Is the breakfast place smoothie blues? Try the French toast.

It looks like a seriously long longshot, but give it a toss.

The afore mentioned Cameroni is still blssing out with someone less than half his age. The guy who said 50 is the dividing line is broadly accurate, but Cameroni did all right.

Problem: being the mentor has a very short shelf life before you get permanently friend zoned. Carpe that diem soon and hope for the best.

38 minutes ago, 123Stodg said:

Appreciate the detailed replies, all of them, even the ones telling me to just make a move towards the sheets. Though I’d gently push back on that. If physical gratification was the primary objective here I wouldn’t have spent over ten paragraphs trying to articulate a situation I’m finding genuinely difficult to read.

In Asia, trying to decipher how someone really feels about you is often more difficult than gaining carnal knowledge from them.

The situation I wrote about is genuinely mysterious to me. Some things are worth trying to first understand properly rather than just acting on. Make of that what you will.

Why did you not reveal your age after being asked a bunch of times?

13 minutes ago, Prubangboy said:

Is the breakfast place smoothie blues? Try the French toast.

It looks like a seriously long longshot, but give it a toss.

The afore mentioned Cameroni is still blssing out with someone less than half his age. The guy who said 50 is the dividing line is broadly accurate, but Cameroni did all right.

Problem: being the mentor has a very short shelf life before you get permanently friend zoned. Carpe that diem soon and hope for the best.

Relatedly, your writing sounds very AI. But maybe you’re just dull and formulaic.

"Cameroni did alright ?????" ..... By what metric ?

He was completely delusional and attached himself to multiple escorts and pay for play women before settling for one who was prepared to 'settle' for him - a woman who lied to him, cheated on him, kept multiple dating profiles running, maintained Tinder, disappeared whenever convenient, demanded financial support, left him for another bloke, and appears to regard exclusivity as more of a creative suggestion than a rule.

The relationship consisted largely of lies, excuses, phone signal issues, mysterious disappearances, competing men, emotional gymnastics, and Cam explaining why this latest red flag is actually evidence of her deep affection.

That's called a complete train-wreck.... Cam called it a soulmate....

If this is what "doing alright" looks like, I'd hate to see what failure looks like.

The only person who's done alright out of this arrangement is her - Cameroni is the antithesis or roll model in this case.

18 minutes ago, Prubangboy said:

Why did you not reveal your age after being asked a bunch of times?

But he already revealed his age, between the title and the OP. She’s in her “mid 20s” and half his age.

No worries, though. Obviously this is getting into the sort of advanced arithmetic that isn’t for everyone.

2 minutes ago, BilllyGOAT said:

25 minutes ago, Prubangboy said:

Why did you not reveal your age after being asked a bunch of times?

But he already revealed his age, between the title and the OP. She’s in her “mid 20s” and half his age.

No worries, though. Obviously this is getting into the sort of advanced arithmetic that isn’t for everyone.

Or perhaps he was simply speaking colloquially and rounding for the sake of simplicity.

She could be 23 and he could be 60. Equally, she could be 27 and he could be 44. The mathematics only works if we choose to interpret 'mid-20's' with precision.

If we're going to insist that "mid-20s" means exactly 25 and that "half his age" means precisely half, then yes, we can conclude he must be exactly 50.

But that seems an unnecessarily pedantic reading of what was clearly intended as a broad description rather than a mathematical equation.

Sometimes people are simply conveying an age gap, not inviting us to solve for X.

9 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

It would be a better world if the hoes and players ended up with each other, to drive themselves crazy, and the decent were with the decent, which would bring decent children into the world.

I literally met a Thai women who had this crazy theory.

In most relationships, one of the partners was good and the other was bad.

Either the woman was a ho and the guy decent, or the woman was decent and the guy an ahole.

6 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Or perhaps he was simply speaking colloquially and rounding for the sake of simplicity.

She could be 23 and he could be 60. Equally, she could be 27 and he could be 44. The mathematics only works if we choose to interpret 'mid-20's' with precision.

If we're going to insist that "mid-20s" means exactly 25 and that "half his age" means precisely half, then yes, we can conclude he must be exactly 50.

But that seems an unnecessarily pedantic reading of what was clearly intended as a broad description rather than a mathematical equation.

Sometimes people are simply conveying an age gap, not inviting us to solve for X.

Right, she could be 24 and he could be 54, or something in between. We get the general idea, though. She has lived less than three decades, while he has lived about five. If we’re trying to get a read on the age dynamic between them, that already gives us enough.

1 minute ago, BilllyGOAT said:

Right, she could be 24 and he could be 54, or something in between. We get the general idea, though. She has lived less than three decades, while he has lived about five. If we’re trying to get a read on the age dynamic between them, that already gives us enough.

I'm not so sure. The OP may have been deliberately vague about his age because the gap is actually greater than "half his age", and he was simply using a rough colloquialism rather than providing precise numbers.

For all we know, she could be 22 and he could be pushing 60. Equally, he could be in his mid-40s. We simply don't have enough information to know.

The distinction matters because a 22-year-old woman dating a 40-year-old man presents a very different dynamic to a 22-year-old dating a man in his late 50s or early 60s.

Both involve significant age gaps, but they are not remotely the same thing in terms of life stage, expectations, social perception or long-term compatibility.

That's why I'd be cautious about reverse-engineering his age from an offhand comment. The actual number could materially change how people view the situation and indeed how the girl herself views it.

6 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

I literally met a Thai women who had this crazy theory.

In most relationships, one of the partners was good and the other was bad.

Either the woman was a ho and the guy decent, or the woman was decent and the guy an ahole.

Past history has some thinking it's how things always are. Funny, things do end up that way many times.

15 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

dubious story lines

Oh yes, very dubious. Older geezer meets younger bird in Thailand. Tries to figure out whether she wants his todger, his money, neither, or both. A highly unusual and thoroughly suspicious narrative, to say the least.

1 hour ago, 123Stodg said:

In Asia, trying to decipher how someone really feels about you is often more difficult than gaining carnal knowledge from them.

Give off subtle flirtatious vibes without coming on too strong, just to let her know you're interested in a romantic relationship. If she's not interested, she'll cut off contact.

Then, you need to gauge if she is ONLY interested in money, or actually likes you.

11 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

Many wives and girlfriends are quasi sex workers, earning money from their partners, many men pretend to themselves that's not so

And the other guys are just lonely, sad and bitter.

1 hour ago, Prubangboy said:

Relatedly, your writing sounds very AI. But maybe you’re just dull and formulaic.

I've noticed this is a growing trend on AN, even from those who aren't just copy/pasting their banal, AI-enhanced knowledge.

4 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

I'm not so sure. The OP may have been deliberately vague about his age because the gap is actually greater than "half his age", and he was simply using a rough colloquialism rather than providing precise numbers.

For all we know, she could be 22 and he could be pushing 60. Equally, he could be in his mid-40s. We simply don't have enough information to know.

The distinction matters because a 22-year-old woman dating a 40-year-old man presents a very different dynamic to a 22-year-old dating a man in his late 50s or early 60s.

Both involve significant age gaps, but they are not remotely the same thing in terms of life stage, expectations, social perception or long-term compatibility.

That's why I'd be cautious about reverse-engineering his age from an offhand comment. The actual number could materially change how people view the situation and indeed how the girl herself views it.

I fully agree with what you’re saying, and further agree that the dynamic changes once the age gap becomes even larger. But assuming he’s three times her age seems like a bit of a stretch when he stated that he’s twice her age. I think it’s best to stick with the general estimate he provided unless new information emerges that suggests otherwise.

11 hours ago, henryford1958 said:

Age gaps are OK if it's 50-25, or 60-30 but when it gets to 70-40 it's not going to work. But have fun while it lasts.

75-35 for me, and pure bliss !

For two years now.

Why not just send her an email and a link to this so-called Topic on TV?

That should answer your questions immediately.

No need for you to remail sleepless in suspense for days and weeks.

Just send her this Topic's link and then pray for the best result.

37 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

I've noticed this is a growing trend on AN, even from those who aren't just copy/pasting their banal, AI-enhanced knowledge.

When people lacked the ability, or eloquence to make a coherent argument while hidding behind dumbed-down one-liners that fell flat and never actual land, the next move was always the same: accuse whoever dismantled them of using "word salad"..... or "Wall of Text"....

Now they've updated the script. The new accusation is "AI"....

It never occurs to them that the problem might not be the person with whom they disagree. It might be their own inability to understand a well-constructed argument.

23 hours ago, 123Stodg said:

And frankly, I’m not entirely sure what she sees in this. Maybe I’m the one projecting something onto it. Wouldn’t be the first time a man my age in Thailand convinced himself something was there with a much younger woman when really he was just being useful to someone.

There is no better way -- no, actually it is the only way! -- of finding out, what another human being thinks, than to simply ask her.

You might even get the truth.

But first, I would want to put it to you, that you yourself should know what you might want from all this in a best-case scenario (for you). Because only then you can act appropriately, if the answer is the "right" one.

11 hours ago, NanLaew said:

And the other guys are just lonely, sad and bitter.

You're saying the members here who have wives and girlfriends that aren't sex workers, or quasi sex workers, are all lonely, sad and bitter? I would think most of the members here who are with wives and girlfriends who aren't sex workers, are happy, content and comfortable that they have a woman they can trust, who hasn't been with hundreds of men.

My ex wife, a real messed up woman, wasn't a sex worker but worked many jobs, including laundry when I met her, and she wasn't a good partner, and leaving her wasn't a sad, bitter thing to do but empowering, as it left me open to find my now girlfriend, a government worker that's never given me any trouble.

The only thing that has me sad is not yet being in a better country with my daughter, but that's coming.

I would guess most men here that stay away from the bar scene have had much the same experience as myself. Some picking bad women and leaving, finding better ones, and some finding decent women right off, and are again, comfortable.

Assuming about others is done here by a few, and it's never a good idea as you don't live with anyone besides yourself and a possible partner, so you don't know what's happening in their lives.

Way back in my college days, I roomed with this guy who looked like a Viking god. I, skinny nerd. He considered himself a great seducer. But we had about the same batting average when it came to girls. One day he asked me how I was so good at getting girls. My answer: "I just ask!" Tell her you are aware of the age difference and that you are attracted to her, and if she would be into going out and getting to know each other better. If she refuses the invite, just smile, and say you understand.

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On 6/2/2026 at 6:08 PM, fredwiggy said:

A woman is still a woman after she passes teen years, and most still want the same things from a man. Security and faithfulness are the top two.

Age difference does matter, in how you can relate to each other. Two different generations can blend but most will have problems, especially if there isn't strong communication, which is the glue that holds relationships together. It brings the trust, attraction, caring, honesty, empathy, love and providing for together. If she doesn't speak good English, she can learn more if willing, as that's mandatory for a good partnership.

Thai women, especially when they get to their 20's, know full well what a foreigner can bring to the table, and if they've seen and heard how the locals treat their women, which is world known, they might want that for themselves. More so if they've also been in relationships where they were used and dropped.

This doesn't mean the attraction won't be there, especially if she's not overly greedy and wants a partner more than a breadwinner. Still being a woman, she will want that closeness, which most do even if they're main interest is money and things. They still have to sleep with the man every night, and taking away the ones who have boyfriends on the side, which aren't worth anyone's time, that closeness goes along with the providing, which most women want, even if they're independent themselves. You have to ask yourself what it is you're looking for, as attraction has many losing the most important thing a woman can bring to a relationship. If it's a partner, that's what you aim for.

At the beginning of any relationship for any woman, she will have her motives just like you do. If hers are a partner that will take care of her that she's also attracted to, or if she just wants money and things to show off to her "friends", she will act much the same ways. A covert narcissist in a woman will love you like you've never known, until she has you hooked. A decent woman will do the same things, but the red flags won't be there, if you know what to look for, as the first are very good at their games. This is why time always will tell more. The longer you can put off falling head over heels, the better you'll see them as they really are, in all moods and situations. Half your age can work, but she will always want to hang out with her friends of her age, who will influence her somewhat, while you will do the same. Can it work? Yes, in some situations, but I and many others here can attest that the percentages are low.

I don't often follow these threads (on what to expect in "romance" between falang and madame Thai) but I have to say this is one of the most perceptive contributions I have ever read (here) on this subject.

On 6/3/2026 at 7:28 AM, 123Stodg said:

Yes, English. She knows all the best 7-Eleven vocabulary. You should hear her say, “Warm?” when you’re handing her your unwrapped toastie. The moment she asks that question, you just melt right into jelly!

Ask her if she wants to go to a movie. That would be my next step. Buy a couple's seat and see where she sits.

On 6/3/2026 at 6:24 AM, 123Stodg said:

Been thinking more lately about a newish female friendship that has developed. It’s been confusing me, and I might benefit from a reality check from others who’ve actually been around Thailand long enough to know what they’re talking about.

I’ve been in Chiang Mai for close to seven months now. Left Bangkok in mid November last year to work on a side income project I had been toying with for a while. I’ve begun manufacturing something up here in the north in small amounts and, if all goes well over the next two months, then I’ll begin exporting it to the US and parts of Europe. It’s something I’ve done before, have some experience with, and had good success with in the past. Other than the work up here, though, I’ve been keeping to myself mostly.

About three months ago I started going to the same little local cafe near Nimman, usually about four mornings a week. Average place, but they do decent coffee and some good Western style breakfasts. There’s a girl who works there behind the counter, mid 20s, not one of those obviously done up girls, just naturally pretty in a subtle way. Small, nice smile, looks athletic, also a bit northern Thai Chinese looking, good skin, the kind of girl you find yourself looking forward to seeing at the start of the day. We started exchanging the usual pleasantries, then longer conversations. After about two weeks she started remembering which things I like to order, which I know sounds like no big deal, but somehow it felt like something.

About six weeks in, she mentioned she was taking an online course in the evenings to improve her English and asked if I’d be willing to review some of her written assignments occasionally. Her English is pretty good already, so I said sure, thinking it would be a one off. It wasn’t. We’ve been meeting at a coffee shop around the corner from the cafe on most Thursday evenings for about a month and a half now. Just talking, going over her work, sometimes for two hours.

A few weeks ago things shifted a little. Nothing major, just grabbed a quick dinner after reviewing her work when, while sharing a beer, it started feeling like possibly a bit more than just a friendship to me. Then another dinner like that the next week. She’s easy to be around. No performance, no agenda that I can detect, just genuinely friendly company. She also grabbed my hand the last time while walking back to where she parks her motorbike and then gave me a gentle hug. That’s as far as it’s gone physically, but I’d be lying if I said I hadn’t started wondering about the possibility of something more. And up until recently I’d assumed I would leave Chiang Mai in a few months once the business project is sorted, but now I’m not quite as certain about leaving so soon because I’m enjoying this new situation.

The age gap is significant, though. I’m very aware of that. She’s never brought it up and neither have I, but it’s obviously sitting there. And frankly, I’m not entirely sure what she sees in this. Maybe I’m the one projecting something onto it. Wouldn’t be the first time a man my age in Thailand convinced himself something was there with a much younger woman when really he was just being useful to someone.

But then she does things that don’t fit that explanation either. A couple of weeks ago, while we were going over something she’d written, she leaned across the table to point at something on my laptop. Her face got really close to mine, close enough that I was very aware of her, and I could smell some light perfume on her for the first time. She didn’t seem to notice what I was sensing, or if she was, she gave nothing away.

Last week she said something that’s also been stuck in my head. We were talking about nothing in particular and she said, “I like that you talk to me like my opinion matters.” Just said it casually. But it gave me a positive impression of her.

But the longer I’ve lived in Thailand, the less confident I’ve become about reading situations with Thai girls like this.

Back home, people tend to be more direct. Here, patience, politeness, and consideration seem woven into everyday life in ways that can be difficult to interpret if you’re not careful. Sometimes what looks like interest is just kindness. Sometimes what looks like kindness is something more.

Maybe that’s why I’ve found myself thinking about it more than I probably should. Just when I think I’ve got it figured out, I find myself questioning it all again.

Thank you for sharing with us your feelings with this young woman who could be your daughter or grand daughter even,

This area you're talking about is perfect to meet someone. Most are students and enjoy a coffee for 40 Baht.

And many of them are looking for a nice sugar daddy.

(Or she is looking for someone who will respect her just what she is)

If this role is ok for you enjoy the time with her.

It could be a time in heaven full of romance and joy.

But be aware you might be back to reality soon but still remember those special moments with her.

That there will be money involved is not an obstacle if you accept that.

I wish you a happy time with your dream.💗

2 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

14 hours ago, NanLaew said:

And the other guys are just lonely, sad and bitter.

You're saying the members here who have wives and girlfriends that aren't sex workers, or quasi sex workers, are all lonely, sad and bitter?

No I am not.

I was referring to members who believe that, "Many wives and girlfriends are quasi sex workers, earning money from their partners, many men pretend to themselves that's not so."

In particular, the suggestion that "many men pretend to themselves that's not so."

I am saying the members that are single and suggest that many married men are being dupes, are the ones that are "lonely, sad and bitter."

If you take much longer she will be introducing you to her gay friends.

14 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

No I am not.

I was referring to members who believe that, "Many wives and girlfriends are quasi sex workers, earning money from their partners, many men pretend to themselves that's not so."

In particular, the suggestion that "many men pretend to themselves that's not so."

I am saying the members that are single and suggest that many married men are being dupes, are the ones that are "lonely, sad and bitter."

That I agree with

On 6/3/2026 at 6:37 AM, scubascuba3 said:

Talk about slow mover, you can work out if someone likes you in minutes

They might like your wallet more after you think they like you in a few minutes. I think taking slower. it could be meaningful relationship.

If he not over 60 he should go further. He treating her decently and she knows that. Up to 25yearrs age gap enough, if you want more get a puppy.

If she was a bar girl type his wallet would be empty by now.

I mer my wife in the office of Home Pro where she worked 15 years ago. I was here for a month and a friend was buying large amount of goods. I glad I went with him.

33 minutes ago, Keeenok Powell said:

If you take much longer she will be introducing you to her gay friends.

Correction, her hot Dees.

14 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

When people lacked the ability, or eloquence to make a coherent argument while hidding behind dumbed-down one-liners that fell flat and never actual land, the next move was always the same: accuse whoever dismantled them of using "word salad"..... or "Wall of Text"....

Now they've updated the script. The new accusation is "AI"....

It never occurs to them that the problem might not be the person with whom they disagree. It might be their own inability to understand a well-constructed argument.

AI-sourced "discussion" or "opinion" on a forum sticks out like dogsballs.