Raphael Lemkin was a Jewish lawyer who coined the term ‘genocide’ for the United Nations. Jan Karski was a Catholic member of the Polish resistance. Both met with Winston Churchill and Franklin D. Roosevelt.

These world leaders refused to believe that the Nazis were killing Jews wholesale. They did not act to save the Jews, Jehovah's Witnesses, Romani, Catholics, homosexuals and others. In fact, the United States and Canada turned back ships of Jews fleeing Hitler.

However, the Holocaust is hardly the only genocide in history. Lest we forget.

Armenians (twice), Rohingya, Yazidis, Darfuris, Rwandans, Bosnians, Cambodians, East Timorians, Bangladeshis, Biafrans, Mayans, Tamils, Serbs, Bosniaks, Croats. There are far more just in the 20th century.

Genocide has existed in every age and targets every ethnic group. Ethnic cleansing is seen by leaders as a unifying factor to consolidate power. It's about politics and money. Hate is only an afterthought.

Hitler hardly has a trademark on genocide. Consider the Christian Crusades. Jews simply do not deserve a monopoly on our sympathy. We hurt with Jews when they are wronged but cannot support Israel when it is wrong.

Yes, genocide is being committed on Palestinians.

Genocide denial is not a difference of opinion, it is moral rot. It always happens in real time, it always hides behind excuses, and it is always defended by people who think history will somehow excuse them. Those denying the genocide of Palestinians today are behaving no differently from those who dismissed Karski, ignored Lemkin, and waved away the Holocaust as “unproven” or “exaggerated.” “Never again” was not a slogan for selective empathy or political convenience. If you can recognise genocide everywhere except where your allies are committing it, you haven’t learned from history, you’re repeating it.

I don`t know, how well known the Milgram experiment is to BMs here.

In the early 1960s, a series of social psychology experiments were conducted by Yale University psychologist Stanley Milgram, who intended to measure the willingness of study participants to obey an authority figure.

Three individuals took part in each session of the experiment:

1. the "experimenter", who was in charge of the session. 2. the "learner", an actor and colleague of the experimenter, who pretended to be a volunteer and 3. the "teacher", who was a volunteer for a single session and led to believe that they were merely assisting, whereas they were actually the test - subjects.

Teacher and learner were in separate rooms, could communicate, but not see each other.

The teacher first read a list of word pairs to the learner and after that he would read only the first word of each pair and the learner had to tell the second word. If the answer was incorrect, the teacher would administer a shock to the learner, with the voltage increasing in 15-volt increments for each wrong answer up to a possibly lethal 450 Volt.

In reality, there were no shocks. The learner was an actor and with increasing "Volt levels" he began moaning, later screaming, even begging to stop. When the highest voltages were reached, the learner fell silent.

When the "teachers" began showing concern, the "experimenter" wearing a white lab coat in order to appear to have more authority told them to go on and not to worry as even if the "learner" would die, the "teacher" would not be held responsible,

Before conducting the experiment, Milgram polled fourteen Yale University psychology majors and to Harvard University graduates to predict the behavior of 100 hypothetical teachers. All of the poll respondents believed that only a very small fraction of teachers, around 1 to 3 % would be prepared to inflict the maximum voltage.

Milgram suspected before the experiment that the obedience exhibited by Nazis reflected of a distinct German character, and planned to use the American participants as a control group before using German participants, expected to behave closer to the Nazis.

The results were alarming: About 90% would go on no matter if the "learner" was begging to stop; 65% even inflicted the "lethal" Voltage of 450 Volt.

The unexpected results stopped him from conducting the same experiment on German participants.

And this is exactly why the Holocaust could take place.

The shop owner who told the police about the whereabouts of Jews later said "I did not harm anyone. I just did what policemen had told me".

The police officer later said "I did nothing wrong, I just followed orders, arrested Jews and brought them to the rail station."

The train driver later stated "I am not to blame, I just drove that train full of prisoners to a concentration camp. I never treated anyone badly."

The truly evil hardliners were waiting at the end of that chain and happily pushed Jewish men, women and children into the gas chambers, but without their helpers, they could never do it.

Those helpers actually did not know, what really was happening in the camps and they were given extra rations of food to keep their mouths shut, but there was not much space for doubts as none of those they betrayed, brought to the train station or drove to the camps ever came back.

What ALL genocides, no matter if we have read about them in history books or if we saw them on TV or read about them in the newspapers have in common is the global outrage and opposition they caused and the worldwide common understanding that they are evil atrocities displaying the lowest and most disgusting moral bankruptcy a human being or a societies can rot into.

ALL except ONE.

The GAZA GENOCIDE.

Israel has not only established world records in:

intentional infanticide

the number of journalists murdered

the number of health workers slaughtered

the number of medics butchered

cease fire breaking

number of UN resolutions against Israel

(173 resolutions against Israel (2015-2024) vs. 80 for the rest of the world)

number of US vetoes protecting Israels illegal activities

(feel free to add)

Israel has also committed horrible atrocities (and has always lied about them until the evidence was absolutely water proof)

Murder of Hind Rajab

IDF snipers performing target practice on children (most disgusting thing I ever heard of committed by a apartheid regime disguised as a democracy)

World`s kitchen

The 15 aid workers executed and buried

shooting starving people waiting for food

raping prisoners

and and and

And still western leader support that, western media report in their favor and not only a few people in mostly western countries are siding with that.

Why??

Flame post removed, discuss the topic not other posters @JimCM

10 hours ago, Somjot said:

The unexpected results stopped him from conducting the same experiment on German participants.

And this is exactly why the Holocaust could take place.

The shop owner who told the police about the whereabouts of Jews later said "I did not harm anyone. I just did what policemen had told me".

The police officer later said "I did nothing wrong, I just followed orders, arrested Jews and brought them to the rail station."

The train driver later stated "I am not to blame, I just drove that train full of prisoners to a concentration camp. I never treated anyone badly."

The truly evil hardliners were waiting at the end of that chain and happily pushed Jewish men, women and children into the gas chambers, but without their helpers, they could never do it.

Those helpers actually did not know, what really was happening in the camps and they were given extra rations of food to keep their mouths shut, but there was not much space for doubts as none of those they betrayed, brought to the train station or drove to the camps ever came back.

What ALL genocides, no matter if we have read about them in history books or if we saw them on TV or read about them in the newspapers have in common is the global outrage and opposition they caused and the worldwide common understanding that they are evil atrocities displaying the lowest and most disgusting moral bankruptcy a human being or a societies can rot into.

ALL except ONE.

The GAZA GENOCIDE.

Israel has not only established world records in:

intentional infanticide

the number of journalists murdered

the number of health workers slaughtered

the number of medics butchered

cease fire breaking

number of UN resolutions against Israel

(173 resolutions against Israel (2015-2024) vs. 80 for the rest of the world)

number of US vetoes protecting Israels illegal activities

(feel free to add)

Israel has also committed horrible atrocities (and has always lied about them until the evidence was absolutely water proof)

Murder of Hind Rajab

IDF snipers performing target practice on children (most disgusting thing I ever heard of committed by a apartheid regime disguised as a democracy)

World`s kitchen

The 15 aid workers executed and buried

shooting starving people waiting for food

raping prisoners

and and and

And still western leader support that, western media report in their favor and not only a few people in mostly western countries are siding with that.

Why??

What a very thoughtful post, and not only because I agree with you. Psychologist Stanley Milgram only conducted this experiment on Americans, concurrent with the Eichmann trial. Eichmann claimed he was only following orders, too.

I wish he had expanded it to other countries so that Americans won't think they are the only monsters in the world. Your well-cited example of the Reich, of course, proves the fallacy of 'it can't happen here'. Milgram's was called an obedience experiment--I was only following orders. But what happens when the aggressors are allowed their own initiative? Answer: It's worse.

Watching the recent documentary, Breaking Ranks, former IDF soldiers speak out about the free-for-all killing in Gaza. If not actually given direct orders to do so, soldiers took the initiative and revelled in killing those they did not regard as human beings. Just like Nazis.

When we call the ethnic cleansing of Gaza a genocide, people immediately say the Holocaust is not comparable to the war on Gaza. The difference is only in numbers, the intent is entirely the same. Deny that in any slippery way you want.

This is perhaps the first war waged entirely by the videogame generation. Maybe if they kill enough 'enemies', the enemies just stand back up and the player goes on to the next level.

I deeply wonder about the future of Israel when an entire generation returns home from war. Can we really expect them to really be normal? How many psychologists are there in the world?

You did forget to add that Gaza has the world's highest numbers of child amputees.

The new film, The Voice of Hind Rajab, says it all.

As Israel's war on Gaza was unquestionably a war on people, I'm surprised they didn't like the smell of napalm--and barbecue--in the morning.

I'm starting to think we all deserve the final solution, the ultimate genocide: human extinction.

Obedience to Authority is Milgram's own book. Milgram experiment: Would you press the button? Incidentally, 450 volts. The film Le Jeu de la Mort (English subs) takes this to quite a different level.

If at any time the teacher indicated a desire to halt the experiment, the experimenter was instructed to give specific verbal prods. The prods were, in this order. If one prod failed, moved on to the next:

1. Please continue or Please go on.

2. The experiment requires that you continue.

3. It is absolutely essential that you continue.

4. You have no other choice; you must go on.

6 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

I deeply wonder about the future of Israel when an entire generation returns home from war. Can we really expect them to really be normal? How many psychologists are there in the world?

True, but have you ever thought about the Gazans, who maybe will survive the mass murder of their people and families.

Right now there is not a single Gazan, that has not lost at least one close family member.

What would you do, if a foreign army would burn half of your family with phosphorus bombs and while you are desperately carrying your crying daughter in your arms, running to the next hospital, hoping they could help her, you unexpectedly feel a jolt and next thing you realize, is that she has become quiet and suddenly has a hole in the back of her head and half of her face is missing?

I despise any kind of violence as I see it as a sign of personal failure to solve a problem in a civilized way but, I am telling you, if something like that would ever happen to me, man, I would be coming for them for the rest of my life, whatever it takes.

And I doubt that any other BM here would act differently.

6 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Obedience to Authority is Milgram's own book. Milgram experiment: Would you press the button? Incidentally, 450 volts.

And THAT is exactly what torments me and drives me into despair and anger.

THERE IS NO AUTHORITY forcing us to support all the atrocities committed by the IDF and call it self-defense!

We all grew up with a western moral compass and should be able to agree on the difference of good and bad.

We all witnessed the genocides in Cambodia (1975–1979), when the Khmer Rouge under Pol Pot killed an estimated 1.5–2 million people or in Rwanda (1994) when Hutus killed about 800,000 Tutsis or when Saddam Hussein, at that time (1986 to 89) was still our friend murdered up to 180,000 Kurds using chemical weapons.

If any of us would have stated something like "Well, the Hutus were only defending themselves" or "the Kurds were only using their own people as human shields" we would have been declared insane.

Imagine the Khmer Rouge would control western politicians with some lobby organization called "Pol Pot`s Pals".

Unthinkable.

But look at us now. Not only do some people defend genocide as self-defense. If you oppose them or dare to criticize the intentional murder of children, YOU are suddenly the bad guy, the traitor, the ... I almost do not dare to utter the words ... the anti-semite, which is even worse than anti - Christ.

No doubt we have been brain washed to a certain extend. Think about all the bad guys in movies, many of them looking like Middle Easterners wearing the Keffiyeh.

Back to the future

True lies

Iron Man

But even brain wash has it`s limits and cannot make us forget the difference between good and bad.

6 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

I'm starting to think we all deserve the final solution, the ultimate genocide: human extinction.

Maybe you are right.

Being a German, I actually did confront my grand parent`s generation with the question "How could you allow that?"

But at least they had some kind of excuse: as a result of WW1 and the Versailles treaty Germany was at it`s feet: no money, no food , no jobs and crime everywhere.

Then came Adolf, promised to lead them out of hell, so he was called the "leader" in German (Führer) and after people elected him democratically, he ended democracy and brutalized any opposition.

What will I tell my grandchildren?

I have no idea.

And now it happened to us.

When we deliberately allow and even partake in the breakdown of values, the erosion of law and apply double standard while words lose their meaning or suddenly mean the opposite of what they once meant and all that to protect our narrative going so far to deny anything, even if it is in plain sight, that might prove it wrong, then we should not be surprised, if one day the monster we created turns on us.

"The official White House narrative of how a U.S. Customs and Immigration Enforcement (ICE) officer shot and killed a U.S. citizen in her vehicle in Minneapolis is bumping hard up against what can be seen in videos of the incident.

U.S. President Donald Trump, Vice-President JD Vance and Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem are all insisting that the victim, Renee Nicole Good, deliberately rammed her vehicle into an ICE officer who then fired shots in self-defence because he feared for his life.

Yet three videos from the scene — each verified by CBC News as authentic — contradict these claims and raise serious questions about why the White House is defending the fatal shooting as justified."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/minneapolis-ice-shooting-video-trump-vance-9.7038446

The agents use of lethal force was definitely unneeded, she was a housewife and from his body camera, he clearly saw her turn her wheels away from him.

Unlawful killing with mitigating circumstances.

On 1/9/2026 at 7:55 PM, Somjot said:

What will I tell my grandchildren?

You have nothing to be ashamed of, unlike those saying nothing, or worse - supporting Israel.

We are not even allowed to confront those monsters on many platforms and even governments are banning criticism of Israel. Meanwhile, people, are allowed to show full support, even waving Star of David flags, it's very sad.

On 1/10/2026 at 7:31 AM, JBChiangRai said:

The agents use of lethal force was definitely unneeded, she was a housewife and from his body camera, he clearly saw her turn her wheels away from him.

Unlawful killing with mitigating circumstances.

This kind of thing happens almost daily in the occupied territories of Israel.

On 1/5/2026 at 9:45 AM, unblocktheplanet said:

Yes, genocide is being committed on Palestinians.

An anti semitic lie.

8 hours ago, Yagoda said:

An anti semitic lie.

Yagoda, during America's war on Vietnam, the local chapter of Veterans of Foreign Wars offered me a free one-way ticket and I immediately accepted. They lied, of course.

I pasted a photo of a flattened destroyed Gaza. I invite you to go and see for yourself. That's the only accurate way to determine the truth for yourself.

The record is stuck, my friend.

52 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Yagoda, during America's war on Vietnam, the local chapter of Veterans of Foreign Wars offered me a free one-way ticket and I immediately accepted. They lied, of course.

I pasted a photo of a flattened destroyed Gaza. I invite you to go and see for yourself. That's the only accurate way to determine the truth for yourself.

The record is stuck, my friend.

Dont start wars and hide among the civilian population and Gaza wont look like Tokyo in 1945. FAFO

5 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Dont start wars and hide among the civilian population and Gaza wont look like Tokyo in 1945. FAFO

You should go. It would be educational and encourage dialogue. The building were all brick and cement but I do get your point about Tokyo...and Dresden. Both needless civilian deaths and horrible injuries.

Hm, is 'terrorism', as in Oct 7, 'war'. I'll have to think on that. Was 9-11... Seems it resulted in the twin follies of Iraq and Afghanistan for spurious reasons. No doubt Iraq is still rewarding the US with oil.

1 minute ago, unblocktheplanet said:

No doubt Iraq is still rewarding the US with oil.

No doubt. Keeps our gas prices down.

2 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Both needless civilian deaths and horrible injuries.

Nothing is needless when you are facing an existential, evil threat. Germany and Japan are "good" countries now. Looks like the Arab world is slowly learning the only lesson necessary...FAFO.

I know its tough when your side loses, but suck it up and try to be better.

23 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

No doubt. Keeps our gas prices down.

Nothing is needless when you are facing an existential, evil threat. Germany and Japan are "good" countries now. Looks like the Arab world is slowly learning the only lesson necessary...FAFO.

I know its tough when your side loses, but suck it up and try to be better.

My only 'side' is humanity & nonviolence--the only long-lasting way to 'win' any conflict.

14 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

My only 'side' is humanity & nonviolence--the only long-lasting way to 'win' any conflict.

Got it. So you beleive Hamas and Hezbollah should disarm then, right?

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

Hamas and Hezbollah should disarm

At the exact same time the IDF disarm.

19 minutes ago, johng said:

At the exact same time the IDF disarm.

IDF won the war .

The losers disarm NOT the winners

On 1/11/2026 at 10:42 AM, JimCM said:

You have nothing to be ashamed of, unlike those saying nothing, or worse - supporting Israel.

We are not even allowed to confront those monsters on many platforms and even governments are banning criticism of Israel. Meanwhile, people, are allowed to show full support, even waving Star of David flags, it's very sad.

He can tell his Grandchildren" My own Grandfather tried to eliminate Jews , I supported those who wanted to eliminate Jews , you make the family proud and continue the long tradition of attacking Jews"

31 minutes ago, johng said:

At the exact same time the IDF disarm.

Why should the IDF disarm? They are an army of a sovereign state.

51 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

IDF won the war .

The losers disarm NOT the winners

On 1/10/2026 at 10:42 PM, JimCM said:

You have nothing to be ashamed of, unlike those saying nothing, or worse - supporting Israel.

We are not even allowed to confront those monsters on many platforms and even governments are banning criticism of Israel. Meanwhile, people, are allowed to show full support, even waving Star of David flags, it's very sad.

i don't think it is sad. I take great pride in displaying and waving the flag of Israel. That's a joyous occasion for me.

To truly know what's happening in Gaza and why, you need to understand the second verse of the national anthem of Israel:

"Our hope is not yet lost,

The hope that is two-thousand years old,

To be a free nation in our land,

The Land of Zion, Jerusalem.''

10 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Dont start wars and hide among the civilian population and Gaza wont look like Tokyo in 1945. FAFO

EXACTLY!

Because when 6000 terrorists attack a country killing less than 1200, abducting around 250 and then hide among a 2,2 Million civilian population the only just and human reaction is to bomb the hell out of that entire population, killing 100.000.

That is how righteous people act. That is how they secure the safety of the hostages. As long as we are all in agreement that we are the goodies and they are the baddies.

3 minutes ago, Somjot said:

EXACTLY!

Because when 6000 terrorists attack a country killing less than 1200, abducting around 250 and then hide among a 2,2 Million civilian population the only just and human reaction is to bomb the hell out of that entire population, killing 100.000.

That is how righteous people act. That is how they secure the safety of the hostages. As long as we are all in agreement that we are the goodies and they are the baddies.

Finally you are making sense. Fabulous.

2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

He can tell his Grandchildren" My own Grandfather tried to eliminate Jews , I supported those who wanted to eliminate Jews , you make the family proud and continue the long tradition of attacking Jews"

You said, you won`t comment on my posts any more as you feel offended because a few months ago, I wrote you were mental.

As a matter of fact, I never wrote that, or at least the only thing I recall is me suggesting you better get professional help as after I had posted countless pics from starving kids in Gaza you claimed that one of those pics was from a Yemeni girl and therefore all the other pics are not valid and there are no starving kids in Gaza.

I just find it hilarious that you are so thin-skinned to feel insulted by a single comment questioning your mental health but seem to have to problem to repeatedly insult my family.

You know nothing about my grandparents.

I never supported anyone who wanted to eliminate Jews. Nor now neither in the past.

At least have the decency to keep family out of your unfounded accusations.

Maybe you should ask yourself how proud your ancestors would be if they knew that after Millenia of being hunted and murdered and after the horrible fates they had to face in the 3rd Reich, you are now supporting those of their descendants who have turned into the same abominations which once slaughtered them.

Amon Goeth was hanged for murdering Jews, one of them the young boy in this clip of Schindler`s list.

I doubt those IDF snipers using Gazan kids for target practice will ever have to answer for their crimes.

I am siding with those who have been slaughtered no matter on which side by opposing those who slaughter no matter in which side.

You are siding with the slaughterers. With the child slayers. The journalist killers. The medic murderers. The prisoner rapists.

Desperately trying to make everyone believe mass murder of innocent women and children, raping prisoners and stealing land is somehow self-defense.

12 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Why should the IDF disarm? They are an army of a sovereign state.

And Palestine is not?!? Palestinians have lived there for 4,000 years, long before Islam existed! Just like First Nations in Canada, that's enough 'sovereignty' for me!

Before Christianity, Palestinians were polytheistic, as the Canaanites, along with ancestor and nature worship. Sounds great, right?

And then along came Judaism. Early Israelites remained polytheistic but now included Yahweh. The majority became Christians before Islam, Palestinians were Christians but adopted Islam, it seems mostly for socioeconomic improvements.

Everybody's got a history.

10 hours ago, Somjot said:

...the only just and human reaction is to bomb the hell out of that entire population, killing 100.000.

That is how righteous people act.

If that's the case, I hope I never meet any! What an awful way to look at our beautiful world. Extinction is too good for us...

I'm glad I get all my professional help on AN. It's a self-help group, Thai Expats Anonymous. And it's free.

3 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Palestinians have lived there for 4,000 years, long before Islam existed! Just like First Nations in Canada, that's enough 'sovereignty' for me!

Give Canada back to the First Nations then.

My DNA test shows a hint of Native American, I want a casino! Wait, never mind, I deserve Alberta!