6 minutes ago, newnative said:

None that I know of. The Order of Removal (Deportaton Order) is the final legal order requiring the deportaton of an illegal alien, with no further appeal available, according to Google. When the ICE agent has this warrant in hand, the agent has a limited assignment to locate the illegal alien on the warrant and take him in to custody to be deported.

While on this limited-in-scope mission to find the person on the warrant, the agent is NOT to approach a car partially blocking traffic, unless the agent has probable cause that the person named on the legal warrant is in the car. The ICE agent has absolutely NO authority to disengage from his assignment and do local traffic duties, such as a stopped car partially blocking traffic.

The ICE agent, while on this assignment, also does not have the authority to randomly stop a car without a warrant or probable cause to check who is inside.

The ICE agent while on this assignment also does not have the authority to randomly go door-to-door looking for the illegal, or other illegals. Again, he can only approach someone with either a legal warrant or probable cause. Being non-white is not probable cause, by the way.

ICE agents also do not have the authority to randomly stop people on the streets and demand that they prove they are citizens.

ICE agents also are not allowed to enter a home or other 'private space' without a warrant.

As I said in an earlier post, I think most Americans, including me, are in favor of secure borders, and illegal aliens that have Orders of Deportation on them being picked up and deported. What the majority of Americans are not in favor of, and polls show this, is ICE agents vastly over-stepping, in too many cases both brutally and illegally, the limited legal authority that they have, which has resulted in Americans being illegally engaged with, assaulted, sprayed with chemicals, murdered, and, in hundreds of cases, illegally arrested and detained.

Update to the above. Just before I was going to post this, I saw a news article of a new ICE internal memo which states that ICE agents are now prohibited from stopping and engaging with what they are now calling 'agitators'. ICE has deemed this activity to be 'unproductive' and to 'serve no purpose other than inflaming the situation.' They will also be issued megaphones to interact from a distance, if necessary.

Had this new directive been in place earlier, which emphasizes ICE's limited legal authority and engagement, Good and Pretti would likely not have been murdered by the ICE agents, who, if they followed the memo, would not have engaged with either of them at close range.

Also, according to the memo, ICE will now be targeting illegals with criminal records, rather than using a 'catch everyone' approach--which was catching far too many legal citizens, when they weren't being assaulted, murdered, sprayed with chemicals, etc. Looks like ICE blinked, and about time.

You have been disinformed about the limitations of federal law enforcement officers. Interfering with federal law enforcement is illegal, and ICE agents can arrest agitators that interfere.

On 1/29/2026 at 4:29 AM, bannork said:

Alex Pretti at work

Phony AI photo of Alex Pretti.

10 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

You have been disinformed about the limitations of federal law enforcement officers. Interfering with federal law enforcement is illegal, and ICE agents can arrest agitators that interfere.

Yes, of course, they can. The devil is in the details. Sitting in a parked car, even if it is partially blocking traffic, is not 'interfering'. Neither is filming with a cell phone. The new directive recognizes that there have been way too many abuses by ICE agents in the interpretation of 'interfering'.

With the new directive, as I have said, the agents would not have approached closely to either Good or Pretti. Following the instructions of the directive, they would not have engaged at all. But, if they did decide to engage, they would have done so from a distance, with megaphones. Example with megaphone: "To the driver of the Honda Pilot. You are partially blocking traffic. Either move your car or we will contact local traffic police to ticket you and tow your vehicle." Then, not being traffic police, they would have gotten back in their vehicle and continued on their way to find the illegal alien with a deportation warrant--the purpose of their mission. Outcome, Ms. Good still alive. Massive protests prevented.

17 minutes ago, newnative said:

Yes, of course, they can. The devil is in the details. Sitting in a parked car, even if it is partially blocking traffic, is not 'interfering'. Neither is filming with a cell phone. The new directive recognizes that there have been way too many abuses by ICE agents in the interpretation of 'interfering'.

With the new directive, as I have said, the agents would not have approached closely to either Good or Pretti. Following the instructions of the directive, they would not have engaged at all. But, if they did decide to engage, they would have done so from a distance, with megaphones. Example with megaphone: "To the driver of the Honda Pilot. You are partially blocking traffic. Either move your car or we will contact local traffic police to ticket you and tow your vehicle." Then, not being traffic police, they would have gotten back in their vehicle and continued on their way to find the illegal alien with a deportation warrant--the purpose of their mission. Outcome, Ms. Good still alive. Massive protests prevented.

Intentional blocking ICE in traffic is interfering.

Alex Pretti approached ICE, and started interfering with federal law enforcement, ICE did not approach Alex Petti.

On 1/28/2026 at 9:29 PM, bannork said:

Alex Pretti at work

While the image is Google-AI generated, this vieo, of him paying respects to a deceased veteran, is not.

US Air Force Sergeant Terrence Lee Randolph, Vietnam War veteran, passed away on December 10, 2024 aged 77, from lung cancer at the Minneapolis Veterans Medical Center.

https://upnorthnewswi.com/2026/01/30/a-caregivers-legacy-family-honors-alex-pretti-icu-nurse-killed-in-minneapolis/

12 minutes ago, Roadsternut said:

While the image is Google-AI generated, this vieo, of him paying respects to a deceased veteran, is not.

US Air Force Sergeant Terrence Lee Randolph, Vietnam War veteran, passed away on December 10, 2024 aged 77, from lung cancer at the Minneapolis Veterans Medical Center.

https://upnorthnewswi.com/2026/01/30/a-caregivers-legacy-family-honors-alex-pretti-icu-nurse-killed-in-minneapolis/

RIP Alex, your death was a tragedy.

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

Intentional blocking ICE in traffic is interfering.

Alex Pretti approached ICE, and started interfering with federal law enforcement, ICE did not approach Alex Petti.

Perfect example of why ICE did the new memo--confusion on what is 'interfering'. You say they were, I say they weren't. ICE is badly losing the argument with the American public, thus the new rule to keep their distance when they encounter any 'agitators'.

24 minutes ago, newnative said:

Perfect example of why ICE did the new memo--confusion on what is 'interfering'. You say they were, I say they weren't. ICE is badly losing the argument with the American public, thus the new rule to keep their distance when they encounter any 'agitators'.

Why were Renee Good and Alex Pretti each in the location where they were shot?

Why was ICE interacting with Renee Good on the day of the shooting?

Why was ICE interacting with Alex Pretti on the day of the shooting?

30 minutes ago, newnative said:

Perfect example of why ICE did the new memo--confusion on what is 'interfering'. You say they were, I say they weren't. ICE is badly losing the argument with the American public, thus the new rule to keep their distance when they encounter any 'agitators'.

Tom Homan was just interviewed saying that "protestors" that interfere with federal law enforcement would be arrested and prosecuted.

Incidentally, had Pretti been arrested on his previous encounter when he commented a felony interfering while "protesting", as he should have been, he'd probably still be alive.

Do you agree that Petti should have been arrested and prosecuted when he spit on and kicked the taillight out of the ICE vehicle?

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

Tom Homan was just interviewed saying that "protestors" that interfere with federal law enforcement would be arrested and prosecuted.

Incidentally, had Pretti been arrested on his previous encounter when he commented a felony interfering while "protesting", as he should have been, he'd probably still be alive.

Do you agree that Petti should have been arrested and prosecuted when he spit on and kicked the taillight out of the ICE vehicle?

If anyone vandalizes a vehicle, certainly they should be arrested and charged, based on the severity of the damage. Google says around $1,000 in damages moves the charge to a felony in many locales. Not sure one damaged tail light would cost $1,000. Google puts a repair like that at $750 or less. Also not sure if one damaged tail light would have resulted in Pretti being locked up, saving him from being murdered. Likely bail would have been granted.

But, as I have said before, what Pretti did or didn't do in the past should have had no bearing on his being murdered on the day the ICE agents interacted with him. Videos show he was coming to the aid of a woman violently thrown to the ground by ICE agents. Video shows he was filming before this. Could he also have been 'agitating' at some point? Perhaps. But agitating should not be a murder offense, even with a broken tail light in his past.

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

Why were Renee Good and Alex Pretti each in the location where they were shot?

Why was ICE interacting with Renee Good on the day of the shooting?

Why was ICE interacting with Alex Pretti on the day of the shooting?

1. Irrelevant.

2. They were mad. Mad at Ms. Good's car partially blocking the road. With no traffic authority, they stopped and engaged, breaking the law. New memo says this is a no-no and stop doing it.

3. They were mad. Mad when Pretti, a nurse, came to the aid of a woman who they had violently thrown to the ground. Again, new memo says stay away from 'agitators' and only engage from a distance, with a megaphone if necessary.

8 minutes ago, newnative said:

If anyone vandalizes a vehicle, certainly they should be arrested and charged, based on the severity of the damage. Google says around $1,000 in damages moves the charge to a felony in many locales. Not sure one damaged tail light would cost $1,000. Google puts a repair like that at $750 or less. Also not sure if one damaged tail light would have resulted in Pretti being locked up, saving him from be being murdered. Likely bail would have been granted.

But, as I have said before, what Pretti did or didn't do in the past should have had no bearing on his being murdered on the day the ICE agents interacted with him. Videos show he was coming to the aid of a woman violently thrown to the ground by ICE agents. Video shows he was filming before this. A new Could he also have been 'agitating' at some point? Perhaps. But agitating should not be a murder offense, even with a broken tail light in his past.

Ford puts the price of the taillight assembly at $748.87, and the vehicle has to be taken out of service for at least a few days, plus the installation, plus any scratches and wiring, plus whatever time the agents lost getting a new vehicle. Four guys, at least a couple hours each, where does that put the cost?

I never said Pretti deserved to be killed. Why do you and every other leftist keep saying that?

Pretti was not helping a woman, he was interfering with federal law enforcement officers that were in the process of dealing with a woman that was also interfering with federal law enforcement. The woman committed a crime, and Pretti committed a crime "helping" her. That you (and every other leftist) seem to believe otherwise, matters not.

19 minutes ago, newnative said:

1. Irrelevant.

It is relevant in court.

19 minutes ago, newnative said:

1. They were mad. Mad at Ms. Good's car partially blocking the road. With no traffic authority, they stopped and engaged, breaking the law. New memo says this is a no-no and stop doing it.

She was crossways in the road, blocking ICE. She resisted arrest, and fled the crime scene, hitting a law enforcement officer with her car in the process.

Again, you are disinformed about what the limits or federal law enforcement officers are.

19 minutes ago, newnative said:

1. They were mad. Mad when Pretti, a nurse, came to the aid of a woman who they had violently thrown to the ground. Again, new memo says stay away from 'agitators' and only engage from a distance, with a megaphone if necessary.

Why is Pretti being a nurse relevant? And how would the ICE agents know he was a nurse? In any event, Pretti was not helping a woman, he was interfering with federal law enforcement officers that were in the process of dealing with a woman that was also interfering with federal law enforcement. The woman committed a crime, and Pretti committed a crime "helping" her. That you (and every other leftist) seem to believe otherwise, matters not.

Neither Good, nor Pretti deserved to die, so you do not have to tell me that again.

Don't murder innocent people you human filth. That's it. Job done.

I ain't buying a Ford now. That's an outrageous price, if correct. And 2 days/ 16 hours to install @ $100/h. I assume you have access to the FoMoCo jobsheets to come up with these estimates. That'll write a car off. A tail light unit shouldn't take more than 30 minutes to install. I saw the video, and it seems the Ford unit is just held in with clips, not the usual screws or captive studs and bolts. A little tap and it just fell out.

People complain about Chinese cars. The latest Fords seem rubbish.

7 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Ford puts the price of the taillight assembly at $748.87, and the vehicle has to be taken out of service for at least a few days, plus the installation

4 hours ago, Roadsternut said:

I ain't buying a Ford now. That's an outrageous price, if correct. And 2 days/ 16 hours to install @ $100/h. I assume you have access to the FoMoCo jobsheets to come up with these estimates. That'll write a car off. A tail light unit shouldn't take more than 30 minutes to install. I saw the video, and it seems the Ford unit is just held in with clips, not the usual screws or captive studs and bolts. A little tap and it just fell out.

People complain about Chinese cars. The latest Fords seem rubbish.

I said nothing about two days, sixteen hours to install, you just made that up, why?

This is what I said:

"Ford puts the price of the taillight assembly at $748.87, and the vehicle has to be taken out of service for at least a few days, plus the installation, plus any scratches and wiring, plus whatever time the agents lost getting a new vehicle. Four guys, at least a couple hours each, where does that put the cost?

I never said Pretti deserved to be killed. Why do you and every other leftist keep saying that?

Pretti was not helping a woman, he was interfering with federal law enforcement officers that were in the process of dealing with a woman that was also interfering with federal law enforcement. The woman committed a crime, and Pretti committed a crime "helping" her. That you (and every other leftist) seem to believe otherwise, matters not."

I think the damages are well over $1,000 without the actual labor charge to change the taillight assembly.

Even Stevie Wonder could see these protesters were interfering. And talking about the definition of interfering until the cows come home is just denial , as usual. Immigration agents are not trained in crowd control whatsoever. I went to the same training center in Glynco Georgia they did and I saw no scenarios. If the police were on the job these two shooting would not have occurred.

32 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I said nothing about two days, sixteen hours to install, you just made that up, why?

This is what I said:

"Ford puts the price of the taillight assembly at $748.87, and the vehicle has to be taken out of service for at least a few days, plus the installation, plus any scratches and wiring, plus whatever time the agents lost getting a new vehicle. Four guys, at least a couple hours each, where does that put the cost?

I never said Pretti deserved to be killed. Why do you and every other leftist keep saying that?

Pretti was not helping a woman, he was interfering with federal law enforcement officers that were in the process of dealing with a woman that was also interfering with federal law enforcement. The woman committed a crime, and Pretti committed a crime "helping" her. That you (and every other leftist) seem to believe otherwise, matters not."

I think the damages are well over $1,000 without the actual labor charge to change the taillight assembly.

You wrote (not said, I'm not on the telephone with you, unless you are a quadraplegic doing speech to text) "a few days" for the repair, which is more than 1 day. Maybe you meant it would take a week to fit a new one. Normal working day is 8 hours, assume 2 days, so 16 hours labour. But it seems you meant more than 2 days to refit a light cluster. Doesn't get any better for a junk Ford. I bet the high cost of the part is because Ford has coded the light into the car. It's common practice now on new cars for all electricals to be tied into the VIN, which is destroying the recycled parts business (ie. if the light cluster goes out, not only won't a used part work, the <deleted> car won't even start).

Looking at the refit process for a $62k Expedition, as I thought, its no more than 30 minutes to replace. Whoever told you it will take a few days to replace was yanking your willy.

Interestingly, Federal vehicles are not insured; repairs are managed from a vast budget. And the Ford rip off price for NL1Z-13405-F is listed at $2,316.22.

https://ford.oempartsonline.com/oem-parts/ford-tail-lamp-assembly-nl1z13405f

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You quoted for a newer model than the vehicle in the video. Get your eyesight checked.

Holy crap. Its a Ford, not a Rolls Royce. They make millions of these things. Didn't they think about repair costs when they procured this type of vehicle. I'm sure there are alternatives. A 2024 Chevrolet Tahoe rear light lists at $575, so way better than Ford.

There isn't going to be any wiring repairs as such. If a section of loom was damaged (which I doubt), there will be an umbilical connection just inside the trunk, plug and play. With the type of lighting in these new types of units, it would be unsafe to use crimped connectors, soldered connectors (which are a bad idea in cars anyhow) or even bodge it and scarper Scotchlocks.

3 minutes ago, Roadsternut said:

You wrote (not said, I'm not on the telephone with you, unless you are a quadraplegic doing speech to text) "a few days" for the repair, which is more than 1 day. Maybe you meant it would take a week to fit a new one. Normal working day is 8 hours, assume 2 days, so 16 hours labour. But it seems you meant more than 2 days to refit a light cluster. Doesn't get any better for a junk Ford. I bet the high cost of the part is because Ford has coded the light into the car. It's common practice now on new cars for all electricals to be tied into the VIN, which is destroying the recycled parts business (ie. if the light cluster goes out, not only won't a used part work, the <deleted> car won't even start).

Looking at the refit process for a $62k Expedition, as I thought, its no more than 30 minutes to replace. Whoever told you it will take a few days to replace was yanking your willy.

Interestingly, Federal vehicles are not insured; repairs are managed from a vast budget. And the Ford rip off price for NL1Z-13405-F is listed at $2,316.22.

https://ford.oempartsonline.com/oem-parts/ford-tail-lamp-assembly-nl1z13405f

Holy crap. Its a Ford, not a Rolls Royce. They make millions of these things. Didn't they think about repair costs when they procured this type of vehicle. I'm sure there are alternatives. A 2024 Chevrolet Tahoe rear light lists at $575, so way better than Ford.

There isn't going to be any wiring repairs as such. If a section of loom was damaged (which I doubt), there will be an umbilical connection just inside the trunk, plug and play. With the type of lighting in these new types of units, it would be unsafe to use crimped connectors, soldered connectors (which are a bad idea in cars anyhow) or even bodge it and scarper Scotchlocks.

I never said the repair would take two days.

Again, what I said was:

"Ford puts the price of the taillight assembly at $748.87, and the vehicle has to be taken out of service for at least a few days, plus the installation, plus any scratches and wiring, plus whatever time the agents lost getting a new vehicle. Four guys, at least a couple hours each, where does that put the cost?

I never said Pretti deserved to be killed. Why do you and every other leftist keep saying that?

Pretti was not helping a woman, he was interfering with federal law enforcement officers that were in the process of dealing with a woman that was also interfering with federal law enforcement. The woman committed a crime, and Pretti committed a crime "helping" her. That you (and every other leftist) seem to believe otherwise, matters not."

Where have I said that that changing the taillight would take sixteen hours? You made it up, and now you are doubling down on the falsehood.

You should apologize, but you won't.

6 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I never said the repair would take two days.

Again, what I said was:

"Ford puts the price of the taillight assembly at $748.87, and the vehicle has to be taken out of service for at least a few days, plus the installation, plus any scratches and wiring, plus whatever time the agents lost getting a new vehicle. Four guys, at least a couple hours each, where does that put the cost?

I never said Pretti deserved to be killed. Why do you and every other leftist keep saying that?

Pretti was not helping a woman, he was interfering with federal law enforcement officers that were in the process of dealing with a woman that was also interfering with federal law enforcement. The woman committed a crime, and Pretti committed a crime "helping" her. That you (and every other leftist) seem to believe otherwise, matters not."

Where have I said that that changing the taillight would take sixteen hours? You made it up, and now you are doubling down on the falsehood.

You should apologize, but you won't.

I ain't apologizing for anything. I will not be bullied into apologising for something I have not done. You're getting your knickers in a twist, and lack comprehension.

You stated: ""Ford puts the price of the taillight assembly at $748.87, and the vehicle has to be taken out of service for at least a few days"

Local dealership has cluster in stock (I checked). The vehicle is not out of service for a few days. The cluster is delivered to the cop garage same day. They undo 2 10mm nuts and pop it in. Job done. I wouldn't be surprised that the cop garage might even maintain their own inventory of parts. These service vehicles lead hard lives, and are basically wrecks when they are disposed of.

Moreover, they're not even waiting for a vehicle. The Feds don't drop it off at a dealership, and hang around drinking coffee while a courtesy car is fetched. For a start, note the vehicle has special cop clusters on the front. Likely inside it has fittings for carbines etc. That means they need a vehicle supplied that meets ICE specifications.

What will happen is the car is taken to the motor pool, and an identical one pulled out. The officers will not be hanging around doing nothing. There is a cost to the department (its ICE that bears the cost) for the replacement part, as the government self-insures. I doubt they worry about a few scratches. I don't see in the video any damage to the bodywork that would render the car unsafe to drive. There is no labour charge as such, as its cop mechanics, who are on the clock anyhow, doing the 30 minutes repair.

What do you mean by a "few days". Did you actually mean 30 minutes? Are you an Indian immigrant or something, to strangle the language like that. Hinglish is a thing.

You continue to use 2024 model prices, when clearly the vehicle in question is a completely different 2022 model, for which I have supplied the price, that you now claim I am making up. No need to say sorry.

4 minutes ago, Roadsternut said:

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I ain't apologizing for anything. I will not be bullied into apologising for something I have not done. You're getting your knickers in a twist, and lack comprehension.

You stated: ""Ford puts the price of the taillight assembly at $748.87, and the vehicle has to be taken out of service for at least a few days"

Local dealership has cluster in stock (I checked). The vehicle is not out of service for a few days. The cluster is delivered to the cop garage same day. They undo 2 10mm nuts and pop it in. Job done. I wouldn't be surprised that the cop garage might even maintain their own inventory of parts. These service vehicles lead hard lives, and are basically wrecks when they are disposed of.

Moreover, they're not even waiting for a vehicle. The Feds don't drop it off at a dealership, and hang around drinking coffee while a courtesy car is fetched. For a start, note the vehicle has special cop clusters on the front. Likely inside it has fittings for carbines etc. That means they need a vehicle supplied that meets ICE specifications.

What will happen is the car is taken to the motor pool, and an identical one pulled out. The officers will not be hanging around doing nothing. There is a cost to the department (its ICE that bears the cost) for the replacement part, as the government self-insures. I doubt they worry about a few scratches. I don't see in the video any damage to the bodywork that would render the car unsafe to drive. There is no labour charge as such, as its cop mechanics, who are on the clock anyhow, doing the 30 minutes repair.

What do you mean by a "few days". Did you actually mean 30 minutes? Are you an Indian immigrant or something, to strangle the language like that. Hinglish is a thing.

You continue to use 2024 model prices, when clearly the vehicle in question is a completely different 2022 model, for which I have supplied the price, that you now claim I am making up. No need to say sorry.

I knew you would not apologize, and I said as much in my post.

I said the vehicle would be out of service for at least a few days.

You seem to think that ICE bought a large garage with them, full of mechanics just waiting to change out a taillight assembly. The ICE agents race back to the garage, where the gruff old service manager with a cigar stub in his mouth talks smack about the guys tearing up his cars. The service manager calls Hector and Chui over and ten minutes later, they're all slapping hand and talking

sh*t and the agents are on their way with a new taillight, like Starsky and Hutch.

Because the 3,000 ICE agents are in Minnesota temporally, it's likely they have a service contract with Ford.

It's out of service the day of the incident.

Service center is notified

Vehicle has to be transported

Repair has to be scheduled

Parts have to be secured

Repair has to be completed

Vehicle has to be transported back

And who's to say the taillight was all that was damaged? If there was a scratch or dent, add a week.

So, you have the cost of the parts, the cost of the repair, the cost of the vehicle down-time, the cost of transporting the vehicle and the lost time of the officers involved. I think that gets to $1,000 pretty quick, you disagree, whatever.

And it does not matter that ICE self-insures, or what the actual repair costs, or if the scratches are repaired or not, the estimated cost of repairing the damage to "new" condition, is what would be used to determine damages in court.

12 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Ford puts the price of the taillight assembly at $748.87, and the vehicle has to be taken out of service for at least a few days, plus the installation, plus any scratches and wiring, plus whatever time the agents lost getting a new vehicle. Four guys, at least a couple hours each, where does that put the cost?

I never said Pretti deserved to be killed. Why do you and every other leftist keep saying that?

Pretti was not helping a woman, he was interfering with federal law enforcement officers that were in the process of dealing with a woman that was also interfering with federal law enforcement. The woman committed a crime, and Pretti committed a crime "helping" her. That you (and every other leftist) seem to believe otherwise, matters not.

If you can show me the post where I took you to task and accused you of saying 'Pretti deserved to be killed', I will apologize, as I don't believe that. Perhaps others have said that, but I don't think I have. What I actually have said was Pretti and Good did not deserve to be killed for what they were doing at the time of their murders. I also have said that agitating should not be a murder offense.

Pretti did go to the aid of a woman who was violently thrown to the ground by ICE agents--their poorly-trained way, this time in your words, of 'dealing with a woman'. The tail light thing is just a deflection and totally not relevant to Pretti being murdered. It could have been relevant had he kicked out the tail light just before he was murdered, thus angering the agents, but that is not the case.

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15 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

It is relevant in court.

She was crossways in the road, blocking ICE. She resisted arrest, and fled the crime scene, hitting a law enforcement officer with her car in the process.

Again, you are disinformed about what the limits or federal law enforcement officers are.

Why is Pretti being a nurse relevant? And how would the ICE agents know he was a nurse? In any event, Pretti was not helping a woman, he was interfering with federal law enforcement officers that were in the process of dealing with a woman that was also interfering with federal law enforcement. The woman committed a crime, and Pretti committed a crime "helping" her. That you (and every other leftist) seem to believe otherwise, matters not.

Neither Good, nor Pretti deserved to die, so you do not have to tell me that again.

What would or would not happen in court is irrelevant--and just a deflection. You keep saying Good was 'blocking ICE'. She totally was not. She was partially blocking a street, not ICE. Other cars went around her, ICE's vehicle could have, as well. ICE chose to stop when they had no legal authority to engage, with no warrant or probable cause. ICE has now put a stop to this, and rightly so, since the ICE agents were breaking the law.

Of course ICE agents would not know Pretti was a nurse, just as they didn't know what was going on in Good's car to cause it to partially block the road. Perhaps a medical emergency. In Good's case, not knowing, they should have had local traffic police investigate and continued on their way.

My mentioning Pretti was a nurse was to explain why he went to the aid of the woman who was violently thrown to the ground. That's what nurses are trained to do, without even thinking. Again, close up engagement with agitators has now been deemed a no-no, and, again, rightly so, as violently throwing an agitator to the concrete, which could have been fatal, is not how to properly deal with agitators.

3 minutes ago, newnative said:

If you can show me the post where I took you to task and accused you of saying 'Pretti deserved to be killed', I will apologize, as I don't believe that. Perhaps others have said that, but I don't think I have. What I actually have said was Pretti and Good did not deserve to be killed for what they were doing at the time of their murders. I also have said that agitating should not be a murder offense.

Pretti did go to the aid of a woman who was violently thrown to the ground by ICE agents--their poorly-trained way, this time in your words, of 'dealing with a woman'. The tail light thing is just a deflection and totally not relevant to Pretti being murdered. It could have been relevant had he kicked out the tail light just before he was murdered, thus angering the agents, but that is not the case.

What I said was: "Incidentally, had Pretti been arrested on his previous encounter when he ti ==commented a felony interfering while "protesting", as he should have been, he'd probably still be alive." You were the one that started the whole value of the taillight and whatnot.

Both Good and Pretti were interfering with federal law enforcement when they were killed. Neither of them deserved to die, neither of them was murdered. You disagree, whatever.

3 minutes ago, newnative said:

What would or would not happen in court is irrelevant--and just a deflection. You keep saying Good was 'blocking ICE'. She totally was not. She was partially blocking a street, not ICE. Other cars went around her, ICE's vehicle could have, as well. ICE chose to stop when they had no legal authority to engage, with no warrant or probable cause. ICE has now put a stop to this, and rightly so, since the ICE agents were breaking the law.

Of course ICE agents would not know Pretti was a nurse, just as they didn't know what was going on in Good's car to cause it to partially block the road. Perhaps a medical emergency. In Good's case, not knowing, they should have had local traffic police investigate and continued on their way.

My mentioning Pretti was a nurse was to explain why he went to the aid of the woman who was violently thrown to the ground. That's what nurses are trained to do, without even thinking. Again, close up engagement with agitators has now been deemed a no-no, and, again, rightly so, as violently throwing an agitator to the concrete, which could have been fatal, is not how to properly deal with agitators.

She moved the car forward and backward, to block ICE, while letting other cars pass. This is on video.

So, it is your position, that Pretti was just walking along, minding his own business, saw the woman pushed to the ground, and went to her aid, yes?

So why was he fighting with law enforcement?

32 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

She moved the car forward and backward, to block ICE, while letting other cars pass. This is on video.

So, it is your position, that Pretti was just walking along, minding his own business, saw the woman pushed to the ground, and went to her aid, yes?

So why was he fighting with law enforcement?

The sheer number of lies you're spreading here is outrageous.

You have the rare honor to be the next on my blocking list.

15 minutes ago, Schoggibueb said:

The sheer number of lies you're spreading here is outrageous.

You have the rare honor to be the next on my blocking list.

Please point out one lie. You can't, so spew nonsense and run away.

I'm always pleased to be blocked by people such as yourself.

Go with God brother.

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

She moved the car forward and backward, to block ICE, while letting other cars pass. This is on video.

So, it is your position, that Pretti was just walking along, minding his own business, saw the woman pushed to the ground, and went to her aid, yes?

So why was he fighting with law enforcement?

3 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

What I said was: "Incidentally, had Pretti been arrested on his previous encounter when he ti ==commented a felony interfering while "protesting", as he should have been, he'd probably still be alive." You were the one that started the whole value of the taillight and whatnot.

Both Good and Pretti were interfering with federal law enforcement when they were killed. Neither of them deserved to die, neither of them was murdered. You disagree, whatever.

Well, actually, you were the one who brought it up first by saying he would have been charged with a felony for the tail light. I simply pointed out that the charge might not have been deemed a felony, based on the amout of damage.

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

What I said was: "Incidentally, had Pretti been arrested on his previous encounter when he ti ==commented a felony interfering while "protesting", as he should have been, he'd probably still be alive." You were the one that started the whole value of the taillight and whatnot.

Both Good and Pretti were interfering with federal law enforcement when they were killed. Neither of them deserved to die, neither of them was murdered. You disagree, whatever.

Let's review the bidding, as dear 'ol Dad used to say. It was you, not me, who introduced the broken tail light into the conversation. I've maintained, and still do, that this incident from the past had no bearing on Pretti being murdered. It was you who asked me a direct question, should Pretti have been arrested and charged with a 'felony' for breaking the tail light.

I thought a felony charge was a bit harsh for just a broken tail light so in order to answer your question, I checked google to see whether a broken tail light would amount to $1,000, an amount google said was often used to determine if a vandalism had reached the threshold to warrant a felony charge. Seems it's borderline, but still not relevant.