics of traffic policing right!! 

 

 

Now if it had been a farang wobbling about, you'd have seen the cop spring into action.

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Why must tourists have motor bikes? Take a room near your favorite watering hole and walk home when you're over the limit. Maybe the Government should ban motor bike rentals to tourists, the results would be very interesting.

Just now, Mason45 said:

Why must tourists have motor bikes? 

Best way to get around.

2 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

Best way to get around.

Get around where?

Not as they go too far from the bars.

19 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

Get around where?

Not as they go too far from the bars.

you thinky everyone in Thailand are bar hoppers ?

9 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

you thinky everyone in Thailand are bar hoppers ?

No, I don't 'thinky' that. The poster I responded to specifically mentioned tourists.

Try and take in the whole conversation, not a single post. If you are capable.

 

On 12/25/2025 at 10:39 PM, Ralf001 said:

I think 2024 was an average of 38 per day.... likely thats were the 40 estimates from.

Thanks for the clarification.