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7 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 

You should change your history sources.

 

How America Won, Then Lost, the Vietnam War

 

https://www.hudson.org/arms-control-nonproliferation/how-america-won-then-lost-vietnam-war-william-luti

 

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Is Viet Nam Communist any longer?

21 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Is Viet Nam Communist any longer?

 

I know your leader doesn't read, but I had hoped at least you would get yourself educated before posting your drivel on an open forum. 🤦‍♂️

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-pacific-16567315

Vietnam, a one-party Communist state, has been one of south-east Asia's fastest-growing economies. It has been a unified country since 1975, when the armed forces of the Communist north seized the south.

This followed three decades of bitter wars, in which the Communists fought first against the colonial power France, then against South Vietnam and its US backers. In its latter stages, the conflict held the attention of the world.

 

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42 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

We didnt flatten them. Besides we won without it as history proves.

Yep, you won by losing. Very astute!:thumbsup:

48 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

I pity you too. If anything, more than him. He doesnt pretend to be someone else.

You pretend to be a yellow snake named after an NKVD director, so maybe you shouldn't be the one to throw the first stone?😄

3 hours ago, CallumWK said:

 

From what I know about Iran, which I admit is not much I have to admit, the Iranian people were much better off during the time of the Shah, or how you explain that many of them "escaped" Iran during that revolution?

 

Lots of folks escaped Germany to South America after '45.

 

The folks who were so much better off before the Soviet liberation of Berlin.

 

 

Various off topic and quarrelsome posts were removed. Please debate the subject politely. Thank you  

5 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

Unprovoked? Seriously?

Why did Australia expel Iran? It wasn't for peaceful activity.

Since 1979, the Iranian regime has targeted. dissidents around the world; It has harassed, kidnapped, threatened and killed them. why do you you excuse and support this?

 

Not defending that Mullah regime here, but as bad as it is they targeted their own people most of the time.

 

5 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

The EU sanctions on Iran are a direct result of Iran's Zindashti Criminal Network connected to the Iranian Ministry of Intelligence and Security that has carried out numerous acts of transnational repression, including assassinations of Iranian dissidents.

 

Iran has refused to allow Lebanon to  live in peace. It has funded the state within a state. Iran has supported the foreign Hezbollah shiite muslim group terrorist state.

iran is directly supporting  militias in iraq. It is Iran which has funded  the Houthis in Yemen and sponsored a deadly civil war.

 

Yes, they try to protect themselves through such actions in the countries around them.

 

The West does that all around the world with hundreds of military bases and by starting horrible wars killing Millions or funding US friendly dictators to take power in their countries again killing thousands.

 

How is that any better?

 

 

5 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

On  January 8, 2020, Iran  targeted and destroyed Ukrainian International Airlines flight PS752 . In so doing it  murdered  57 Canadians citizens and an additional 30 canadian residents., 10 Swedish citizens, 11 Ukrainian citizens and  3 UK citizens. Iran did its utmost to deny and to sabotage the investigation.

 

Not true. The US had just murdered top Revolutionary Guards general Qasem Soleimani in a US drone strike in Baghdad five days earlier.

 

Consequently Iran's air defenses had been on high alert at the time expecting more attacks which lead to the catastrophe as some nervous and unexperienced officer mistakenly pushed the button.

 

The unit's commander was sentenced to 13 years for being an accessory to manslaughter and disobeying orders same as 9 others from his unit went to prison.

 

I doubt if any of those Israeli child murderers ever face anything like that.

 

5 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

How can you deny the Iranian  murders of its own people around the world, and tits spying and torturing of dissidents.

 

That is bad but again it`s their own people.

 

5 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

How can you claim that the response to iran is unprovoked? Are you denying that Iran has not threatened  multiple cabinet ministers/secretaries in multiple foreign governments. For example, Iran attempted to murder the Minister of  Justice in Canada.

 

And Israel murdered (not only threatened to) Iranian generals in Syria and later attacked Iran itself.

 

How come you condemn only one-sidedly?

 

Do you really expect the rest of the world just to bow and say thank you whenever the US or Israel decides to bomb them?

 

Seriously, if bombing and murdering of other ethnicities and religions is somehow ok for you, well that is a part of your personality and the only person who will have to get along with it luckily is you.

 

But please spare us your justifications and moral lessons based on counting every single little wrongdoing sole individuals of the people you think deserve to die might have done while completely ignoring the much worse and more horrible wrongdoings of the same kind your side has committed.

 

Because that is bigotry at it`s worst. 

2 hours ago, CallumWK said:

 

I know your leader doesn't read, but I had hoped at least you would get yourself educated before posting your drivel on an open forum. 🤦‍♂️

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-pacific-16567315

Vietnam, a one-party Communist state, has been one of south-east Asia's fastest-growing economies. It has been a unified country since 1975, when the armed forces of the Communist north seized the south.

This followed three decades of bitter wars, in which the Communists fought first against the colonial power France, then against South Vietnam and its US backers. In its latter stages, the conflict held the attention of the world.

 

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Fake news says @Yagoda

6 hours ago, Will Iam Not said:

What did some of the Ten Commandments allegedly say: Thou shalt not kill, covet, steal. 

What did the others K book say?

 

What else did that book with the 10 commandments say?

 

I give you a hint: It starts with Amalek.

 

And ends with: "Kill them all. Steal everything."

So funny, when some people who claim to know not much, actually are well informed ...

 

5 hours ago, CallumWK said:

 

From what I know about Iran, which I admit is not much I have to admit, the Iranian people were much better off during the time of the Shah, or how you explain that many of them "escaped" Iran during that revolution?

 

You are 100% correct.

 

 

while others who actually think they know much ...

 

2 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

Lots of folks escaped Germany to South America after '45.

 

are you seriously comparing intellectuals and those who opposed Islam to those Nazis who fled to Argentina?

 

2 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

The folks who were so much better off before the Soviet liberation of Berlin.

 

Did you just write "liberation"??

 

Oh dear.

@Somjot, as I mentioned earlier, please limit the number of nested quotes in your post to three or less. I won't remove your above post, because you spent time on it, but we will remove future posts that don't follow this rule. Thank you for your kind cooperation. 

Ok, sorry, my last post was posted simultaneously to yours.

3 minutes ago, Somjot said:

are you seriously comparing intellectuals and those who opposed Islam to those Nazis who fled to Argentina?

 

Many of the shah's savak butchers and enforcers escaped justice, mob or otherwise, during the chaos of the revolution.

4 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Is Viet Nam Communist any longer?

Even if Vietnam isn't communist, how is that an American victory? What did America's defeat in Vietnam have to do with Vietnam's economic success?

7 hours ago, stevenl said:

Fuel is too simple, it's about raw materials. Hence Canada and Greenland.

And Power Projection into the Arctic. 

11 hours ago, Somjot said:

 

What else did that book with the 10 commandments say?

 

I give you a hint: It starts with Amalek.

 

And ends with: "Kill them all. Steal everything."

You must be referring to a different book which I was told was called The Bible, which started with Genesis and ends with Revelation.

 

16 hours ago, Will Iam Not said:

You must be referring to a different book which I was told was called The Bible, which started with Genesis and ends with Revelation.

 

Sure, and somewhere in between is 1 Samuel; I think that was # 9 and it says:

 

1 Samuel 15:3: “Now go and attack the Amalekites and completely destroy everything they have. Do not spare them. Kill men and women, infants and nursing babies, oxen and sheep, camels and donkeys.”

 

Was that what you meant by the others K book?

 

On 12/28/2025 at 3:50 PM, Will Iam Not said:

What did some of the Ten Commandments allegedly say: Thou shalt not kill, covet, steal. 

What did the others K book say?

 

And by they way, as we now, those 10 Commandments are one of the most important parts of the Christian and the Jewish religion.

 

How come they are both not really good at acting on them?

On 12/28/2025 at 10:15 PM, NoDisplayName said:

 

Many of the shah's savak butchers and enforcers escaped justice, mob or otherwise, during the chaos of the revolution.

 

Well, that`s true and I guess they escaped quite successfully as they were trained by the CIA and probably had some friends there.

6 hours ago, Somjot said:

Was that what you meant by the others K book?

No, that book who's name begins with K

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On 12/29/2025 at 11:02 PM, Somjot said:

How come they are both not really good at acting on them?

Well we know that some folks are great at jihad murders as called for in their book.

On 12/30/2025 at 8:28 AM, Will Iam Not said:

No, that book who's name begins with K

On 12/31/2025 at 2:51 AM, Yagoda said:

Well we know that some folks are great at jihad murders as called for in their book.

And I have doubts that you guys studied that K-book diligently and are not just parroting some Anti "M" propaganda.

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2 hours ago, Somjot said:

And I have doubts that you guys studied that K-book diligently and are not just parroting some Anti "M" propaganda.

🤣

So you are contending the Koran does not require violence against Jews and infidels as well as Jihad?

How about against blasphemers?

3 hours ago, Yagoda said:

So you are contending the Koran does not require violence against Jews and infidels as well as Jihad?

How about against blasphemers?

If that were the case, why is it that large Christian and Jewish communities prospered in much of the mideast until well into the 20th century? Why weren't they exterminated Under Turkish rule? Eastern Europe remained largely Christian. Christians and Jews mostly fared well in Muslin Spain until the Catholic kings reconquered it. It's estimated that about 300,000 Jews were murdered. You know who took the most of rest of the Jews in? Turkey. Others fled to Muslim Morocco.

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5 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

If that were the case, why is it that large Christian and Jewish communities prospered in much of the mideast until well into the 20th century? Why weren't they exterminated Under Turkish rule? Eastern Europe remained largely Christian. Christians and Jews mostly fared well in Muslin Spain until the Catholic kings reconquered it. It's estimated that about 300,000 Jews were murdered. You know who took the most of rest of the Jews in? Turkey. Others fled to Muslim Morocco.

Guess they werent observant Muslims. Ask the Armenians.

7 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Guess they werent observant Muslims. Ask the Armenians.

Man, when you've got nothing you certainly aren't afraid to show it, I'll give you that! thumbsup

10 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Guess they werent observant Muslims. Ask the Armenians.

Or maybe you haven't a clue about how the actual history of Islam. Pretty much throughout the Islamic world Jews and Christians were allowed to live and work. Some areas like Persia, Arabia and parts of North Africa were quite intolerant. Others, like Morocco, Spain, Egypt, what is now Syria, Israel, Iraq were quite tolerant for most of their history, And the Moghuls on the Indian subcontinent were quite tolerant of Hindus who were idol worshippers. Muslim-ruled countries were certainly far more tolerant than those for who subscribed to the New Testament. Do you think Jews fled to Palestine because the Muslims were persecuting them? A thinking person might contemplate looking elsewhere than sacred text to understand these discrepancies.

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5 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Pretty much throughout the Islamic world Jews and Christians were allowed to live and work.

Paying taxes as second class citizens to the conquering occupiers.

6 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Muslim-ruled countries were certainly far more tolerant than those for who subscribed to the New Testament

Were.

Good to see you revealing what side you are on in the existential war.

Just now, Yagoda said:

Paying taxes as second class citizens to the conquering occupiers.

Were.

Taxes were imposed on non Muslims? Too awful to contemplate...at least for right wingers for whom

taxes are the ultimate horror. Why didn't somebody call on the ACLU to fight this vile practice?

Other folk might consider repeated expulsion of Jews from Christian countries somewhat worse. And then there were pogroms and mass slaughters of Jews which were a consistent feature of Christian nations.

But it's a good thing that Christian nations didn't imposes taxes on Jews..oh wait a minute...

From gemini.ai

  • Servitium (or Judengeld): Payments made by Jews for the "protection" of rulers, often replacing feudal labor obligations, common in Spain, France, and Germany.

  • Leibzoll (or Judengeleit): A toll Jews had to pay to travel or even live in certain areas, essentially a fee for personal passage and safety.

  • Tincta Judeorum: A special tax on dye, paid only by Jewish merchants.

  • Royal/Papal Fees: Popes and kings charged Jews large sums for charters granting privileges or renewals of rights. 

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