6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

If you're so thin skinned that you have hissy fits when told correctky when you've deflected from answering questions like a politician then this is no big loss. I was not trolling.

Like you and everyone other leftist, he can't answer real questions.

Pilgrim - "Looking at the rest of your comment, it’s fortunate that you have said previously that you are not antisemitic, and fortunate that forum etiquette dictates that I am obliged to believe you".

Thanks. Of course all the violence from Hamas, Hezbollah and the like is deplorable and the obscenity of Oct 7th will never be forgotten. Israel's response is deplorable too.

18 hours ago, Jingthing said:

My grandparents Eastern European id cards were all. stamped a with a big J.

Pretty darned rude if you ask me.

Thanks for sharing your anecdotal.experience..

It hasn't been mine.

Suggest you ask followup questions.

no need for extra questions, if somebody asks where you are from say it or ignore the question don't answer with something that was not asked

1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

no need for extra questions, if somebody asks where you are from say it or ignore the question don't answer with something that was not asked

I don't believe you.

On 5/10/2026 at 11:18 PM, TorquayFan said:

Spot on IMO ! Israel's wars in Gaza, the West Bank, south Lebanon and Iran, since the Oct 7th atrocities, have appalled countless millions.

Over many decades, Israel has played this card, i.e. that any objection to it's actions is motivated by anti-semitism itself, and thus negating the validity of direct criticism of Israel itself through this invoking of the evil of anti-semitism.

Yes the lines get blurred - there's some anti-semitism everywhere, (same as there's some anti-Muslim feelings etc.), but IMO for the most part, what we see is a manifestation of pure disgust at what Israel has done in recent years.

Anti-semitism will be on the rise but for the most part, what we see is anti-Israel feeling, and Israel has frankly, brought it onto their own heads, (whilst always claiming 'victim' status).

Myself I don't care about the colour, race, culture or religion of Folks, as long as they try to be kind . . . .

On a thread about the rise in antisemitism worldwide, your whole comment is devoted to dismissing or justifying it. You fool many on here, most because they share your left-wing views, and want to be fooled.

However, I can read between lines, interpret disclaimers, and understand that people are often easier to read by what they do not say, than by what they do.

You make no mention whatsoever of the disgusting attacks that Jews are suffering in the UK simply for being Jews, when they have nothing to do with what’s happening in the Middle East; instead you confine yourself to vilifying and blaming Israel for its wars in Gaza, Lebanon and Iran.

However, you fail to mention that Iran launched its first direct, large-scale missile and drone attack on Israel on April 13–14, 2024, nicknamed "Operation True Promise". They launched over 300 attacks, including drones and over 120 ballistic missiles and 30 cruise missiles.

And in Lebanon, on the night of 1st-2nd March 2026 Hezbollah fired rockets indiscriminately into northern Israel, braking the ceasefire that had held since November 2024, and causing mass evacuations of Israeli citizens; but you have already told me that you are not antisemitic, so maybe you just carelessly omitted the chronology of events to suit your anti-Israel narrative.

As for your disgusting comment about Israel claiming victim status, you really removed your mask and donned your keffiyeh for that one.

I see you, your agenda is transparent; I’m sure you will keep churning out the disclaimers, but you will never fool me.

2 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

On a thread about the rise in antisemitism worldwide, your whole comment is devoted to dismissing or justifying it. You fool many on here, most because they share your left-wing views, and want to be fooled.

However, I can read between lines, interpret disclaimers, and understand that people are often easier to read by what they do not say, than by what they do.

You make no mention whatsoever of the disgusting attacks that Jews are suffering in the UK simply for being Jews, when they have nothing to do with what’s happening in the Middle East; instead you confine yourself to vilifying and blaming Israel for its wars in Gaza, Lebanon and Iran.

However, you fail to mention that Iran launched its first direct, large-scale missile and drone attack on Israel on April 13–14, 2024, nicknamed "Operation True Promise". They launched over 300 attacks, including drones and over 120 ballistic missiles and 30 cruise missiles.

And in Lebanon, on the night of 1st-2nd March 2026 Hezbollah fired rockets indiscriminately into northern Israel, braking the ceasefire that had held since November 2024, and causing mass evacuations of Israeli citizens; but you have already told me that you are not antisemitic, so maybe you just carelessly omitted the chronology of events to suit your anti-Israel narrative.

As for your disgusting comment about Israel claiming victim status, you really removed your mask and donned your keffiyeh for that one.

I see you, your agenda is transparent; I’m sure you will keep churning out the disclaimers, but you will never fool me.

Bingo.

That was a denialist gaslighting post and example of the theme of the book Jews Don't Count

Pilgrim - "On a thread about the rise in antisemitism worldwide, your whole comment is devoted to dismissing or justifying it." No way, I don't agree with that! Not true !

My comment was on the point that anti-semitic and and anti-Israel feelings are becoming widely confused. Of course anti-semitism exists and it may be on the rise, but, as it's sometimes expressed on the same occasions as anti-Israel feelings, the whole situation gets confused and anti-semitism itself, may not be on the rise as much as it appears.

I have made it quite clear throughout that I deplore all the violence on all counts in every case and the shelving of the two-state ambition in particular.

I was contributing to the thread, NOT writing a book. Because I didn't mention this or that it doesn't mean I'm not mindful of all these events.

And this, "people are often easier to read by what they do not say, than by what they do" is fanciful to say the least ! It bestows somewhat unfair advantage on the 'reader'.

Calm down Pilgrim. ATB

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3 hours ago, TorquayFan said:

Pilgrim - "On a thread about the rise in antisemitism worldwide, your whole comment is devoted to dismissing or justifying it." No way, I don't agree with that! Not true !

My comment was on the point that anti-semitic and and anti-Israel feelings are becoming widely confused. Of course anti-semitism exists and it may be on the rise, but, as it's sometimes expressed on the same occasions as anti-Israel feelings, the whole situation gets confused and anti-semitism itself, may not be on the rise as much as it appears.

I have made it quite clear throughout that I deplore all the violence on all counts in every case and the shelving of the two-state ambition in particular.

I was contributing to the thread, NOT writing a book. Because I didn't mention this or that it doesn't mean I'm not mindful of all these events.

And this, "people are often easier to read by what they do not say, than by what they do" is fanciful to say the least ! It bestows somewhat unfair advantage on the 'reader'.

Calm down Pilgrim. ATB

Heres a response to you and your jew hating ilk.

https://www.hoover.org/research/new-anti-semitism

"The establishment of the state of Israel itself also served as a respectable cloak for anti-Semitism. One now spoke not of disliking Jews, but only of despising the Jewish state and seeing Palestinians as if they were victims analogous to minority groups within the West. From Oxford dons to award-wining novelists, it became socially acceptable to decry the creation of Israel in a way it was not to say that the Jews were again causing trouble. Alleging that “Jews” had too much influence was still retrograde, but worrying about the power of the “Jewish lobby” was suddenly politically-correct."

22 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Exactly, everyone that is not obsessed with hating Trump is a racist. bigot, and fascist, right?

What's hilarious, is that it mostly the Trump-obsessed leftists that are spewing hate at the Jews

If Jing wasn't a Jew, he surely would be doing the same. Reality and perspective is all the same for many.

Qatar has been funding anti-Israeli and anti-Jewish sentiments for decades now. They're the biggest donors of universities, other institutions, and even figures like Tucker Carlson who magically switched to an Israeli-hater when the Qatari money started flowing to him. They're buying both sides now. Tuck and friends on the right, and communists/leftists and academia on the left - as young adults being indoctrinated in universities it's no wonder many swallow the koolaid and get on the Jew hate bandwagon. Add to that the rising militancy and demands of Muslims around the world - and p**** leaders calling for "tolerance" and "coexistence" instead of fighting illegaly migration, crime and antisemitism, and the bottom line is this: World War 3 is not going to be about borders or between nations - it has already started and it is between radical Islam and everyone sane. Today the battlefield is Iran, and Iran WILL fall, but tomorrow the battlefield will be Berlin, London, and Paris. It's just a matter of time.

30 minutes ago, atpeace said:

If Jing wasn't a Jew, he surely would be doing the same. Reality and perspective is all the same for many.

I couldn't possibly stomach all that white bread and mayonnaise.

On 5/12/2026 at 1:46 PM, Mavideol said:

I meet a lot of people from Israel and never understood their answer when asked where they are from, I would expect them to name their country but instead the first answer is "I am jew" like jew is a nationality

I am from Israel and I have never in my life answered "I am Jew". If a stranger asks me these days where I'm from 99% of the time I will say America for my own safety and to avoid headaches. Sadly it is not safe for Jews or Israelis to disclose it to strangers these days, and that's really the whole point of this thread...

One groupe fuels jew hatred. The others fuel muslim hatred. So a sort of a balance in a world that has been going mad since the last 20 years.

11 minutes ago, PingRoundTheWorld said:

I am from Israel and I have never in my life answered "I am Jew". If a stranger asks me these days where I'm from 99% of the time I will say America for my own safety and to avoid headaches. Sadly it is not safe for Jews or Israelis to disclose it to strangers these days, and that's really the whole point of this thread...

That's a real shame that you can't say where you're from....Pretty tough......i know I would struggle with that, not sure one can ever get used to that..........

1 hour ago, PingRoundTheWorld said:

I am from Israel and I have never in my life answered "I am Jew". If a stranger asks me these days where I'm from 99% of the time I will say America for my own safety and to avoid headaches. Sadly it is not safe for Jews or Israelis to disclose it to strangers these days, and that's really the whole point of this thread...

In my much more limited experience, I also have NEVER heard an Israeli respond "I am Jew" to the question where are you from. I suppose it's possible if there was a language issue and not understanding the question. In any case, I think it's BS to report that's its common.

52 minutes ago, Off Piste said:

That's a real shame that you can't say where you're from....Pretty tough......i know I would struggle with that, not sure one can ever get used to that..........

I would advise saying Canada instead of Magalandia these days or perhaps Belize.

1 hour ago, Sigmund said:

One groupe fuels jew hatred. The others fuel muslim hatred. So a sort of a balance in a world that has been going mad since the last 20 years.

That is way way too simplistic. There is much more to it than that. Racist Jew hatred comes from multiple directions -- right, left, Islamist, you could even say traditional Christian among people still pushing ancient European tropes such as Jews killed Christ, blood libel. etc.

31 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

In my much more limited experience, I also have NEVER heard an Israeli respond "I am Jew" to the question where are you from. I suppose it's possible if there was a language issue and not understanding the question. In any case, I think it's BS to report that's its common.

In my experience only here in Thailand, if I ask an Israeli where they are from, 75% will answer truthfully, while the remaining will ask 'where do you think I am from?'..Then this always surprises me that they seem genuinely shocked that I know. I mean Israeli's do have the most distinguishable accent anywhere, do they not know that or are they being disingenuous........

27 minutes ago, Off Piste said:

In my experience only here in Thailand, if I ask an Israeli where they are from, 75% will answer truthfully, while the remaining will ask 'where do you think I am from?'..Then this always surprises me that they seem genuinely shocked that I know. I mean Israeli's do have the most distinguishable accent anywhere, do they not know that or are they being disingenuous........

How come you are asking so many people where they come from ?

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

How come you are asking so many people where they come from ?

My rough percentage quote is based on many years and I meet many people out and about and I enjoy chatting with people of the world, so invariably, especially here, I will meet alot of israelis...........

15 hours ago, TorquayFan said:

Pilgrim - "On a thread about the rise in antisemitism worldwide, your whole comment is devoted to dismissing or justifying it." No way, I don't agree with that! Not true !

My comment was on the point that anti-semitic and and anti-Israel feelings are becoming widely confused. Of course anti-semitism exists and it may be on the rise, but, as it's sometimes expressed on the same occasions as anti-Israel feelings, the whole situation gets confused and anti-semitism itself, may not be on the rise as much as it appears.

I have made it quite clear throughout that I deplore all the violence on all counts in every case and the shelving of the two-state ambition in particular.

I was contributing to the thread, NOT writing a book. Because I didn't mention this or that it doesn't mean I'm not mindful of all these events.

And this, "people are often easier to read by what they do not say, than by what they do" is fanciful to say the least ! It bestows somewhat unfair advantage on the 'reader'.

Calm down Pilgrim. ATB

Your post-comment feet shuffling are as transparent as your original comment.

Your original comment was written in four small paragraphs, plus the little post scriptum telling us how virtuous and nonpartisan you claim to be.

Each of your four paragraphs had the same theme; blaming Israel for everything, saying they have brought antisemitism on themselves, berating them for wars they did not start, while neglecting to mention that they did not start them (an example of what you don’t say as to what you do say)

All four paragraphs are archetypically antisemitic, even shoehorning the classic “there’s some anti-muslim feeling” into a thread about the rise in antisemitism; then your disgraceful comments about them falsely claiming victim status, or playing the victim card; considering they are the most persecuted minority in the world, those comments are appalling and can only be born out of hatred.

You are from the UK so must be aware of the horrendous tidal wave of antisemitism flooding the country, but make no mention of it, just devote your entire comment to blaming the victims.

You must be aware that In March this year there was an arson attack on 4 Hatzola volunteer Jewish ambulances.

Then on April 15 this year an arson attack on the Finchley Synagogue.

On April 17 this year an arson attack on Jewish charity in Hendon.

On April 18 this year an arson attack on Kenton United Synagogue.

You will also be aware that West Midlands police falsified evidence to ban Israeli fans from attending a match against Aston Villa in Birmingham.

You know what is happening, but you conveniently ignore it, and now you’re showing concern for “the shelving of the two-state ambition in particular” without mentioning that the Palestinians have rejected a two-state solution several times, most noticeably at Camp David in 2000 (another example of what you don’t say, juxtaposed with what you do)

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No Pilgrim - it's you that have 'outed' yourself by posting a distorted interpretation of what I have said.

I am aware of recent deplorable attacks on Jews in the UK. But surely, inevitable that there will be reaction everywhere to Israel flattening Gaza and Southern Lebanon whilst killing countless thousands and displacing millions. All this is OK is it? And note, I do not minimise in any way the history of Hamas and Hexbollah and October 7th. It's all appalling and inhuman. On both sides.

Yes the Two State solution has been rejected by all and that's exactly why we are where we are now.

I'm sorry to say that you have actually comprehensively proved my original point - it's not possible to criticise Israel at all without being labelled anti-semitic. Yourself - you have clearly shown that the response to anti-Israel comment, whatever merit there might be in it, becomes anti-semitic at the drop of a hat.

I'm not continuing this discussion and will put your posts on 'ignore' for the future but I wish you well.

5 hours ago, TorquayFan said:

No Pilgrim - it's you that have 'outed' yourself by posting a distorted interpretation of what I have said.

I am aware of recent deplorable attacks on Jews in the UK. But surely, inevitable that there will be reaction everywhere to Israel flattening Gaza and Southern Lebanon whilst killing countless thousands and displacing millions. All this is OK is it? And note, I do not minimise in any way the history of Hamas and Hexbollah and October 7th. It's all appalling and inhuman. On both sides.

Yes the Two State solution has been rejected by all and that's exactly why we are where we are now.

I'm sorry to say that you have actually comprehensively proved my original point - it's not possible to criticise Israel at all without being labelled anti-semitic. Yourself - you have clearly shown that the response to anti-Israel comment, whatever merit there might be in it, becomes anti-semitic at the drop of a hat.

I'm not continuing this discussion and will put your posts on 'ignore' for the future but I wish you well.

Once again confirming your thinly veiled bias; on a thread about the rise of antisemitism worldwide, you never mentioned anything about the proliferation of it in the UK, until prompted or questioned, even though you are a UK citizen and fully aware; your focus was elsewhere.

Then every retrospective acknowledgement comes with a caveat, like saying it is inevitable, instead of criticising it. In Britain in 2026 it is not inevitable that Jews should suffer abuse, physical attacks, and arson attacks from Islamists; and have to employ private security guards to protect their schools, businesses and synagogues, just because they are Jews; calling it inevitable normalises it.

And your student protest slogans like 'flattening southern Lebanon' without mentioning that Hezbollah caused the IDF infiltration, by firing hundreds of rockets into northern Israel. No mention of the Lebanese army, and the UN peacekeeping forces that should have prevented Hezbollah’s infiltration south of the Litani river thus breaking the terms of the ceasefire. No, just all Israel’s fault.   

“Yes the Two State solution has been rejected by all and that's exactly why we are where we are now”

….. No, only rejected by the Palestinians many times pre- Oct 7th 2023, but you have to distort that fact to apportion half of the blame to Israel.

Antisemitism seeps off the page of every comment you make, and it is not against the law in Thailand, or against the forum rules, so drop this lame facade of neutrality, and keep filling your boots.

Surprised by the way some Posters have so energetically 'processed' my comments, I decided to look around more widely and learn more. I found these comments from a Jewish Professor residing in England.

"Professor Avi Shlaim is a world renowned Israeli historian at Oxford University, but over two years of genocide in Gaza he was never invited for a TV interview by the BBC. The reason? Shlaim describes himself as an anti-Zionist Jew".

Interesting comments. My last on this thread. ATB

6 minutes ago, TorquayFan said:

"Professor Avi Shlaim is a world renowned Israeli historian at Oxford University, but over two years of genocide in Gaza he was never invited for a TV interview by the BBC. The reason? Shlaim describes himself as an anti-Zionist Jew".

How do you know thats the reason ?

Why would the BBC want to interview him ?

Not as if hes famous or important

16 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

How do you know thats the reason ?

Why would the BBC want to interview him ?

Not as if hes famous or important

Perhaps the that he has academic expertise in

applicable to the understanding of Israel.

Nothing to do with ‘fame’.

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Perhaps the that he has academic expertise in

applicable to the understanding of Israel.

Nothing to do with ‘fame’.

As do many other people .

The BBC covers all World affairs , not just Israel .

There are other more important issues going on in the World .

(BTW , he was actually interviewed on BBC Radio)

12 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

As do many other people .

The BBC covers all World affairs , not just Israel .

There are other more important issues going on in the World .

(BTW , he was actually interviewed on BBC Radio)

Oh so interviewed by the BBC Northern Ireland Riadio.

Perhaps someone doesn’t want his academic expertise being aired on the mainstream BBC channels.

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Oh so interviewed by the BBC Northern Ireland Riadio.

Perhaps someone doesn’t want his academic expertise being aired on the mainstream BBC channels.

Could be that Anti Israelis are hardly in short supply .

There are plenty of other people saying the same as him or theres a Zionist conspiracy from the BBC to keep him from airing his point of view.....................except on the radio .

More likely that BBC Northern Ireland radio is his level of importance ?