9 hours ago, BusyB said:

More and more it appears as if a dangerously large number of people in the 'West' have forgotten history altogether.

Some never really knew history as those in power do not really appreciate people with a high education.

Some might - as you wrote - have forgotten history

Some probably have decided to ignore it.

Some remember history too well but decided to keep silent.

And I hope I am wrong, but right now it looks as we all are doomed to repeat it.

On 2/1/2026 at 8:31 PM, cncltd1973 said:

you need to research which religion is the biggest killer. Islam has killed many, many millions more than christianity

It is you who might need some further research:

Over the centuries Christianity has killed between 5 to 10 times more people than Islam.

But just look up history in your lifetime. Look at all the wars and at the body counts. Or even just now. Who is currently dying like flies? Christians? Jews? Or more likely Muslims?

We are by constant repeating so used to point out what a murderous religion Islam is, that we sometimes forget to take a look at reality.

The 20-year war in Afghanistan (2001–2021) resulted in an estimated 176,000 to 212,000 total direct deaths.

I think you overstate the numbers and it is why I asked. It is not 'millions' as you claimed. To get to millions you need to go back to the world wars, and consider the holocaust attack on the jews or Stalin's treatment of his own, or maybe Covid totals. Mostly not in my lifetime. Muslims seem to also kill their own readily.

Religions, nearly all of them, have blood on their hands.

6 hours ago, Somjot said:

It is you who might need some further research:

Over the centuries Christianity has killed between 5 to 10 times more people than Islam.

But just look up history in your lifetime. Look at all the wars and at the body counts. Or even just now. Who is currently dying like flies? Christians? Jews? Or more likely Muslims?

We are by constant repeating so used to point out what a murderous religion Islam is, that we sometimes forget to take a look at reality.

I don't know how you come to that conclusion unless you count world wars as Christian killings. I'm talking about deaths by Christians to Muslims and vice versa. in other words religious killings. again, Muslims kill many more Christians throughout history. for example, the crusades killed about 3 million Muslims while the Muslims massacred up to 80 million Indians. even now, the UN states that Christians are the most persecuted people. guess what religion is killing them?

On 1/30/2026 at 4:58 PM, NanLaew said:

I would consider that the very old "Allah was a pedophile" cherry has been ridiculously well picked. But, if that's all you've got, knock yourself out.

you mean Mohammad was a paedo. interesting that Islam's example of the most perfect human being was criminally flawed. ordering executions of even poets and musicians for mocking him. him and his band of thieves laying in wait to steal from caravans and sell people into slavery. why is this even a religion? certainly not a religion of peace, closer to a cult

20 minutes ago, cncltd1973 said:

you mean Mohammad was a paedo. interesting that Islam's example of the most perfect human being was criminally flawed. ordering executions of even poets and musicians for mocking him. him and his band of thieves laying in wait to steal from caravans and sell people into slavery. why is this even a religion? certainly not a religion of peace, closer to a cult

Oh look, it's the Tuesday morning forum Quran "expert" offering his interpretation of the bits already cherry-picked by other armchair Quran "experts".

Don't give up your day job.

13 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Oh look, it's the Tuesday morning forum Quran "expert" offering his interpretation of the bits already cherry-picked by other armchair Quran "experts".

Don't give up your day job.

typical Muslim reply when faced with facts and world views, but Jesus loves you anyway

13 hours ago, cncltd1973 said:

you mean Mohammad was a paedo. interesting that Islam's example of the most perfect human being was criminally flawed.

OK, let me put that into some perspective:

Strong Historical Evidence is supporting a higher age for Aisha and when adjusted for actual birth years, this could place her at approximately 17 or 18 at the time of marriage.

Key evidences being:

1. Traditionally at that time Arab girls-especially among the nobility-began counting their age from the onset of puberty, typically marked by a ceremony called Mu'ay, not from birth.

2. The Age Gap with Her Sister Asma (RA) was 10 years, who was 27 years old at the time of the Hijra making Aisha 17.

3. Historical texts confirm that Aisha (RA) was among the early converts to Islam, in the first few years after revelation (610 CE). If she really was only 9 when the marriage was consummated the her birth year would be 614 which does not add up.

4. After Mohammed`s death Aisha was politically active. She is credited with narrating over 2,000 hadiths covering not only aspects of Muhammad's personal life but also legal, ritual, and theological subjects such as inheritance, pilgrimage, prayer and eschatology. That in addition to her intellectual abilities and knowledge of poetry, medicine, and Islamic jurisprudence which were praised by early scholars does not sound like a traumatized rape victim to me.

Most likely her allegedly extreme young age by the time of her marriage was just a connotation to her virginity and, more than that, religious purity.

Sounds familiar?

I might remember one prophet who was born to a virgin.

In Palestine by the way in a place called Bethlehem.

And if I may add: I find it quite hilarious if people use 20th century laws to judge someone who lived 1500 years ago.

14 hours ago, cncltd1973 said:

I don't know how you come to that conclusion

Like everyone. I googled it.

14 hours ago, cncltd1973 said:

unless you count world wars as Christian killings.

No, I didn`t.

14 hours ago, cncltd1973 said:

I'm talking about deaths by Christians to Muslims and vice versa. in other words religious killings. again, Muslims kill many more Christians throughout history. for example, the crusades killed about 3 million Muslims while the Muslims massacred up to 80 million Indians. even now, the UN states that Christians are the most persecuted people. guess what religion is killing them?

Do you really not realize how you are contradicting yourself?

First you emphasize that you are talking about deaths by Christians to Muslims and vice versa. Got it.

Then you write that the crusade killed 3 Million Muslims while the Muslims massacred up to 80 million Indians.

Are you seriously telling me those 80 million Indians were all Christians???

You should take a closer look at those statistics you quote:

Statistics show that Christianity and Islam are persecuted in more countries around the world than other religions with Christianity being persecuted only in a few more places than Islam.

But this is about religion itself. Christianity. Islam.

Statistics also show that Jews and Muslims are most likely to live in countries where their groups experience harassment.

Put that in relation to the fact that Christians account for 31% of the world's population, Muslims account for 24%, and Jews account for 0.2%.

I personally haven`t heard of any place in present times where Christians have been massacred by the Thousands.

And Muslims? Look at the Western backed genocide in Gaza.

Look at the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan or how we destroyed Libya because of weapons of mass destruction we knew Saddam did not have and because Ghaddafi was such a bad person.

The truth is Iraq was a modern country, and Libya was even better as they had fee health care and education.

Did you look at these places recently? The mess we created.

All in the name of freedom and democracy.

More likely greed and hypocrisy.

Don`t tell yourself, we are the good guys on this planet.

On 1/29/2026 at 3:18 AM, sungod said:

Not the only thing he did with them I expect,

Besides, what’s a Danish Arab????

An Arab that eats cream cakes ?

5 hours ago, cncltd1973 said:

typical Muslim reply when faced with facts and world views, but Jesus loves you anyway

I'm not a Muslim.

It's YOUR view of the world view.

Don't waste your chosen deities love on me. I'm an agnostic. But if it makes you feel better, carry on.

5 hours ago, Somjot said:

Like everyone. I googled it.

No, I didn`t.

Do you really not realize how you are contradicting yourself?

First you emphasize that you are talking about deaths by Christians to Muslims and vice versa. Got it.

Then you write that the crusade killed 3 Million Muslims while the Muslims massacred up to 80 million Indians.

Are you seriously telling me those 80 million Indians were all Christians???

You should take a closer look at those statistics you quote:

Statistics show that Christianity and Islam are persecuted in more countries around the world than other religions with Christianity being persecuted only in a few more places than Islam.

But this is about religion itself. Christianity. Islam.

Statistics also show that Jews and Muslims are most likely to live in countries where their groups experience harassment.

Put that in relation to the fact that Christians account for 31% of the world's population, Muslims account for 24%, and Jews account for 0.2%.

I personally haven`t heard of any place in present times where Christians have been massacred by the Thousands.

And Muslims? Look at the Western backed genocide in Gaza.

Look at the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan or how we destroyed Libya because of weapons of mass destruction we knew Saddam did not have and because Ghaddafi was such a bad person.

The truth is Iraq was a modern country, and Libya was even better as they had fee health care and education.

Did you look at these places recently? The mess we created.

All in the name of freedom and democracy.

More likely greed and hypocrisy.

Don`t tell yourself, we are the good guys on this planet.

Not 1 good muslim country. Think about it.

On 2/2/2026 at 1:41 PM, Somjot said:

Over the centuries Christianity has killed between 5 to 10 times more people than Islam.

I would be very interested to know the source of that statement.

Historians generally concede the biggest genocide in world history was the Muslim conquest of the Indian subcontinent. The U.S. historian and philosopher Will Durant wrote, “The Mohammedan conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history." Durant does not give an exact figure for the number of Hindus. Sikhs, Jains and Buddhists killed, but goes into detail about the devastation caused by centuries of Muslim invasion and rule. https://www.scribd.com/doc/28014130/Moslem-Conquest-of-India-by-Will-Durant

The Indian historian K. S. Lai "estimated that about 60 to 80 million people died in India between 1000 and 1525 as a result of the Islamic invasion of Indian subcontinent. He concluded that about 2 million people died during Mahmud of Ghazni's invasions of India alone." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growth_of_Muslim_Population_in_Medieval_India

Lai's estimate has been contested by other historians. However, there is broad consensus that tens of millions died during Muslim conquest and rule of the Indian sub-continent.

Just a few more details about the "Danish Arab" social media creator (real name Ahmed Elchaabi). He was found guilty by a Danish court in 2024 of "condoning terrorism" because of social media posts praising the Oct. 7 Hamas attack.

The prosecution had asked for six months imprisonment. but the court sentenced him to four months jail, suspended on condition of completing 100 hours of community service. Afterwards Elchaabi appeared to mock the Danish court for its leniency.

Danish influencer found guilty of condoning terrorism

The police have opened a number of cases of condoning or inciting terrorism since October 7. The case against Elchaabi is the first.

https://nyheder.tv2.dk/samfund/2024-02-22-dansk-influencer-fundet-skyldig-i-terrorbilligelse

The link goes to a report in Danish MSM, but it is easy to use Google Translate to get an English version. The Danish language reports have a lot more background info on Elchaabi's terrorist sympathies than the English language MSM.

The Danish justice system took a much harder stance to two Swedes who threw grenades near the Israeli embassy in Copenhagen. They got what are lengthy sentences for Denmark.

https://aseannow.com/topic/1386664-danish-court-sentences-two-swedes-for-attack-near-israeli-embassy/

17 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

Not 1 good muslim country. Think about it.

I could name quite a few:

The UK, Germany, the Netherlands.

Oh, you mean now, not in 15 years.

Maldives.

Turkey and Tunisia are nice places to visit too.

And Morocco.

Malaysia

Indonesia with Bali.

In all these countries Westerners are treated better than Muslims in our countries.

8 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

I would be very interested to know the source of that statement.

https://rissc.jo/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Body_Count-EN.pdf

Just to name one.

8 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

Historians generally concede the biggest genocide in world history was the Muslim conquest of the Indian subcontinent.

The Indian historian K. S. Lai "estimated that about 60 to 80 million people died in India between 1000 and 1525 as a result of the Islamic invasion of Indian subcontinent. He concluded that about 2 million people died during Mahmud of Ghazni's invasions of India alone." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growth_of_Muslim_Population_in_Medieval_India

Lai's estimate has been contested by other historians. However, there is broad consensus that tens of millions died during Muslim conquest and rule of the Indian sub-continent.

Many historians doubt those numbers and even K.S. Lal himself writes that his book is "based only on estimates, and estimates by their very nature tend to be tentative."

Let me add some numbers:

The British created an artificial famine in Bengal, India in the 18th century and killed 10 million people.

Churchill created an artificial famine in Bengal in 1940s and killed 4 million people.

Stalin killed over 20 million people in Soviet Union.

Mao killed over 70 million people in China.

Belgium under Leopold II killed 15 million people in Congo.

The Japanese killed 40 million people in Eastern Asia in the 20th century.

The British settlers murdered over 10 million indigenous Australians

All those genocides committed by colonial Christian countries.

Lenin/Stalin were probably responsible for far more deaths than resulted from the Holocaust, but those deaths (estimated at 50–100 million) were not the result of a single genocide, like the Holocaust was, but the result of several decades of policies

What is your point?

The country your Avatar is the national flag of is currently committing geocide on Muslims (and Christians) and if you disagree with that word let`s settle on mass murder.

It is killing mostly women and children even going so far to perform target practice with children by shooting them in the head on one day, in the chest on another and in the abdomen on the third day calling all that self-defernse. It has created record numbers of murdered journalists, aid workers and medics plus the highest number of child amputees, recently attacked most of it`s neighbor countries and while committing all these atrocities', is stealing land from indigenous Muslims everyday.

If you think you can whitewash all that and keep some old victim card valid by presenting a "Muslim" social media moron or some alleged Muslim genocide Hundreds of years ago, then you are not helping your cause.

Ok, the guy is an idiot. Every society has idiots. Does that say anything about Islam. Or the view of Thai people towards Muslims?

May I remind you that although only a few but still some places like restaurants do not welcome or serve a certain ethnic group.

You remember "Your money, my money built your country"?

And Ok, Muslims murdered Millions in India a Thousand years ago. Horrible, but what has that to do with present problems?

I cannot relate to anyone who lived a Millenia ago, can you?

I can relate to people who live, have lived or even have been unalived in the time of my life and in that period it was the Christian countries who murdered way more Muslims than the other way around.

It was the West that started wars in the middle East in order to destabilize 7 countries in 5 years "starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran"(all of them Muslim countries by the way) acting with reckless disregard for civilian life.

And if someone of those countries acts violently maybe out of revenge (not saying I condone that) everybody immediately cries out: "Oh, look, look, how violent those Muslims are! No surprise, 1000 years ago they committed genocide in India."

"Oh look! One of them misbehaved on social media."

That`s just cynicism in perfection.

7 hours ago, Somjot said:

Indonesia with Bali.

Perhaps Bali is OK because it isn't Muslim.

On 2/1/2026 at 5:42 AM, jacko45k said:

I have been alive during those times and can't for the life of me think where western countries murdered millions of Muslims in the last 20-30 years. Could you enlighten me. Nearly 3000 died on 9-11.

On 2/3/2026 at 1:09 AM, Somjot said:

Major wars and conflicts since 2000 have caused millions of deaths, with post-9/11 US-involved wars alone accounting for an estimated 4.5–4.7 million direct and indirect deaths in countries like Iraq, Afghanistan, and Yemen, Libya, Syria.

On 2/3/2026 at 5:23 AM, jacko45k said:

The 20-year war in Afghanistan (2001–2021) resulted in an estimated 176,000 to 212,000 total direct deaths.

I think you overstate the numbers and it is why I asked. It is not 'millions' as you claimed. To get to millions you need to go back to the world wars, and consider the holocaust attack on the jews or Stalin's treatment of his own, or maybe Covid totals. Mostly not in my lifetime. Muslims seem to also kill their own readily.

Religions, nearly all of them, have blood on their hands.

I was not referring to Covid or Stalin but only to the post 9/11 US involved wars and I clearly mentioned a few more countries than Afghanistan (see above).

The 4,5 to 4,7 Million include those directly killed in wars but also those caused indirectly by the destruction of infrastructure, the medical systems or clean water supply.

But even if you want to ignore all that and act as if there was just a single war in Afghanistan those 176,000 to 212.000 is quite another dimension compared to the 3000 in 9/11.

Or in other words, do you know what people in those countries call incidents comparable to 9/11 happening in their places?

Tuesday!

Jokes aside I find it ridiculous if Westerners complain about violent Muslims calling Islam a death cult because if you compare the body count in our time we murdered way more of them that the other way around.

And I find it hypocritical if someone tries to blame Islam for that as this is nothing more than justifying the murder of Millions while distracting from the true reason for the violence some of them display:

We colonized their countries, even put a Jewish state in the Middle of their area, stole their land and resources and are constantly bombing and invading them in the recent decades and if a few of them commit terror acts we immediately point at them calling them violent and depraved.

That terrorist in his suicide vest would probably prefer to sit a fighter jet and throw bombs or even braver, sit in an airconditioned room operating a drone armed with bombs to protect his country but unfortunately they cannot afford that.

I am not defending terrorism. I am just sick and tired of being constantly lied to by our governments about how much some people in some places are hoping for freedom so we must go and bomb them.