2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Could be that Anti Israelis are hardly in short supply .

There are plenty of other people saying the same as him or theres a Zionist conspiracy from the BBC to keep him from airing his point of view.....................except on the radio .

More likely that BBC Northern Ireland radio is his level of importance ?

There are not plenty of other people speaking on behalf of Professor Avi Shlaim or indeed offering his academic expertise.

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There are not plenty of other people speaking on behalf of Professor Avi Shlaim or indeed offering his academic expertise.

There are plenty of other people with a similar viewpoint .

There wouldnt be enough time to interview them all .

What other TV stations have interviewed him ?

17 hours ago, TorquayFan said:

Surprised by the way some Posters have so energetically 'processed' my comments,

That’s what happens when you make comments that are disingenuous, disproportionally biased, and lacking in moral clarity, whilst purporting to be righteous.

Tbe epicenter of trendy racist Jew hatred by brainwashed young people is now in Vienna.

On 5/11/2026 at 3:39 AM, Jingthing said:

Jew hatred is one of many forms of racism

Are Jews a separate race of people? What do you base this claim on? I recall many years ago in a polisci course a classmate made this allegation only to be shouted down by the Jewish professor. @Jingthing

Edited May 15May 15 by StarOfLight

2 hours ago, StarOfLight said:

Are Jews a separate race of people? What do you base this claim on? I recall many years ago in a polisci course a classmate made this allegation only to be shouted down by the Jewish professor. @Jingthing

Straw man garbage.

As noted several times before racism can be towards ETHNICITY as well. Duh.

Jews are an ETHNORELIGIOUS group.

Different than all the other major religions.

@Jingthing

You’ve stated you’re an atheist.

So clearly you can’t believe that the god (you don’t believe in) promised Jews the land now called Israel.

So what in your opinion is a Jews claim to that land?

2 hours ago, StarOfLight said:

Are Jews a separate race of people? What do you base this claim on?

All races are separate from each other , otherwise they wouldn't be a racial group

7 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

All races are separate from each other , otherwise they wouldn't be a racial group

I think it’s better to say Jews are a religious group.

They can’t be a race because some of their ancestors are racially different and converts from a different religion.

For example, there is no way Ethiopian Jews are from any race similar to other Jews.

1 hour ago, JBChiangRai said:

@Jingthing

You’ve stated you’re an atheist.

So clearly you can’t believe that the god (you don’t believe in) promised Jews the land now called Israel.

So what in your opinion is a Jews claim to that land?

Stupid troll question

The political ideology of Zionism is not about God promises.

Edited May 15May 15 by Jingthing

58 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

I think it’s better to say Jews are a religious group.

They can’t be a race because some of their ancestors are racially different and converts from a different religion.

For example, there is no way Ethiopian Jews are from any race similar to other Jews.

Straw man garbage.

Jews are both a religion and a people.

Ethnoreligious group.

13 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Stupid troll question

The political ideology of Zionism is not about God promises.

1 hour ago, JBChiangRai said:

@Jingthing

You’ve stated you’re an atheist.

So clearly you can’t believe that the god (you don’t believe in) promised Jews the land now called Israel.

So what in your opinion is a Jews claim to that land?

I am genuinely interested, please give me a sensible answer, I assume you do have some opinion on the matter

6 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

I am genuinely interested, please give me a sensible answer, I assume you do have some opinion on the matter

Already answered.

Stop being an insufferable troll.

18 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Already answered.

Stop being an insufferable troll.

Unsatisfactory, that leads me to think you’re a hypocrite.

You don’t belief god promised you the land of Israel, yet you defend it.

28 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Straw man garbage.

Jews are both a religion and a people.

Ethnoreligious group.

The whole topic of anti-semitism is straw man garbage.

Hate in society is so rampant that it's practically a non-issue.

It's not illegal to hate anyone. Neither can it be policed.

The only thing that can be policed is an act of aggression.

In some countries, at various times of history, depending on political events, if you are an American and traveling, the locals might hate you.

You don't think all the Trump supporters on this forum HATE all the Trump haters?

And vice versa?

You HATE Trump, don't you? That's what I've gathered from your posts.

Why is it "fashionable" for millions of people to hate Trump, but it's not "kosher" to hate a specific ethnic group? What's the difference? Because it's one person? Does it really make a difference?

I barely speak to my siblings because of sibling rivalry.

As a general rule of thumb, a whole lot of people hate a whole lot of other people for a million different reasons.

The human race is hardly a bunch of enlightened people who all like each other. That's why we need police at every street corner.

Most people on the forum barely reply to my comments. I assume they hate me, or at the very least don't like me. I think something should be done about that. We need an anti-hate save the frogs law enacted so everyone will be FORCED to like me, dammit !!

Trying to chase down "Jew haters" is like trying to chase down "the bogeyman".

You're just being a useful idiot for Zionist propaganda.

More and more people are becoming less supportive of Israel. And yes, some people may lash out against a Jewish person in London. And if they act out, they need to be jailed.

Try walking around with a MAGA cap everywhere you go and see if someone doesn't at least insult you at some point, if not punch you in the nose.

Try it as an experiment.

Edited May 15May 15 by save the frogs

1 minute ago, JBChiangRai said:

Unsatisfactory, that leads me to think you’re a hypocrite.

You don’t belief god promised you the land of Israel, yet you defend it.

1 minute ago, JBChiangRai said:

Unsatisfactory, that leads me to think you’re a hypocrite.

You don’t belief god promised you the land of Israel, yet you defend it.

You're an extremely and willfully ignorant troll.

There is no need for religious beluef to support the right of Israel to exist and defend itself.

That is core political Zionism.

Evidence of this is that atheist Jews are fully eligible for Aliyah

That doesn't necessarily mean support for all politicians and actions of Israeli governments. I certainly don't.

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You're an extremely and willfully ignorant troll.

There is no need for religious beluef to support the right of Israel to exist and defend itself.

That is core political Zionism.

Evidence of this is that atheist Jews are fully eligible for Aliyah

That doesn't necessarily mean support for all politicians and actions of Israeli governments. I certainly don't.

You really can’t help yourself reply but as a personal insult.

I wonder how big exactly that chip on your shoulder is

30 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

You really can’t help yourself reply but as a personal insult.

I wonder how big exactly that chip on your shoulder is

You irrationally call me a hypercrite after I answered about political Zionism and you're whining about personal attacks.

I wouldn't mind some chocolate chips.

Edited May 15May 15 by Jingthing

Many bars, venues and restaurants in Europe have open signs on their doors that jews are not welcome. Of course some did get into trouble, but the courts usually close the cases with no further sanctions.

Edited May 15May 15 by SingAPorn

On 5/14/2026 at 12:55 PM, TorquayFan said:

"Professor Avi Shlaim is a world renowned Israeli historian at Oxford University, but over two years of genocide in Gaza he was never invited for a TV interview by the BBC. The reason? Shlaim describes himself as an anti-Zionist Jew".

The fact that no one else seems to want to interview him either suggests hes just rather irrelevant , rather than him being Jew

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

The fact that no one else seems to want to interview him either suggests hes just rather irrelevant , rather than him being Jew

Well it's evident that extremist anti-Zionists place extra value on Jews sharing their extremism.

I think there is actually an overwhelming amount of extremist anti-Zionist rhetoric all over the media when you consider the majority these days get their "news" in other places that traditional MSM.

1 hour ago, SingAPorn said:

Many bars, venues and restaurants in Europe have open signs on their doors that jews are not welcome. Of course some did get into trouble, but the courts usually close the cases with no further sanctions.

No they do not, that's a false claim "

"While isolated, highly publicized instances of establishments putting up signs barring Jewish or Israeli customers have occurred in Europe, this is not a widespread practice. When such incidents happen, they are generally condemned by mainstream society, prompt widespread outrage, and often lead to legal consequences"

5 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

No they do not, that's a false claim "

"While isolated, highly publicized instances of establishments putting up signs barring Jewish or Israeli customers have occurred in Europe, this is not a widespread practice. When such incidents happen, they are generally condemned by mainstream society, prompt widespread outrage, and often lead to legal consequences"

Widespread or not, behavior like that would not be tolerated in the USA. Europe is not a particularly shining light of freedom, justice and virtue, it never has been. Europe has been, and remains, after thousands of years of attempts to civilize it via Judeo-Christianity, essentially a clan/tribal/linguistic morass festering with hate towards the other tribes (represented by each particular form government, conquered and conquering) that has used hatred towards the other (jews) as part of the unification/pacification of the warring tribes/nations/clans/linguistic entities.

Of course, the new uniting jew hatred tossed in the europe stew is the muslim invasion finding fertile soil. After all, not many jews in europe any more.

Europe is both the leading light of civilization and the leading cloud of hate, racism, antis semitism, colonialism, genocide, war and murder. I admire euros and laugh at them at the same time because they are such f'n barbarians.

All jews should come to America and exercise their second amendment rights.

Edited May 15May 15 by Yagoda

4 hours ago, Yagoda said:

After all, not many jews in europe any more.

I would refute that as hyperbole. In the early 1930s, before the first pogrom, there were around 500,000 Jews on the territory of the German Reich before its aggressive expansion leading to the Second World War.

Nowadays, there are about 110-125,000 in Germany -- to note: today's Germany is quite a bit smaller and some of the regions with previously the most Jews are now in Poland and the Czech Republic.

Germany has also one of the fasted growing Jewish congregations in Europe, notably with a positive re-migration from Israel back to it (why, one wonders).

Of course, I am not Jewish, so I might just not get the OPs post; he sounds paranoid and ridden with hate.

To my eyes, native German jews and/or people from Israel are not treated overall worse than anybody else -- hate crimes against this particular group are just so much more visible in the German public, as they immediately create a large public outcry against them in Germany, with extremely high prison sentences (the outcry is, to my perception, far less so if the hate crime is for example against a Syrian/Christian or an Afghan/Muslim etc, because they just do not have the same political heft and the weight of history behind them).

So while there certainly is anti-semitism in Germany like most other places, I would posit that this is a picture that repeats itself for almost any category of foreigners in almost any place -- just as a little current example: Somalians in the USA.

Just my perspective from Germany, actually living there.

Edited May 15May 15 by jts-khorat

8 minutes ago, jts-khorat said:

Just my perspective from Germany, actually living there.

Got it. The view from Germany.

40 minutes ago, jts-khorat said:

I would refute that as hyperbole. In the early 1930s, before the first pogrom, there were around 500,000 Jews on the territory of the German Reich before its aggressive expansion leading to the Second World War.

Nowadays, there are about 110-125,000 in Germany -- to note: today's Germany is quite a bit smaller and some of the regions with previously the most Jews are now in Poland and the Czech Republic.

Germany has also one of the fasted growing Jewish congregations in Europe, notably with a positive re-migration from Israel back to it (why, one wonders).

Of course, I am not Jewish, so I might just not get the OPs post; he sounds paranoid and ridden with hate.

To my eyes, native German jews and/or people from Israel are not treated overall worse than anybody else -- hate crimes against this particular group are just so much more visible in the German public, as they immediately create a large public outcry against them in Germany, with extremely high prison sentences (the outcry is, to my perception, far less so if the hate crime is for example against a Syrian/Christian or an Afghan/Muslim etc, because they just do not have the same political heft and the weight of history behind them).

So while there certainly is anti-semitism in Germany like most other places, I would posit that this is a picture that repeats itself for almost any category of foreigners in almost any place -- just as a little current example: Somalians in the USA.

Just my perspective from Germany, actually living there.

Yes that is more Jews in Germany today than I reckon most people would have assumed. The total population is larger though as well. Personally, I understand why Americans with German ancestry Jewish or otherwise would want to get an "easy" entry into the EU to escape dystopian maga fascist USA.

On 5/14/2026 at 1:55 AM, TorquayFan said:

"Professor Avi Shlaim is a world renowned Israeli historian at Oxford University, but over two years of genocide in Gaza he was never invited for a TV interview by the BBC. The reason? Shlaim describes himself as an anti-Zionist Jew".

Avi Shlaom is now 80 years old and no longer comes across well on camera. The BBC is doing him a favor.

Flame post removed. @Yagoda discuss the topic and not troll other posters.

14 hours ago, SingAPorn said:

Many bars, venues and restaurants in Europe have open signs on their doors that jews are not welcome

Would you be kind enough to provide some evidence of this please

Thanks

3 hours ago, jts-khorat said:

I would refute that as hyperbole. In the early 1930s, before the first pogrom, there were around 500,000 Jews on the territory of the German Reich before its aggressive expansion leading to the Second World War.

Nowadays, there are about 110-125,000 in Germany -- to note: today's Germany is quite a bit smaller and some of the regions with previously the most Jews are now in Poland and the Czech Republic.

Germany has also one of the fasted growing Jewish congregations in Europe, notably with a positive re-migration from Israel back to it (why, one wonders).

Of course, I am not Jewish, so I might just not get the OPs post; he sounds paranoid and ridden with hate.

To my eyes, native German jews and/or people from Israel are not treated overall worse than anybody else -- hate crimes against this particular group are just so much more visible in the German public, as they immediately create a large public outcry against them in Germany, with extremely high prison sentences (the outcry is, to my perception, far less so if the hate crime is for example against a Syrian/Christian or an Afghan/Muslim etc, because they just do not have the same political heft and the weight of history behind them).

So while there certainly is anti-semitism in Germany like most other places, I would posit that this is a picture that repeats itself for almost any category of foreigners in almost any place -- just as a little current example: Somalians in the USA.

Just my perspective from Germany, actually living there.

You call his assertion that there are not many jews living in Europe, hyperbole, but then state yourself that the numbers now are only 25% of those in 1930’s

How do the numbers compare with other minority groups in Europe from the 1930’s.

For example, there are approximately 50 million muslims now living in Europe, with 5.5 to 6 million in Germany alone. Do you know how these  numbers compare to the 1930’s juxtaposed against the  reduction in the number of Jews. There are only approximately 1.3 million Jews in Europe now I believe.

And just as an aside, you would witness a lot more antisemitic attacks if you were living in the UK.