4 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

You do not speak up when there is injustice. If you did, Sudan would be a significant focus for you. The reality is that you have an obsession with Israel. You would have more credibility if you were not always complaining about Israel. You come up with feeble excuses to justify your obsession with Israel, but the very obvious reality is that it is the only focus for you. The impression that you leave is that you really do not care about the plight of the Africans being raped, mutilated and enslaved by Islamic jihadis.

El Salvador is an ally too, but no concern for you on their rent a prisons. So too are several South American countries with horrific human rights abuse records. And yet you don't say anything on that. There is lots to criticize about Israel, just as there is to criticize about other democracies. However, you bombard with Israel this, Israel that, and claim to be sincere and honest in your beliefs. The record of statements shows the opposite. You can delude yourself with how you are a noble political warrior of the 1960's, but the legacy you have left is one of destruction. Time has passed you by. What have you actually built that will last over the years? Some people have planted trees. Others have crafted works of art, in paintings or woodwork, or masonry, or in the spoken word. Others have left knowledge in the sciences. Based upon your ongoing polemics, yours will be one of easily forgotten vitriol and animosity.

Quite true that I will not be remembered by history, as are Roman and Greek authors. Quite alright. I have 27 books to my credit, 19 of which are still in print. All of them, of course, may be quite irrelevant to modern discourse.

Fact is, Patong, I, like you, have limited time and energy. I encourage you to write about Sudan, of which I know nothing of its history or politics, if it tweaks your conscience. I have, in fact, written about the monstrous injustice of CECOT.

19 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

I am indeed a white person of European heritage. I won't claim immunity for my American-born parents but I can for myself. My land in Canada was purchased from Chief Wickaninnish of the Tla-o-qui-ahts in 1888 for two kegs of nails and a barrel of molasses. I have always supported First Nations in Clayoquot Sound and even gone to prison as that privilege.

Israelis /Jews also legally bought some of the land in Gaza and the West bank , just like your forefathers did (In Canada)

12 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Israelis /Jews also legally bought some of the land in Gaza and the West bank , just like your forefathers did (In Canada)

Expand on that please

23 hours ago, JimCM said:

He has never even once said he is Jewish.

He is permanently here defending the terrorist Israeli state but somehow thinks it's antisemitic asking him if he's Jewish or Israeli.

Why does it matter? What's next, demanding he wear an insignia?

There are many people who recognize the vitriole and hate that is produced 24/7 by the detractors of Israel.

Anyone who refuses to go along with the campaign of lies, smears and defamation is accused of being a jew or an Israeli . Some of the strongest supporters of Israel right now are part of the Iranian diaspora who understand what it is to go up against Islamic fuelled extremists.

I am a fan, and perhaps in some respects, a follower of Jacob Smith. He is a recent graduate of the University of South Carolina law school. A moderate Christian who's views are shaped in part by his personal Christianity, h looks at both sides of an argument. I respect the man immensely. He is kinder, gentler, less politicized and better spoken than the hate purveyors. He is found on social media, but where he shines is in his writing. He dismantles and exposes the hypocrisy of the anti Israel mob.

https://themoderatecase.substack.com/

52 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

Why does it matter? What's next, demanding he wear an insignia?

There are many people who recognize the vitriole and hate that is produced 24/7 by the detractors of Israel.

Anyone who refuses to go along with the campaign of lies, smears and defamation is accused of being a jew or an Israeli . Some of the strongest supporters of Israel right now are part of the Iranian diaspora who understand what it is to go up against Islamic fuelled extremists.

I am a fan, and perhaps in some respects, a follower of Jacob Smith. He is a recent graduate of the University of South Carolina law school. A moderate Christian who's views are shaped in part by his personal Christianity, h looks at both sides of an argument. I respect the man immensely. He is kinder, gentler, less politicized and better spoken than the hate purveyors. He is found on social media, but where he shines is in his writing. He dismantles and exposes the hypocrisy of the anti Israel mob.

https://themoderatecase.substack.com/

There is no need to state who you are, your background or ethnicity, but it does help others to understand any bias you may have. I'm less likely to believe a Muslim on an anti-Israel rant than I am a Jew and vice versa.

You mentioned substack, I'm a follower of James Dorsey, who is also a friend. James is also Jewish, in a conversation with him he said Israel does not meet the test for Genocide but undoubtedly is committing war crimes.

1 hour ago, Patong2021 said:

I am a fan, and perhaps in some respects, a follower of Jacob Smith. He is a recent graduate of the University of South Carolina law school. A moderate Christian who's views are shaped in part by his personal Christianity, h looks at both sides of an argument

He lost me when he posted an article “Why I support Israel and you should too”.

He’s anything but moderate.

5 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Israelis /Jews also legally bought some of the land in Gaza and the West bank , just like your forefathers did (In Canada)

Unfortunately, most of the forefathers stole the land from First Nations and herded them into reservations, burn their religious and cultural artifacts, forbid the speaking of their own languages and stole their children into Chistrian residential schools.

Of course, some of that land was purchased in good faith. I hope those people who did the right thing are still good neighbours.

Overwhelmingly, however, Israel simply declared this was state land and protected its settlers with soldiers & checkpoints.

If the individual parcels belonged to somebody else, even by hereditary rights, taking it is theft.

2 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Unfortunately, most of the forefathers stole the land from First Nations and herded them into reservations, burn their religious and cultural artifacts, forbid the speaking of their own languages and stole their children into Chistrian residential schools.

Of course, some of that land was purchased in good faith. I hope those people who did the right thing are still good neighbours.

Overwhelmingly, however, Israel simply declared this was state land and protected its settlers with soldiers & checkpoints.

If the individual parcels belonged to somebody else, even by hereditary rights, taking it is theft.

Jews had legally been buying the land since the 1850's , they legally bought about 1000 square kilometers of land by the 1940's , just like your Canadian forefathers did in Canada

In the 1930’s, the British seized some Palestinian’s land to give to Jewish settlers.

Palestine 36 a new movie starring Jeremy Irons is a moving account of 1936 in Palestine.

5 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

In the 1930’s, the British seized some Palestinian’s land to give to Jewish settlers.

Palestine 36 a new movie starring Jeremy Irons is a moving account of 1936 in Palestine.

Film Produced by Palestine, Qatar , Saudi Arabia and Jordan .

30 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Film Produced by Palestine, Qatar , Saudi Arabia and Jordan .

It’s not anti-Jewish, it’s more anti-British.

The British screwed up big time.

26 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

It’s not anti-Jewish, it’s more anti-British.

The British screwed up big time.

The British didn't even want to be there .

They got stuck with it after the fall of the Ottoman Empire .

Anyway in what way did the UK screw up ?

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

The British didn't even want to be there .

They got stuck with it after the fall of the Ottoman Empire .

Anyway in what way did the UK screw up ?

We took land that already had an owner, whose father before him owned it, his grandfather owned it, his great grandfather owned it, and we gave it away to refugees arriving from other countries.

5 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

We took land that already had an owner, whose father before him owned it, his grandfather owned it, his great grandfather owned it, and we gave it away to refugees arriving from other countries.

Who owned the land ?

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Who owned the land ?

Palestinians owned the land. The British stole it and gave it away to refugees.

They had been farming it for generations.

3 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

Palestinians owned the land. The British stole it and gave it away to refugees.

They had been farming it for generations.

Jews also owned some of the land , in the region of about 10 % of the land

7 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

Why does it matter? What's next, demanding he wear an insignia?

There are many people who recognize the vitriole and hate that is produced 24/7 by the detractors of Israel.

Anyone who refuses to go along with the campaign of lies, smears and defamation is accused of being a jew or an Israeli . Some of the strongest supporters of Israel right now are part of the Iranian diaspora who understand what it is to go up against Islamic fuelled extremists.

I am a fan, and perhaps in some respects, a follower of Jacob Smith. He is a recent graduate of the University of South Carolina law school. A moderate Christian who's views are shaped in part by his personal Christianity, h looks at both sides of an argument. I respect the man immensely. He is kinder, gentler, less politicized and better spoken than the hate purveyors. He is found on social media, but where he shines is in his writing. He dismantles and exposes the hypocrisy of the anti Israel mob.

https://themoderatecase.substack.com/

Because he said it's not antisemitism to ask if someone is Jewish, but never answers.

So you think being Jewish has no influence on your support of Israel?

I don't know why you are not proud of your ethnicity and mention it in your irrational support of a pariah terrorist state.

"Jews had legally been buying the land since the 1850's , they legally bought about 1000 square kilometers of land by the 1940's , just like your Canadian forefathers did in Canada"

11 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

Expand on that please

OK

Jews had legally been buying much the land since the 1850's , they legally bought about 2000 square kilometers of land by the 1940's , just like your Canadian forefathers did in Canada

5 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

Palestine 36 a new movie starring Jeremy Irons is a moving account of 1936 in Palestine.

The film is a work of fiction inspired by real events, specifically the 1936–1939 Arab revolt against British colonial rule. Critics argue the film presents a one-sided, inaccurate narrative of the 1936 revolt. It is accused of erasing the Jewish narrative, omitting Arab violence against Jews, and, in some scenes, misrepresenting historical facts, such as the timing of the Edward VIII scandal.

1 hour ago, JimCM said:

Because he said it's not antisemitism to ask if someone is Jewish, but never answers.

So you think being Jewish has no influence on your support of Israel?

I don't know why you are not proud of your ethnicity and mention it in your irrational support of a pariah terrorist state.

It is rude, crude, ignorant and typically indicates an inherent prejudice. People do not go around demanding to know if someone is jewish unless there is an ulterior motive. This is not 1940 occupied Europe. The people who do this do not typically demand to know if Irish people are Catholic or Protestant, particularly in Belfast, unless one is looking for trouble. Do you demand to know if Indians, are Jain, Muslim, Hindu etc?

Pride in ethnicity? That comment is lifted right out of the extremist literature. If it was being made by a supporter of Aryan Nations, some people would be aghast. The Pakistani terrorists who attacked Pahalgam last year demanded of each of the captured Indians who was not a muslim. Those who did not say they were and could prove it, were shot dead. 24 Hindus and 1 Christian were savagely killed. This included children. That's what your pride in ethnicity delivers. It is a primitive, tribal position and is not shared by educated people.

You describe Israel as a pariah terrorist state. OK. The evidence does not support the claim and no matter what one says, you will continue to push your hatred of Israel and suspicion of Jews. The hypocrisy and directed hate for Israel and Jews is obvious when the very same people going on with their tales of woe, are witness to horrific regional wars and say nothing. In excess of 6.5 million people are reported as displaced (refugees) in Sudan by the International Refugee Council. In excess of 1 million are sheltering in bordering countries with 500,000 pushed farther out. International relief aid is now provided to 25 million Sudanese with an estimated 40% of the population experiencing food insecurity. Unlike Israel which provided food aid to the attacking population, the Sudanese Islamist fighters do not share such humanity or generosity.

As Iran slaughtered thousands in its streets and tortured thousands more in its prison, the people who came to march in support of Hamas and Gaza have neither protested nor marched. Iran is a supporter of Hamas and enabled the Gaza war, even encouraged it to prevent the expansion of peace with the Gulf Arabs and Israel. And yet, none of the Israel haters has said anything. Instead they offer their tacit support of Iran. You like to think you occupy the higher moral ground, but you do not.

We used to sing a rousing version of Baring Gould's hymn at service. The 2nd verse inspires me as I do battle with the tools of evil;

At the sign of triumph
Satan's host doth flee;
On, then, Christian soldiers, on to victory!
Hell's foundations quiver
at the shout of praise;
Brothers, lift your voices,
loud your anthems raise!

On 1/19/2026 at 5:19 AM, Evil Penevil said:

That's a shocking headline. Apparently Jews are no longer safe in the U.K. as the government is unable or unwilling to tackle deeply ingrained and fanatic antisemitism. Listing Palestine Action was a good start, but doesn't go far enough.

US considering asylum for British Jews

The Trump administration is discussing the possibility of offering asylum to Britain’s Jewish population, The Telegraph can reveal.

Robert Garson, Donald Trump’s personal lawyer, said he had been in talks with the state department about providing sanctuary for British Jews fleeing anti-Semitism.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-considering-asylum-for-british-jews/ar-AA1UsfkW?ocid=msedgntp&pc=W230&cvid=696d57dd546e4ba18e2a9515aa327cc7&ei=25

Like the Trump administration is telling truths.

59 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

It is rude, crude, ignorant and typically indicates an inherent prejudice. People do not go around demanding to know if someone is jewish unless there is an ulterior motive. This is not 1940 occupied Europe. The people who do this do not typically demand to know if Irish people are Catholic or Protestant, particularly in Belfast, unless one is looking for trouble. Do you demand to know if Indians, are Jain, Muslim, Hindu etc?

Pride in ethnicity? That comment is lifted right out of the extremist literature. If it was being made by a supporter of Aryan Nations, some people would be aghast. The Pakistani terrorists who attacked Pahalgam last year demanded of each of the captured Indians who was not a muslim. Those who did not say they were and could prove it, were shot dead. 24 Hindus and 1 Christian were savagely killed. This included children. That's what your pride in ethnicity delivers. It is a primitive, tribal position and is not shared by educated people.

You describe Israel as a pariah terrorist state. OK. The evidence does not support the claim and no matter what one says, you will continue to push your hatred of Israel and suspicion of Jews. The hypocrisy and directed hate for Israel and Jews is obvious when the very same people going on with their tales of woe, are witness to horrific regional wars and say nothing. In excess of 6.5 million people are reported as displaced (refugees) in Sudan by the International Refugee Council. In excess of 1 million are sheltering in bordering countries with 500,000 pushed farther out. International relief aid is now provided to 25 million Sudanese with an estimated 40% of the population experiencing food insecurity. Unlike Israel which provided food aid to the attacking population, the Sudanese Islamist fighters do not share such humanity or generosity.

As Iran slaughtered thousands in its streets and tortured thousands more in its prison, the people who came to march in support of Hamas and Gaza have neither protested nor marched. Iran is a supporter of Hamas and enabled the Gaza war, even encouraged it to prevent the expansion of peace with the Gulf Arabs and Israel. And yet, none of the Israel haters has said anything. Instead they offer their tacit support of Iran. You like to think you occupy the higher moral ground, but you do not.

We used to sing a rousing version of Baring Gould's hymn at service. The 2nd verse inspires me as I do battle with the tools of evil;

At the sign of triumph
Satan's host doth flee;
On, then, Christian soldiers, on to victory!
Hell's foundations quiver
at the shout of praise;
Brothers, lift your voices,
loud your anthems raise!

You’re conflating contextual questions with hostile interrogation, and that’s the core flaw in your argument.

In many countries, asking about religion or ethnicity is normal when it’s directly relevant to social, cultural, or legal norms. In Muslim-majority countries, it is entirely reasonable to ask whether someone is Muslim when discussing food laws, customs, or religious practice. That isn’t persecution — it’s contextual awareness. The same applies in Thailand, Israel, India, or anywhere else. Intent matters, and you’re assuming malicious intent where none has been demonstrated.

Your repeated comparisons to Nazi Europe, Belfast sectarian violence, and terrorist atrocities are category errors. Asking a question in a discussion is not morally or logically equivalent to armed violence. Invoking extreme examples to shut down ordinary debate is a classic form of moral inflation, and it weakens rather than strengthens your case.

You also slide between ethnicity, religion, nationality, and ideology as if they are interchangeable. They are not. Pride in cultural background is not “extremist literature” it becomes extremism only when used to justify exclusion or harm, which has not been argued or evidenced here.

Finally, pointing to suffering elsewhere (Sudan, Iran) does not invalidate criticism of Israel, nor does criticism of Israel imply hatred of Jews. That’s a false binary and a well-known rhetorical shortcut. Multiple injustices can be acknowledged simultaneously without one cancelling out the other. Robust discussion requires less moral grandstanding and more precision.

If we’re going to invoke religious songs as moral authority, it’s worth remembering that Jewish tradition also contains powerful reminders of humility and restraint, not tribal triumphalism. One of the best known is from Psalms:

“Seek peace and pursue it.” (Psalm 34:14)

Or from Pirkei Avot (Ethics of the Fathers), which is central to Jewish moral teaching:

“Who is mighty? One who conquers their own impulse.”

These texts emphasise self-control, moral responsibility, and peace , not viewing disagreement as warfare or framing critics as enemies to be defeated. Quoting scripture should illuminate values, not be used as a rallying cry to shut down debate.

4 hours ago, JimCM said:

Because he said it's not antisemitism to ask if someone is Jewish, but never answers.

My opinion is based is my own life's experiences , nothing to do with Religion .

Spent some time in Israeli Kibbitzes , stayed for while in top security Jordanian jails with the Black September guys , all lifed off , jailed for life .

Seen the torture rooms and heard the screams coming from that .

Al Mahatta in Amman , Jordan , think its closed down now though .

Other inmates kept speaking to me in Hebrew , I always replied in Arabic "La atticulum Arabie" "(I cannot speak Arabic) and they all laughted

When I left they informed me that they would have killed me if I was Israeli affiliated .

I thanked them for not killing me and bid them farewell

22 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Israelis /Jews also legally bought some of the land in Gaza and the West bank , just like your forefathers did (In Canada)

That doesn’t make the land Israel.

9 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

You describe Israel as a pariah terrorist state. OK. The evidence does not support the claim

I beg to differ. There is ample evidence.

On 1/25/2026 at 9:39 AM, Nick Carter icp said:

Sadly vandalising/attacking religious places globally is on the rise.It's not unque to judaism.

I'll search for information about mosque attacks globally over the past 3 years.Let me search for more specific data on the number of mosque attacks globally in recent years.Based on the search results, I can provide you with information about mosque attacks globally over the past 3 years, though comprehensive exact numbers are difficult to establish due to the nature of data collection:

Notable Patterns and Statistics:

General Trends:

• In the UK, roughly 42 percent of surveyed mosques or Islamic bodies experienced attacks over a three-year period (as of 2022)

• Islamophobic hate surged globally, with the US seeing a 200% rise in antisemitic incidents in 2024

Gaza Conflict (2023-2025): The Israeli invasion of Gaza has caused extensive damage to mosques:

• Israel has destroyed 79% of the mosques in the Gaza Strip

• Gaza local authorities reported that 1,000 mosques have been destroyed since October 7, 2023, though the BBC confirmed 72 incidents of mosques being damaged or destroyed between October 7 and December 31, 2023

Major Individual Attacks: Recent significant mosque attacks include:

• 2023 Peshawar mosque bombing (Pakistan) - killed 84 people and injured 217

• 2024 Muscat mosque shooting (Oman) - killed six people and injured as many as fifty others

• Multiple attacks in Afghanistan, including the 2022 Mazar-i-Sharif and 2023 Fayzabad bombings

US Context: The Council on American-Islamic Relations documented 607 hate crime incidents in 2023, with several mosque arsons reported including in St. Paul, Minnesota in May 2023.

Unfortunately, there's no single comprehensive database tracking all mosque attacks worldwide, making it difficult to provide an exact total number across all countries for the past three years.

On 1/19/2026 at 7:39 AM, Evil Penevil said:

Would you consider the feelings of Jewish people in the U.K. to be evidence they aren't safe?

Majority of Jews do not feel safe in Britain and consider moving abroad, damning new poll finds

The majority of British Jews do not feel safe and have contemplated leaving the United Kingdom due to rising antisemitism, according to damning new polling.

The Campaign Against Antisemitism (CAAS) survey revealed that 61 per cent of the Jewish community has considered emigrating, a sharp increase from 50 per cent the previous year.

In another striking revelation, over half of respondents, 51 per cent, now believe they have no long-term future in Britain, compared with 37 per cent in 2024.

https://www.gbnews.com/news/antisemitism-jews-not-safe-uk-new-poll

British Jews are 'full of fear, like I've never seen before'

"The Jewish community at the moment is full of dread, full of fear, like I've never seen before," says Justin Cohen, news editor and co-publisher of Jewish News.

...

But the fact the Metropolitan Police reported a 15-fold increase in antisemitic incidents over the past three weeks, when compared with the same period last year, means hatred has been at the forefront of the minds of many.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67266475

Hooligans in Britain have expanded from football to many other things, now Jews, this has been caused by Israel and the way they handled Gaza, which could have been better controlled than genocide.

This anti Jewish problem is not only in Britain but many other countries as well, Australia for example.

On 1/19/2026 at 8:02 AM, 300sd said:

Try being one in Britain.

blow back from the 2nd (mini) Holocaust?

Do you know why so many Arabs have been able to accept peace with Israel and its existence, and why they are able to turn their back on the unfounded claims of Palestinian Arabs? Because they have read and understood their Quran.

The Quran makes 44 specific references to the Banū Isrāʾīl (Children of Israel). It and the Medinan surahs recognizes the right the Yahūd (Jews) to live in the land of Israel which was promised to them by Allah. There is no mention of a Palestinian people, nor of a Palestinian nation. Only the existence of Israel is recognized.

Surah Al-A'raf (7:137): And We caused the people who had been oppressed to inherit the eastern regions of the land and the western ones, which We had blessed. And the good word of your Lord was fulfilled for the Children of Israel because of what they had patiently endured. And We destroyed [all] that Pharaoh and his people were producing and what they had been building.

Surah Al-Isra Ayat (17:104) And We said to the Children of Israel after Pharaoh, “Reside in the land, but when the promise of the Hereafter comes to pass,We will bring you all together.”

The Quran makes 136 references to Moses the Hebrew prophet who led the Israelites out of slavery in Egypt to where they had been taken by Pharoah, and back to their land.The Quran recognizes Moses as the most important of prophets to the Jews and recognizes his duty to bring them to their homeland. The Quran commands the Jews not to turn back from entering the the holy land that Allah has ordained for them.

Surah Al-Ma'idah (5:20-21): Remember when Moses said to his people: 'My people, remember Allah's favour upon you when He raised Prophets amongst you and appointed you rulers, and granted to you what He had not granted to anyone else in the world. My people! Enter the holy land which Allah has ordained for you; and do not turn back for then you will turn about losers.

The Quran makes no mention of any prophet taking a Palestinian to a Palestinian homeland. Hamas, Islamic Jihad, the mullahs of Iran and their western enablers all ignore this and have instead created a parallel narrative to deny the directives set out in the Quran.

The Quran is full of scientific errors and makes you wonder who wrote it.