Should the Death Penalty be Re- intoduced back for the most seriouse crimes. Yesterday's sentance of two men has brought this back into the limelight. Two gay men managed to adopt an toddler and within 4 Months the poor little boy was dead. The details of what these 2 Evil beasts did to this infant are to horrible for me to explain into detail lets just say he died from deliberatly loss of breathing either by hand clamped over his air passage or an abject forced into his mouth, he had over 40 injuries including sexual abuse. He was just 15 Months old when he died. Passing sentance the main beast Jaimie Varley and his gay lover John Mcgowen showed no emotion as sentances were handed down. Varley was sentanced to life indefinatly so will never be paroled his partner got 25 yrs. In a case like this these two should be given the lethal injection. However they will now have targets on there backs and as soon as its possible they will be killed in Prison.

You got my vote, Also Australia

Start with the sickest, PAEDOPHILES

We need to remove these animals from living in civilised societies

Edited June 19Jun 19 by SAFETY FIRST

If it’s Thailand, give them life and let them spend decades experiencing the realities of a Thai prison. If it’s the UK, where prisoners enjoy far greater rights and comforts, then I’d have fewer objections to reintroducing the death penalty for the worst offenders.

To all our American members and other lads n lasses on this forum please watch this Video fully to understand what these 2 Monsters did to this young Infant.

The death penalty is an emotive subject. People would assume that anyone who is given the death penalty really did it.

If you know the reason the death penalty was ended in the UK you will know that the person who actually shot a policeman in Croydon was not executed because he was a minor and walked free after a few years. Instead, his friend, who was on the scene but killed no one, was hung because he was not a minor.

In the USA making a mistake had never affected the death penalty.

George Spencer (c. 1600 – April 8, 1642) was the second person in history to be executed in Connecticut. He was charged with bestiality and the only evidence was a pig that people claimed was his child. It's impossible to have a child with an animal.

Tommy Lee Walker: Executed in Texas in 1956 for murder. Decades later, a court reviewing the case declared him innocent after discovering the state withheld crucial exculpatory evidence and coerced witnesses. George Stinney Jr.: Executed in South Carolina in 1944. At age 14, he was the youngest person executed in the U.S. in the 20th century. A judge vacated his conviction in 2014, ruling that his confession was coerced and his trial fundamentally flawed.Carlos DeLuna: Executed by lethal injection in Texas in 1989 for a convenience store murder. Exhaustive post-conviction investigations later revealed he was innocent and that a known local criminal, Carlos Hernandez, committed the murder.

Evans.William Jackson Marion: Executed by hanging in Nebraska in 1887. He was put to death for the murder of his friend John Cameron. Four years later, Cameron was discovered alive and well, having left town to avoid personal disputes.

Whatever someone says about justice, the killing of a person is wrong and mistakes happen.

Definitely should be reintroduced, I've always thought that, major reason is tax payer money shouldn't be used to keep these people alive.

Also criminals should pay for their prison stay and any costs they incur before then

26 minutes ago, Purdey said:

The death penalty is an emotive subject. People would assume that anyone who is given the death penalty really did it.

If you know the reason the death penalty was ended in the UK you will know that the person who actually shot a policeman in Croydon was not executed because he was a minor and walked free after a few years. Instead, his friend, who was on the scene but killed no one, was hung because he was not a minor.

In the USA making a mistake had never affected the death penalty.

George Spencer (c. 1600 – April 8, 1642) was the second person in history to be executed in Connecticut. He was charged with bestiality and the only evidence was a pig that people claimed was his child. It's impossible to have a child with an animal.

Tommy Lee Walker: Executed in Texas in 1956 for murder. Decades later, a court reviewing the case declared him innocent after discovering the state withheld crucial exculpatory evidence and coerced witnesses. George Stinney Jr.: Executed in South Carolina in 1944. At age 14, he was the youngest person executed in the U.S. in the 20th century. A judge vacated his conviction in 2014, ruling that his confession was coerced and his trial fundamentally flawed.Carlos DeLuna: Executed by lethal injection in Texas in 1989 for a convenience store murder. Exhaustive post-conviction investigations later revealed he was innocent and that a known local criminal, Carlos Hernandez, committed the murder.

Evans.William Jackson Marion: Executed by hanging in Nebraska in 1887. He was put to death for the murder of his friend John Cameron. Four years later, Cameron was discovered alive and well, having left town to avoid personal disputes.

Whatever someone says about justice, the killing of a person is wrong and mistakes happen.

Thats all well Purdey but forensics have moved along way from those days in certain cases like baby killers police killers who deliberatly intend to kill people should expect there life terminated. Just the last 3 cases here in the UK the convictions could not be denied the people who comitted these crimes did not make the Critria of any defense DNA placing the attacker at the scene cannot be refuted. If the murderer is 100% guilty then he should recieve the ultimate sentance. Luckily for us in the UK prisoners are only to happy to Execute monsters within the prison Community as Ian Huntley and Ian Watkins found out and were executed inside Prison.

Often, you will find that the real justice is handed out in prison, not by the courts. When it comes to rapists, child murderers/abusers, or other henious crimes etc., then you have to remember that even criminals have families and wives/girlfriends and they really don't like people jailed for such awful crimes. As for the death penalty, okay, can bring it back for the worst of the worst crimes... no big drama really for me.

49 minutes ago, Purdey said:

The death penalty is an emotive subject. People would assume that anyone who is given the death penalty really did it.

If you know the reason the death penalty was ended in the UK you will know that the person who actually shot a policeman in Croydon was not executed because he was a minor and walked free after a few years. Instead, his friend, who was on the scene but killed no one, was hung because he was not a minor.

In the USA making a mistake had never affected the death penalty.

George Spencer (c. 1600 – April 8, 1642) was the second person in history to be executed in Connecticut. He was charged with bestiality and the only evidence was a pig that people claimed was his child. It's impossible to have a child with an animal.

Tommy Lee Walker: Executed in Texas in 1956 for murder. Decades later, a court reviewing the case declared him innocent after discovering the state withheld crucial exculpatory evidence and coerced witnesses. George Stinney Jr.: Executed in South Carolina in 1944. At age 14, he was the youngest person executed in the U.S. in the 20th century. A judge vacated his conviction in 2014, ruling that his confession was coerced and his trial fundamentally flawed.Carlos DeLuna: Executed by lethal injection in Texas in 1989 for a convenience store murder. Exhaustive post-conviction investigations later revealed he was innocent and that a known local criminal, Carlos Hernandez, committed the murder.

Evans.William Jackson Marion: Executed by hanging in Nebraska in 1887. He was put to death for the murder of his friend John Cameron. Four years later, Cameron was discovered alive and well, having left town to avoid personal disputes.

Whatever someone says about justice, the killing of a person is wrong and mistakes happen.

Yeah, it's easy for people to be emotive over a crime such as the one in the OP. But you either have the death penalty or you don't.

1. There is always the risk that a verdict will be wrong. That should be reason enough not to have it.
2. People bring up the issue of the cost of prison. Cost should not enter the equation in a discussion on whether the state should have a right to kill. And in the grand scheme of things it is so insignificant as to be not even a consideration. And refer back to point number 1.

3. People need to ask themselves - away from the emotion of a crime - should the state have the right to put someone to death. For me that's an easy one - no.

58 minutes ago, Purdey said:

The death penalty is an emotive subject. People would assume that anyone who is given the death penalty really did it

Mate why complicate the subject, no one here is thinking like a Woke.

If without doubt, destroy these things, these creatures need to be wiped of the planet.

Gas, electric chair, whatever, I'll push the button.

Edited June 19Jun 19 by SAFETY FIRST

I'm not sure the death penalty is the answer. For people who are imprisoned for heinous crimes and without the posibility of parole, I think the death penalty is the equivalent of euthanasia and an easy way out. They should be locked up, have no access to electronic devices nor communication outside the prison, nor any of the "benefits" granted to other prisoners nowadays. It is supposed to be punishment. If they can't take/handle it then let them top themselves, but do not do it for them.

I know if I was locked up for life (not that I have done anything wrong), I would much rather be dead so would plead for the death penalty if I was too chicken to handle it myself.

No have to disagree im sure most of the parents who have had to identify there children in a Mortury would not like to see the person who took their kids life in a cell segregated for life. Why should the Tax payer have to pay for him or her for the rest of their life. To the one's on here who believe they should be locked up, sit across the Table and look into the eyes of the Monster who has took your childs life. Then tell us its justice.

Edited June 19Jun 19 by BarraMarra

1 hour ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Mate why complicate the subject, no one here is thinking like a Woke.

If without doubt, destroy these things, these creatures need to be wiped of the planet.

Gas, electric chair, whatever, I'll push the button.

Everyone executed is executed without a doubt. Why would someone get executed if there is a doubt? It is only afterwards that new evidence shows they were not guilty.

11 minutes ago, Purdey said:

Everyone executed is executed without a doubt. Why would someone get executed if there is a doubt? It is only afterwards that new evidence shows they were not guilty.

There are cases where the evidence is overwhelming and the accused pleading guilty....if the Death penalty was introduced it could possibly make some folk think twice before taking another persons life......

36 minutes ago, petermik said:

There are cases where the evidence is overwhelming and the accused pleading guilty..

If you could only be sentenced to death if you pleaded guilty, why would you so plead?

2 hours ago, petermik said:

There are cases where the evidence is overwhelming and the accused pleading guilty....if the Death penalty was introduced it could possibly make some folk think twice before taking another persons life......

Well the evidence clearly shows that the death penalty is no deterrent whatsoever.

3 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Well the evidence clearly shows that the death penalty is no deterrent whatsoever.

Ridiculous. What evidence?

8 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Ridiculous. What evidence?

How did murder rates - per capita - change after the UK abolished the death penalty? Or any other country that has abolished it. Did any go up?

How does Canada's murder rate - per capita - compare to that of the US? The US should be much lower because of the death penalty deterrent, right?

What are homicide rates like in the US in states that have it vs ones that don't?

In a two tier justice system , guess who's going to get the death penalty ?

Book of Exodus 21 : 23 -27 One of the commandants found in the bible.An Eye for an Eye or reciprocal justice measure for measure. If its good enough for the Bible its good enough for me.

59 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

How did murder rates - per capita - change after the UK abolished the death penalty? Or any other country that has abolished it. Did any go up?

How does Canada's murder rate - per capita - compare to that of the US? The US should be much lower because of the death penalty deterrent, right?

What are homicide rates like in the US in states that have it vs ones that don't?

So, you have not evidence, just more nonsense.

If speeding were punishable by death, would fewer people speed?

2 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

Book of Exodus 21 : 23 -27 One of the commandants found in the bible.An Eye for an Eye or reciprocal justice measure for measure. If its good enough for the Bible its good enough for me.

Ah yeah, if it was in a fairly tale it must be good.

Leviticus 19:19 forbids wearing clothing made of two different kinds of fabric. Good enough for you?

Forced marriage is fine too. Deuteronomy 21:10-14 outlines rules for capturing women during wartime and forcing them to become wives. Good enough for you?

Deuteronomy 21:18-21 commands that a stubborn, rebellious, or gluttonous son who refuses to obey his parents must be brought to the town elders and stoned to death. Good enough for you?

Exodus 31:15 states that anyone who does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death. Hope you've never done any work on a Sunday. Good enough for you?

You either take it all or you don't. Do you live by the Bible? Or you just like the bit that means you can kill people you don't like?

Never had an ex-bovver boy down as a church goer, you live and learn, good for you.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TuE2WTFR020

Amazing it took you a few post's to disrupt this thread well done onto the next thread .Mr R. Sole.

4 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Amazing it took you a few post's to disrupt this thread well done onto the next thread .Mr R. Sole.

Amazing that it took you a few posts to say something hypocritical that needed pointing out.

Was my earlier post on my thinking on the death penalty allowed? Was that also disruptive? Would be good to know the boundary, although I think it's only "disruptive" when I disagree with you. Got it.

The Bible, as you would know, urges you to forgive those who criticse, as Proverbs 13:18 says that whoever heeds correction is honoured. And - of course as you know - Colossians 3:13 tells believers to "Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone". It does not say to call the person an "R Sole" or tell them to "F.O.".

I think you need to attend more study groups.

Amen.

Edited June 19Jun 19 by josephbloggs

11 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

You got my vote, Also Australia

Start with the sickest, PAEDOPHILES

We need to remove these animals from living in civilised societies

When will society change so that the bottom feeders are dealt with properly.

Certain crimes make you forfeit your human card.

Its really that simple.

11 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

Should the Death Penalty be Re- intoduced back for the most seriouse crimes. Yesterday's sentance of two men has brought this back into the limelight. Two gay men managed to adopt an toddler and within 4 Months the poor little boy was dead. The details of what these 2 Evil beasts did to this infant are to horrible for me to explain into detail lets just say he died from deliberatly loss of breathing either by hand clamped over his air passage or an abject forced into his mouth, he had over 40 injuries including sexual abuse. He was just 15 Months old when he died. Passing sentance the main beast Jaimie Varley and his gay lover John Mcgowen showed no emotion as sentances were handed down. Varley was sentanced to life indefinatly so will never be paroled his partner got 25 yrs. In a case like this these two should be given the lethal injection. However they will now have targets on there backs and as soon as its possible they will be killed in Prison.

One problem I see with the death penalty is that it would only be applied to men, never mind how barbaric and premeditated the murder committed by a woman.

Another problem is bigots soon starting demanding the death penalty for non violent (or victimless) crime, like intergenerational sex or drug peddling.

1 hour ago, JackGats said:

One problem I see with the death penalty is that it would only be applied to men, never mind how barbaric and premeditated the murder committed by a woman.

Another problem is bigots soon starting demanding the death penalty for non violent (or victimless) crime, like intergenerational sex or drug peddling.

So meth and fentanyl don't cause any violence ? Hmmmm glad i learned something today.

9 hours ago, Purdey said:

Everyone executed is executed without a doubt. Why would someone get executed if there is a doubt? It is only afterwards that new evidence shows they were not guilty.

I assume English is not your first language.

The phrase "I have no doubt" means you are absolutely certain or completely convinced that something is true

3 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Amazing that it took you a few posts to say something hypocritical that needed pointing out.

Was my earlier post on my thinking on the death penalty allowed? Was that also disruptive? Would be good to know the boundary, although I think it's only "disruptive" when I disagree with you. Got it.

The Bible, as you would know, urges you to forgive those who criticse, as Proverbs 13:18 says that whoever heeds correction is honoured. And - of course as you know - Colossians 3:13 tells believers to "Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone". It does not say to call the person an "R Sole" or tell them to "F.O.".

I think you need to attend more study groups.

Amen.

You are a disruptive influence on the Forum with your Negativity on most post's you can't see it but all your doing is turning away new or older members who are fed up with you patronising members and spoiling threads with your negative comments. You never start a thread you just wait till its time to join in and disrupt it.

3 hours ago, JackGats said:

One problem I see with the death penalty is that it would only be applied to men, never mind how barbaric and premeditated the murder committed by a woman.

Another problem is bigots soon starting demanding the death penalty for non violent (or victimless) crime, like intergenerational sex or drug peddling.

No jackgets this thread is aimed at murder's who kill baby's after sexually assaulting them or others who try to decapitate people for no reason who's crimes cannot be tolerated in today's world, as for woman yes they kill but not heinous as the Monsters who show no emotion once convicted.

Edited June 19Jun 19 by BarraMarra