6 hours ago, Celsius said:

What a bunch of jealous crap

Don't think anyone is envious of you living in Toronto. It's a nice enough place, when the weather is cooperating. I've only been there around the York (our go to hotel) area, more than a few times. For Stanley Cup museum & sporting events, as brother a bit of a hockey fan, and even caught a few baseball games.

Sub zero weather sucks, and worse is near freezing rain. No real beach, as the great lakes are a bit chilly to enjoy swimming in, and not a fan of wearing a wet suit.

Growing up and playing around the Delaware Water Gap area, better everything, temps, and outdoor activities having a longer 'play season.

Just too many better choices in the world to live than Toronto. Aside from, we're not big city (though Toronto isn't) or even small city, densely urban dwellers. Prefer mix of countryside, rolling hills and beaches, which we have here at PKK, and what Chonburi / Pattaya has also.

More concerning is your hate obsession with other's living lifestyles. You may want to seek counseling for that, as it apparently dwells in your daily thoughts. That can't be healthy. Every day spewing hate, and trying to convince yourself you are better, happier in some way.

Been almost 2 weeks now, spewing your hatred of Patts & TH, (a place you're not even at) and how great Toronto / CA is. Give yourself a rest.

You have a pleasant day.

Edited May 6May 6 by KhunLA

Just now, KhunLA said:

Don't think anyone is envious of you living in Toronto. It's a nice enough place, when the weather is cooperating. I've only been there around the York (our go to hotel) area, more than a few times. For Stanley Cup museum & sporting events, as brother a bit of a hockey fan, and even caught a few baseball games.

Sub zero weather sucks, and worse is near freezing rain. No real beach, as the great lakes are a bit chilly to enjoy swimming in, and not a fan of wearing a wet suit.

Growing up and playing around the Delaware Water Gap area, better everything, temps, and outdoor activities having a longer 'play season.

Just too many better choices in the world to live than Toronto. Aside from, we're not big city (though Toronto isn't) or even small city, densely urban dwellers. Prefer mix of countryside, rolling hills and beaches, which we have here at PKK, and what Chonburi / Pattaya has also.

More concerning is your hate obsession with other's living lifestyles. You may want to seek counseling for that, as it apparently dwells in your daily thoughts. That can't be healthy. Every day spewing hate, and trying to convince yourself you are better, happier in some way.

Been almost 2 weeks now, spewing your hatred of Patts & TH, (a place you're not even at) and how great Toronto / CA is. Give yourself a rest.

You have a pleasant day.

You seem angry. Why does it bother you what I post. If you think I need help then you need more help for reading my posts that obviously trigger you.

P.S. I will not be giving it a rest.

TRIGGERED!

Edited May 6May 6 by Celsius

Just now, Celsius said:

You seem angry. Why does it bother you what I post. If you think I need help then you need more help for reading my posts that obviously trigger you.

P.S. I will not be giving it a rest.

TRIGGERED!

No, just concerned about your wife's well being. Got to be rough on her after a day of work, to come home and hear you ranting about AN, how all those wanks in Patts can't seem to appreciate your lifestyle in CA. Or how DJT is ruining the world, raising prices, so she has to work instead of enjoying her retirement.

Give her a break, and I hope you fixed a nice meal for her. She definitely deserves it.

Just now, KhunLA said:

No, just concerned about your wife's well being. Got to be rough on her after a day of work, to come home and hear you ranting about AN, how all those wanks in Patts can't seem to appreciate your lifestyle in CA. Or how DJT is ruining the world, raising prices, so she has to work instead of enjoying her retirement.

Give her a break, and I hope you fixed a nice meal for her. She definitely deserves it.

Retirement? She's 45.... another 30 years to go minimum.

5 hours ago, Celsius said:

God, I love AI. It will prove the final nail in the coffin for delusional sexpats. Starting with Wise!

AI often just tells you what you want to hear to shut you up so will leave it alone.

I queried ChatGPT:

Is Pattaya a good place to retire?

Short answer:
Yes—Pattaya can be a good place to retire, but it’s very dependent on your lifestyle. It’s great for some retirees and a poor fit for others.

Here’s a clear, realistic breakdown.

Why Pattaya can be a good retirement spot

1. Affordable (but not the cheapest)

• Many retirees live comfortably on about $1,200–2,000/month

• Cheaper than Western countries and even Bangkok in many cases

• Good value for condos, food, and services

. Strong expat infrastructure

• Large international community

• Easy access to Western food, services, and English-speaking doctors

• Good healthcare and modern infrastructure

👉 You won’t feel “isolated” like in smaller Thai towns.

(So people living in rural Isaan will hardly ever admit how isolating it is out there)

3. Convenience & location

• About 90 minutes from Bangkok airports

• Everything is nearby: malls, hospitals, nightlife, beaches

👉 Very easy day-to-day living compared to rural Thailand.

4. Social life & entertainment

• Huge variety: restaurants, bars, gyms, golf, clubs

• Always something happening

👉 Ideal if you want an active, social retirement.

Why Pattaya may NOT be ideal

1. Very touristy and busy

• Constant crowds and nightlife energy

• Can feel chaotic and “non-authentic”

👉 If you want peace and quiet, this is a major downside.

2. Nightlife-centered culture

• The city revolves heavily around entertainment

• Some retirees find it fun at first but draining long-term

👉 It’s easy to spend too much money or fall into unhealthy routines.

3. Beaches are just “okay”

• Main beaches are crowded and not very clean

• Better beaches require short trips (e.g., islands nearby)

4. Not the most “Thai” experience

• More international than traditional

• Some people feel it lacks cultural depth

What retirees actually say (real-world vibe)

From expat discussions online:

“Pattaya feels like a small international city… fun but can be chaotic long term.”

“The bar lifestyle gets boring quickly—you settle into a normal routine.”

👉 In other words:

• The “holiday lifestyle” doesn’t last

• Most people eventually live a normal, quieter routine

Who Pattaya is BEST for

You’ll probably like it if you:

• Want an active, social lifestyle

• Like nightlife, dining, and variety

• Prefer convenience over authenticity

• Don’t mind a busy environment

Who should consider somewhere else

You might not enjoy it if you:

• Want peace, nature, or quiet beaches

• Prefer traditional Thai culture

• Dislike tourist-heavy areas

• Are worried about overspending or distractions

---

🏁 Bottom line

Pattaya is a “lifestyle match” decision—not a yes/no answer.

• ✔ Great for: social, convenient, affordable retirement

• ❌ Not great for: quiet, nature-focused, or deeply cultural living

---

If you want, I can compare Pattaya with places like Hua Hin, Chiang Mai, or Phuket based on your budget and lifestyle—that’s usually the best way to decide.

Edited May 6May 6 by save the frogs

Just now, Celsius said:

Retirement? She's 45.... another 30 years to go minimum.

I like both you guys but Prachuap is nicer than Toronto!

7 minutes ago, Celsius said:

Retirement? She's 45.... another 30 years to go minimum.

You will make her slave away for another 30 years to pay the over-priced condo fees in one of the world's most over-priced cities?

26 minutes ago, Celsius said:

Retirement? She's 45.... another 30 years to go minimum.

Why, I retired at 45, and wife retired at 29. Daughter is shooting for under 45 or 50 yrs old. All 3 brothers retired early, and I think everyone I personally know and in circle of friends / peers, has retired early.

Don't think I know anyone worked pass 60 yrs old.

It is fine. Some like Patts, some dont. We need diversity. If everyone liked Bang Saphan Id hate it. I like my beaches near empty!

3 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Why, I retired at 45, and wife retired at 29. Daughter is shooting for under 45 or 50 yrs old. All 3 brothers retired early, and I think everyone I personally know and in circle of friends / peers, has retired early.

Don't think I know anyone worked pass 60 yrs old.

Sounds good in theory but boring on a budget. You travel which adds fun but otherwise be boring.

11 hours ago, save the frogs said:

There are probably a lot of millionaires who made a ton of money in real estate there.

For retirement, it's a different story. I just came across a Youtuber who retired in London mostly and is enjoying himself because there is a lot going on and he joins like-minded groups, clubs, does activities. But if you ask most Brits on here, they all mostly hate their country and would never go back.

Big cities have a lot going on. If I was in a big city, I might get back into attending sporting events. Also, you could get a cottage by the lake 1 hour outside the city and pop in to the city once in a while.

Beach towns in Thailand are 2-trick ponies - the beaches and the bars. Not much else to do.

Isn't that true for many small cities and towns, where lots of people choose to live, being one or two-trick ponies? The small city I lived in in the US had about the same things that Pattaya has, without the beaches or the bars. By the same things I mean shopping malls, hospitals, restaurants, grocery stores, big box stores, new car dealers, golf courses, tennis courts, movie theaters, walking and bike trails, parks, gyms, health care services, and so on. Substitute Power Buy for Best Buy, Home Pro for Home Depot, Lotus's for Safeway. Not too different.

Pattaya, of course, adds fresh markets, seafood markets, scuba and snorkeling, parasailing, island boat trips, water parks and amusement parks, horseback riding, badminton, go-carting, and other attractions like Nong Nooch Gardens and the aquarium, that my US city lacked.

32 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

AI often just tells you what you want to hear to shut you up so will leave it alone.

I queried ChatGPT:

Is Pattaya a good place to retire?

Short answer:
Yes—Pattaya can be a good place to retire, but it’s very dependent on your lifestyle. It’s great for some retirees and a poor fit for others.

Here’s a clear, realistic breakdown.

Why Pattaya can be a good retirement spot

1. Affordable (but not the cheapest)

• Many retirees live comfortably on about $1,200–2,000/month

• Cheaper than Western countries and even Bangkok in many cases

• Good value for condos, food, and services

. Strong expat infrastructure

• Large international community

• Easy access to Western food, services, and English-speaking doctors

• Good healthcare and modern infrastructure

👉 You won’t feel “isolated” like in smaller Thai towns.

(So people living in rural Isaan will hardly ever admit how isolating it is out there)

3. Convenience & location

• About 90 minutes from Bangkok airports

• Everything is nearby: malls, hospitals, nightlife, beaches

👉 Very easy day-to-day living compared to rural Thailand.

4. Social life & entertainment

• Huge variety: restaurants, bars, gyms, golf, clubs

• Always something happening

👉 Ideal if you want an active, social retirement.

Why Pattaya may NOT be ideal

1. Very touristy and busy

• Constant crowds and nightlife energy

• Can feel chaotic and “non-authentic”

👉 If you want peace and quiet, this is a major downside.

2. Nightlife-centered culture

• The city revolves heavily around entertainment

• Some retirees find it fun at first but draining long-term

👉 It’s easy to spend too much money or fall into unhealthy routines.

3. Beaches are just “okay”

• Main beaches are crowded and not very clean

• Better beaches require short trips (e.g., islands nearby)

4. Not the most “Thai” experience

• More international than traditional

• Some people feel it lacks cultural depth

What retirees actually say (real-world vibe)

From expat discussions online:

👉 In other words:

• The “holiday lifestyle” doesn’t last

• Most people eventually live a normal, quieter routine

Who Pattaya is BEST for

You’ll probably like it if you:

• Want an active, social lifestyle

• Like nightlife, dining, and variety

• Prefer convenience over authenticity

• Don’t mind a busy environment

Who should consider somewhere else

You might not enjoy it if you:

• Want peace, nature, or quiet beaches

• Prefer traditional Thai culture

• Dislike tourist-heavy areas

• Are worried about overspending or distractions

---

🏁 Bottom line

Pattaya is a “lifestyle match” decision—not a yes/no answer.

• ✔ Great for: social, convenient, affordable retirement

• ❌ Not great for: quiet, nature-focused, or deeply cultural living

---

If you want, I can compare Pattaya with places like Hua Hin, Chiang Mai, or Phuket based on your budget and lifestyle—that’s usually the best way to decide.

Best way to decide is to visit lots of cities. I think it's weird people pick Pattaya without looking around. Ai does the prelim research then you go look and see.

5 hours ago, Celsius said:

There is always a better option than Pattaya. According to Grok it should not even be the option.

God, I love AI. It will prove the final nail in the coffin for delusional sexpats. Starting with Wise!

Guessing you've never been to Pattaya, or realize, most people on AN don't live in Pattaya, I don't think.

Pattaya is more than just 'walking st & soi 6', and all easily avoided if not interested.

Ask AI any question in a negative way, and you'll get a negative replay. Here's 2 of my pet peeves of living anywhere ... so Toronto would be out of the question ... High cost of living & congestion.

NO THANKS

Crime seems to be a concern also, though that's never bothered me.

Comparisons to Thailand, wife me be safer here.

Edited May 6May 6 by KhunLA

5 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Guessing you've never been to Pattaya, or realize, most people on AN don't live in Pattaya, I don't think.

Pattaya is more than just 'walking st & soi 6', and all easily avoided if not interested.

Ask AI any question in a negative way, and you'll get a negative replay. Here's 2 of my pet peeves of living anywhere ... so Toronto would be out of the question ... High cost of living & congestion.

NO THANKS

Crime seems to be a concern also, though that's never bothered me.

Lots of guys go there 40 or 50 times for the nightlife. But you can avoid it. Still the heavy traffic and lack of nature is a turn off. It has lots of farangs if you need to talk to someone.

2 minutes ago, Rockyroad said:

Lots of guys go there 40 or 50 times for the nightlife. But you can avoid it. Still the heavy traffic and lack of nature is a turn off. It has lots of farangs if you need to talk to someone.

Traffic congestion is enough to keep me away from most places. Only go to Krung Thep for daughter. Hua Hin, PKK for medical services that we don't have in Muang district, PKK.

I actually leave my car running with AC on for the dog. From what I just posted above, not even a consideration in Toronto.

@Celsius Aside from surf & rolling hills near Patts, cost of living is so much cheaper, and you're not freezing your ass off ...

6 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

@Celsius Aside from surf & rolling hills near Patts, cost of living is so much cheaper, and you're not freezing your ass off ...

That's the whole point i guess.

Living poor in pattaya is better than living in car in America.

Edited May 6May 6 by Celsius

1 minute ago, Celsius said:

That's the whole point i guess.

Living poor in pattaya is better than living in car in America.

Who is living poor in Patts. The folks that are living in Patts, are doing just fine. Some sexpats, some family folks with nice houses. Don't hear anyone crying the financial blues.

To stay in TH legally affords plenty of funds to live here, especially if on retirement visa stay.

Your idea of what you don't know is quite negative. Even some of the condos are quite nice with lovely views, pool & gyms at a fraction of the cost for same in Toronto.

Definitely falls into a '15 minute city' as everything is in walking distance from most neighborhoods, or short baht bus, bolt/grab taxi, if not want to scoot around on bicycle or MC.

For me, not that I'd choose either, but really no comparison between Toronto or Patts, which one I'd live in, as single or married person. And no, I don't do P4P, as actually like talking to and cooking for women.

Edited May 6May 6 by KhunLA

22 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Aside from surf & rolling hills near Patts, cost of living is so much cheaper, and you're not freezing your ass off ...

A lot of people are earning 80K Plus per year in big cities.

A lot of millionaires.

They get addicted to making money and/or they actually like their careers and don't want to leave and sit on a beach in Thailand.

My tailor back home was 80+ years old. His shop was only open 4 hours a day in the end, but didn't want to stop working to go sit on a beach.

Edited May 6May 6 by save the frogs

3 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

A lot of people are earning 80K Plus per year in big cities.

A lot of millionaires.

They get addicted to making money and/or they actually like their careers and don't want to leave and sit on a beach in Thailand.

That's not Celius, and it's about his hatred of Patts & TH, vs the great life of Toronto. Which I simply can't agree with. Along with according to him, everyone here is a poor sexpat.

Not really sure being a sexpat is a bad thing. I certainly enjoyed being single in TH. Being poor, you wouldn't succeed being a sexpat at all.

As I stated, neither would be my choice, to live at, but Toronto wouldn't even be a consideration. Has literally nothing going for it, IMHO.

He's just bashing TH & Patts, but at least offer something better. Toronto isn't it.

9 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

A lot of people are earning 80K Plus per year in big cities.

A lot of millionaires.

They get addicted to making money and/or they actually like their careers and don't want to leave and sit on a beach in Thailand.

My tailor back home was 80+ years old. His shop was only open 4 hours a day in the end, but didn't want to stop working to go sit on a beach.

Work gives you a daily and weekly habit. I read a story yesterday. 86yo guy enjoys his job. Does not want to quit.

I have a house on the outskirts of Bangkok and a condo in Pattaya. I live most of my time in my house but I still enjoy stays at my condo in Pattaya for several weeks every 3 months. I must say in my Bangkok estate I've never seen any trouble in the 20 years that I've lived there. Not even a Thai domestic or any police cars in the area. Another thing is shopping is much cheaper than Pattaya where Thais consider every expat is a tourist and charge accordingly. Just an example when I buy my daily meds the local price is half of the price that I can buy in Pattaya for exactly the same products. Getting back to my estate, I walk 90 minutes every morning and many people exercising say good morning or sawatdee krub, several call by my first name that's how friendly they are.

4 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Birds of a feather

Flock together. You're on here flocking with people you hate.

Edited May 6May 6 by Rockyroad

8 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

As I stated, neither would be my choice, to live at, but Toronto wouldn't even be a consideration. Has literally nothing going for it, IMHO.

Baseball.

If I was retired in a big north american city, I might take in sporting events and get into baseball. Never made much time when I was working.

Many European cities are walkable and have nice architecture and better climate than Toronto, though. So outside Thailand, plenty of places in Europe would be better.

On 5/5/2026 at 2:16 AM, Celsius said:

Another beautiful day in Toronto. So happy to be here instead of smelly Pattaya where losers hang out ❤️ 😍

I don't think your attempt at 'bigging up' Toronto quite panned out the way you expected.

Seems that the general census is that it's a crap hole (an expensive crap hole at that) even compared to Pattaya.

Enjoy your view.

Just say boys town 😂

Many years ago I met a really attractive Thai college student in the States. She was doing one of those scam working states / abroad things. We really hit it off she never met any white guy since she was in states that knew anything about Thailand and here I was spending all sorts of time there.

Things when pear-shaped when I divulged I lived some months of the year in Pattaya. The spark was gone and things pretty much went downhill after that. I guess she didn't have enough confidence in her charms and wiles to finagle a fiance visa off of me lol

1 minute ago, Keeps said:

I don't think your attempt at 'bigging up' Toronto quite panned out the way you expected.

Seems that the general census is that it's a crap hole (an expensive crap hole at that) even compared to Pattaya.

Enjoy your view.

Do you seriously think that after 15 years in Thailand I wouldn't expect a bunch of moaning sexpats to trash a Western city the exact same way they trash Western women?

Wow… totally unexpected!

But clearly it’s hitting a nerve, so enjoy aqi 151 and mission definitely accomplished.

Edited May 6May 6 by Celsius

1 minute ago, StarOfLight said:

Things when pear-shaped when I divulged I lived some months of the year in Pattaya.

If you ever want a real gf, never tell them you have been to pattaya.

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

Why, I retired at 45, and wife retired at 29. Daughter is shooting for under 45 or 50 yrs old. All 3 brothers retired early, and I think everyone I personally know and in circle of friends / peers, has retired early.

Don't think I know anyone worked pass 60 yrs old.

Does collecting disability qualify as "retired" Probably some other words but not retired. 555

I met my girl friend in Pattaya 25 years ago, one year later we got married and we're still together. It was my first marriage ever and her second as her husband died in a motor bike accident when he was 33 yo's.