17 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

The lengths people go to, rather than to admit they got something wrong...

Very true- as a long qualified and very experienced lawyer I have to confirm that if everyone was prepared to simply say "I am sorry I was wrong" I would have far less work

That would be a disaster- there would be no need for so many lawyers (LOL)

I recall Shakespeare wrote all those years ago "First let us kill all the lawyers!"

Seriously- if people accepted that sometimes they are wrong- and were prepared to admit to that fact there would be a great drop in legal disputes of all kind

9 minutes ago, marin said:

You are either putting up googled information, or putting others down in most all of your posts. By the way your posts are received you might want to think about changing your style.

Posting facts. You can't compare prices years apart without factoring in inflation.

I won't be changing my style.

15 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

They don't BBQ here like they do back home, besides the little ones for meatballs, squid, chicken and such to sell,but most everything else is the same.

At you request, I went back.

So here we are again. They barbecue whole pigs in oil drums. That's not "little ones for meatballs, squid, chicken and such to sell"

They barbecue in Mu Khrata. Again, large communal grills. They use different kinds of woods. Some vendors need to create special chimneys for their mobile carts for their very smoky offerings. There is all sorts. Just not in your narrow purview.

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Yes, everyone else can surely see what I said and meant. You can't. Your constant changing of usernames acting the same way is also obvious. Maybe you think not, but behind the scenes here many talk. You answering for others is one clue easily spotted. Don't answer for others. When you make a mistake understanding what someone has said, stop commenting as it's yes, embarrassing you.

So why is no one here agreeing with your posts on the matter? Even the OP has disagreed with your description of the modern American grill being traditional. So where is the evidence of anyone here agreeing with you?

So now you have comprehensively been proven wrong, you now revert to your old tactics. Pitiful, really.

How hard is it to state that you didn't know or that you misspoke? Too much for your ego, huh?

2 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

At you request, I went back.

So here we are again. They barbecue whole pigs in oil drums. That's not "little ones for meatballs, squid, chicken and such to sell"

They barbecue in Mu Khrata. Again, large communal grills. They use different kinds of woods. Some vendors need to create special chimneys for their mobile carts for their very smoky offerings. There is all sorts. Just not in your narrow purview.

And again, not like they do back home, meaning the American traditional style. Again, like I also mentioned, some adopt things from all countries, which is what's happened to Thailand for a century, adopting western styles. Oil drums aren't American tradition, although they've also adopted it. Mu Krata is Thai style, which America has also adopted, but to a lesser extent. Everyone uses the same fuels, from wood, coals, propane or gas. Assuming I have a narrow view is exposing your narrow, assuming view, which is also your tradition.

2 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

So why is no one here agreeing with your posts on the matter? Even the OP has disagreed with your description of the modern American grill being traditional. So where is the evidence of anyone here agreeing with you?

So now you have comprehensively being proven wrong, you know revert to your old tactics.

Birds of a feather. No one besides you is disagreeing with me, obviously because they understand what I've meant all along. You obviously haven't, which is why you're still here. You know, reverting back to your old tactics, in the same style as your other usernames. You haven't proven anything besides ignorance on your part, and misinterpreting perhaps what I originally said. What did I not know? That there are different traditions worldwide of grilling LOL. I knew this when I was watching my dad grill as a preteen. Do you actually think the US doesn't know about what goes on in other countries?

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

And again, not like they do back home, meaning the American traditional style. Again, like I also mentioned, some adopt things from all countries, which is what's happened to Thailand for a century, adopting western styles. Oil drums aren't American tradition, although they've also adopted it. Mu Krata is Thai style, which America has also adopted, but to a lesser extent. Everyone uses the same fuels, from wood, coals, propane or gas. Assuming I have a narrow view is exposing your narrow, assuming view, which is also your tradition.

You just seem to be totally without a clue. You just make things up as you go along and expect everyone else to go along with it. You just get caught out by people who have more knowledge than you.

The picture that you posted is of a device based on the modified oil drums that people would make for themselves.

You are going to wriggle and squirm the whole way through this, aren't you? You would rather die than to admit that you got something wrong.

Barbecue in modified oil drums in the USA is a staple of, particularly Texan and, Mississippi-style barbecue cultures, born from the post-WWII DIY era, with roots in the 1940s–1960s. These sturdy, accessible 55-gallon, or larger 150-gallon barrels were repurposed by welders and enthusiasts, notably in Los Angeles and Texas. Often mounted on trailers, these pits allowed for mobile cooking.

9 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Birds of a feather. No one besides you is disagreeing with me, obviously because they understand what I've meant all along. You obviously haven't, which is why you're still here. You know, reverting back to your old tactics, in the same style as your other usernames. You haven't proven anything besides ignorance on your part, and misinterpreting perhaps what I originally said. What did I not know? That there are different traditions worldwide of grilling LOL. I knew this when I was watching my dad grill as a preteen. Do you actually think the US doesn't know about what goes on in other countries?

I disagree with you and the OP has disagreed with you. That is two. No one has agreed with you. So that is NONE.

I have posted links to back up everything that I have asserted. You have posted nothing, but your erroneous imagination.

Just now, IsmeUno said:

You just seem to be totally without a clue. You just make things up as you go along and expect everyone else to go along with it. You just get caught out by people who have more knowledge than you.

Barbecue in modified oil drums in the USA is a staple of, particularly Texan and, Mississippi-style barbecue cultures, born from the post-WWII DIY era, with roots in the 1940s–1960s. These sturdy, accessible 55-gallon, or larger 150-gallon barrels were repurposed by welders and enthusiasts, notably in Los Angeles and Texas. Often mounted on trailers, these pits allowed for mobile cooking.

Give it a rest. You've exposed yourself to everyone reading here who you are. I've explained myself many times and you still haven't the sense to stop replying. Again, seeing you read but miss things. Whatever you've posted I knew decades ago. I've been cooking over 55 years, and cooking all styles of food. This means I've researched many different styles, along with seeing them firsthand.

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You keep assuming, thinking I don't already know what you're saying, yet I do. I lived in Texas 32 years. You 0. Think I haven't seen oil drum and mobile grills before?

Read this a few times before you make more of a fool of yourself. I know what tradition means. I know all countries adopt other's traditions, which is what makes things interesting and not boring. I knew all about the styles of cooking mentioned here decades ago. Not a few months or years. The USA has millions more using the grilling style I mentioned than people in Thailand. That's what I said. Nothing else. Simple. Now read it again a few times, because it seems you're not thinking clearly.

2 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

I disagree with you and the OP has disagreed with you. That two. No one has agreed with you. So that is NONE.

I have posted links to back up everything that I have asserted. You have posted nothing but your erroneous imagination.

And again, you are one and the same, which doesn't fare well for your side. The links you have posted, AGAIN, I already knew about. Your style is exactly the same as his, which again doesn't help your cause. You are still missing my point, so it's best to think a little before replying again. maybe you'll spot your errors. I'm talking to a member on the phone now, who's been in this since the start, and he is laughing his ass off, and asking me to ask you again to tell us your other previous usernames, so everyone can say, "that is him, I thought so, acting exactly the same way". Change your style, admit you were wrong, and let it go.

On 2/14/2026 at 1:03 AM, Harrisfan said:

You are 20 years older. You are slower. Less fit. Less atttractive.

Guys in 2006 said it was better in 1986!

That's true about 2006 and 20 years before; even in 2001 I heard that expression, when I first time visited Koh Samui.

However, the other part is not true – even that I'm 20 years older than in 2006 – I feel as fit and at least as "attractive" as back then, my savings have also increased by age; so, I'm still very "handsum"...🤣

PS: Some of the free birds I see in the nightlife were 20 years younger 20 years ago... – they seems to be less attractive now...🫣

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

Give it a rest. You've exposed yourself to everyone reading here who you are. I've explained myself many times and you still haven't the sense to stop replying. Again, seeing you read but miss things. Whatever you've posted I knew decades ago. I've been cooking over 55 years, and cooking all styles of food. This means I've researched many different styles, along with seeing them firsthand.

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You keep assuming, thinking I don't already know what you're saying, yet I do. I lived in Texas 32 years. You 0. Think I haven't seen oil drum and mobile grills before?

Read this a few times before you make more of a fool of yourself. I know what tradition means. I know all countries adopt other's traditions, which is what makes things interesting and not boring. I knew all about the styles of cooking mentioned here decades ago. Not a few months or years. The USA has millions more using the grilling style I mentioned than people in Thailand. That's what I said. Nothing else. Simple. Now read it again a few times, because it seems you're not thinking clearly.

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1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

The USA has millions more using the grilling style I mentioned than people in Thailand.

Please demonstrate where this exact sentence was written originally. It looks like yet another of your attempts to move the goalposts.

What you actually wrote was:

They don't BBQ here like they do back home, besides the little ones for meatballs, squid, chicken and such to sell,but most everything else is the same.

That's quite different, isn't it? It's also completely erroneous.

There are millions of Thais enjoying BBQ every day.

6 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

And again, you are one and the same, which doesn't fare well for your side. The links you have posted, AGAIN, I already knew about. Your style is exactly the same as his, which again doesn't help your cause. You are still missing my point, so it's best to think a little before replying again. maybe you'll spot your errors. I'm talking to a member on the phone now, who's been in this since the start, and he is laughing his ass off, and asking me to ask you again to tell us your other previous usernames, so everyone can say, "that is him, I thought so, acting exactly the same way".

You are just waffling and trying to get 'personal' because you have lost the debate. Your original statement was quite wrong. That's all. Accept it and move right along.

Just now, IsmeUno said:

Please demonstrate where this exact sentence was written originally. It looks like yet another of your attempts to move the goalposts.

What you actually wrote was:

That's quite different, isn't it? It's also completely erroneous.

There are millions of Thais enjoying BBQ every day.

That's my first line, which I already went over. There aren't millions of Thais enjoying American style BBQ now. Maybe a few hundred as a guess, along with their foreign mates, but by and large, very few, which is what I was again referring to. Comparing the amount, not that some do. People grill in all styles of grilling all over the world. This is common sense thinking. People aren't as hermits as you might think. Assuming gets you in trouble, as it always does for your buddy there.

Just now, IsmeUno said:

You are just waffling and trying to get 'personal' because you have lost the debate. Your original statement was quite wrong. That's all. Accept it and move right along.

I never waffle, but that's a term used by your other usernames a lot. I lost nothing. I showed you time and again you are wrong. You either are completely missing my point, or aren't reading what I write and just, like your buddy there, keep coming back to troll, like your other usernames do. My original statement was spot on. They don't BBQ LIKE THEY DO in the west. That doesn't mean they don't use American style grills, as some do, obviously as I saw them for sale in Global and a couple other stores. I did say that didn't I? They DON'T use them but a fraction of how much they are used in America. Sorry you missed that point. Not waffling, just easier for most to understand, while some take things too literally.

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

That's my first line, which I already went over. There aren't millions of Thais enjoying American style BBQ now. Maybe a few hundred as a guess, along with their foreign mates, but by and large, very few, which is what I was again referring to. Comparing the amount, not that some do. People grill in all styles of grilling all over the world. This is common sense thinking. People aren't as hermits as you might think. Assuming gets you in trouble, as it always does for your buddy there.

Yes, it was your first line. The one you asked me to review, as it was your original comment. With which I disagreed. Rather than admit that you misspoke, you just moved the goalposts to "There aren't millions of Thais enjoying American style BBQ now." 😂

Who does that, apart from Americans? It's really just nonsense and you know it.

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

I never waffle, but that's a term used by your other usernames a lot. I lost nothing. I showed you time and again you are wrong. You either are completely missing my point, or aren't reading what I write and just, like your buddy there, keep coming back to troll, like your other usernames do. My original statement was spot on. They don't BBQ LIKE THEY DO in the west. That doesn't mean they don't use American style grills, as some do, obviously as I saw them for sale in Global and a couple other stores. I did say that didn't I? They DON'T use them but a fraction of how much they are used in America. Sorry you missed that point. Not waffling, just easier for most to understand, while some take things too literally.

You do waffle...

They don't barbecue like they do it the west, is wrong. They do. They might not use the same spices and rubs, but they do.

Fractions and percentages are now being used in a further attempt to move the goalposts. BBQ is very popular in Thailand. Full stop....or Period(you may prefer). All of this tawdry arguing and attempts at moving the goalposts to try to save your face is really pathetic. You just cannot stop. It's like a compulsion.

4 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

Yes, it was your first line. The one you asked me to review, as it was your original comment. With which I disagreed. Rather than admit that you misspoke, you just moved the goalposts to "There aren't millions of Thais enjoying American style BBQ now." 😂

Who does that, apart from Americans? It's really just nonsense and you know it.

No moving goalposts, as that was what I meant all along. You missed that point, and chose to go your own way. Don't assume what others mean if you can't see it from all angles. I've fully explained myself. so let it go, unless you want to keep trolling. There aren't millions of Thais enjoying grilling like Americans do. I never speak nonsense, but you and your other usernames surely do.

2 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

You do waffle...

They don't barbecue like they do it the west, is wrong. They do. They might not use the same spices and rubs, but they do.

Fractions and percentages are now being used in a further attempt to move the goalposts. BBQ is very popular in Thailand. Full stop....or Period(you may prefer). All of this tawdry arguing and attempts at moving the goalposts to try to save your face is really pathetic. You just cannot stop. It's like a compulsion.

Still missing the point. Like they do, like I've explained over and over, is the AMOUNT the Thais do compared to the Americans. No Comparison. Can you not stick to the point I made instead of wavering off? BBQ is, and has been popular all over. BBQ like Americans and other westerners do, is not used much in Asia, especially here. Again, I've explained myself, it's you that keeps interpreting things wrong. I'm done with your "style" of ignorance, so talk to yourself or your buddy, who are again, one and the same.

4 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Still missing the point. Like they do, like I've explained over and over, is the AMOUNT the Thais do compared to the Americans. No Comparison. Can you not stick to the point I made instead of wavering off? BBQ is, and has been popular all over. BBQ like Americans and other westerners do, is not used much in Asia, especially here. Again, I've explained myself, it's you that keeps interpreting things wrong. I'm done with your "style" of ignorance, so talk to yourself or your buddy, who are again, one and the same.

Get a room. Bbqs who cares.

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

No moving goalposts, as that was what I meant all along. You missed that point, and chose to go your own way. Don't assume what others mean if you can't see it from all angles. I've fully explained myself. so let it go, unless you want to keep trolling. There aren't millions of Thais enjoying grilling like Americans do. I never speak nonsense, but you and your other usernames surely do.

So, let's make it clear...

What you wrote was:

They don't BBQ here like they do back home, besides the little ones for meatballs, squid, chicken and such to sell,but most everything else is the same.

But what you meant was:

The USA has millions more using the grilling style I mentioned than people in Thailand.

even though you didn't mention a ''grilling style" other than it not being "the little ones for meatballs, squid, chicken and such to sell".

So from your single initial statement, we should be expected to understand everything that has taken you multiple posts to 'explain', wherein still haven't managed to do so?

Why is it important that millions do it back in the USA, if you can do it in Thailand any time you like? I'm missing your point. Can you clarify what it is that you meant, in a single post?

7 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Still missing the point. Like they do, like I've explained over and over, is the AMOUNT the Thais do compared to the Americans. No Comparison. Can you not stick to the point I made instead of wavering off? BBQ is, and has been popular all over. BBQ like Americans and other westerners do, is not used much in Asia, especially here. Again, I've explained myself, it's you that keeps interpreting things wrong.

But you are wrong. It is used here. In the whole pig grills, in the baking vases, in the smoky meat barbecues...

I see it all the time. Maybe it's different out in the sticks.

5 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Get a room. Bbqs who cares.

Did you two book a room when you threadfornicated the Shameless topic?

3 hours ago, IsmeUno said:

Did you two book a room when you threadfornicated the Shameless topic?

Guess we know where the Freddy stalker that disappeared reincarnated as. Stop pestering him for our sake. He never concedes so what is the point????

5 minutes ago, atpeace said:

Guess we know where the Freddy stalker that disappeared reincarnated as. Stop pestering him for our sake. He never concedes so what is the point????

Not heard of this one...whom did they stalk?

13 minutes ago, atpeace said:

Guess we know where the Freddy stalker that disappeared reincarnated as. Stop pestering him for our sake. He never concedes so what is the point????

Quite true, I usually don't give in when I'm in the right. That he came back as another, although acting the same, is obvious.

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Quite true, I usually don't give in when I'm in the right. That he came back as another, although acting the same, is obvious.

So were you 'in the right' when you stated:

Oil drums aren't American tradition, although they've also adopted it.

Keeping in mind that the picture of the traditional American grill that you stated as being introduced in the '50s, was based on the oil drum design. Added to which I produced a link confirming that oil drums were utilised in your particular part of the world, from the '40s.

So are you still contending that you are 'in the right' on the basis of those irrefutable facts?

In addition to this, I am not convinced that your statement of

They don't BBQ here like they do back home, besides the little ones for meatballs, squid, chicken and such to sell,but most everything else is the same.

translates to

millions more Americans have barbecue devices at home.

It just doesn't make any sense at all as part of the topic of Thailand twenty years ago and now.

You were saying that eating is the same everywhere, but Thailand only has BBQ for little sticks.

But since moving the goalposts thoughout, you now claim that means a specific American style BBQ grill, rather than the original oil drum design or the fire pit or a rectangular design or...

17 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Quite true, I usually don't give in when I'm in the right. That he came back as another, although acting the same, is obvious.

But you've never been right about anything!

There is no god

Your former wives weren't narcissists

1 minute ago, IsmeUno said:

So were you 'in the right' when you stated:

Keeping in mind that the picture of the traditional American grill that you stated as being introduced in the '50s was based on the oil drum design. Added to which I produced a link confirming that oil drums were utilised in your particular part of the world, from the '40s.

So are you contending that you are 'in the right' on the basis of those facts?

In addition to this, I am not convinced that your statement of

translates to

It just doesn't make any sense at all as part of the topic of Thailand twenty years ago and now.

You were saying that eating is the same everywhere, but Thailand only has BBQ for little sticks.

But since moving the goalposts thoughtout, you now claim that means a specific American style BBQ grill, rather than the original oil drum design or the fire pit or a rectangular design or...

I posted the first picture of an American styled grill I came to. Just to show the basics of what I was referring to. Understand? Again, I know oil drums have been used all over, and adopted by Americans also, a long time ago. I could have found a gas grill and posted that, but I'm thinking most would understand what I meant, and the thumbs up I received showed some got it.

That this topic went sideways is what happens daily by many members, drifting off topic a little, which is normal but shouldn't last, but you made it happen arguing with me because you couldn't really understand what I was saying all along. I had to explain myself, where you still didn't get it, yet had to keep going like you always do, with this and all your other usernames which most know by now.

Did you not see where I quit, seeing you still couldn't stop your crapola? My statement of course translated to exactly what I said. Something you still aren't understanding perhaps? I didn't move any goalposts. You just didn't understand what I meant from the start. Others did, including two I talked with on the phone that know who you are, how you act, and were laughing all along.

20 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Quite true, I usually don't give in when I'm in the right. That he came back as another, although acting the same, is obvious.

You should stop trying to move the goalposts in any discussion. It's a very poor habit of yours.

You literally argued every point. That Mu Khrata didn't have BBQ. That only a particular American modern design of BBQ fits your description of traditional, when in fact it is the very opposite of traditional.

That's your issue. You just REFUSE to see it, when everyone else can.

Have you ever considered stating that you didn't consider it from that perspective? Rather than pretending that you knew everything years before everyone else? Stop it, it's cringeworthy.

You think that you are saving face, but it's only you who believes that you are getting away with it.