7 hours ago, JackGats said:

One problem I see with the death penalty is that it would only be applied to men, never mind how barbaric and premeditated the murder committed by a woman.

Another problem is bigots soon starting demanding the death penalty for non violent (or victimless) crime, like intergenerational sex or drug peddling.

Ruth Ellis disagrees

7 hours ago, JackGats said:

One problem I see with the death penalty is that it would only be applied to men, never mind how barbaric and premeditated the murder committed by a woman.

why would it only apply to men, ? it included women before

9 minutes ago, Dionigi said:

Ruth Ellis disagrees

and all those that went before her

11 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

How did murder rates - per capita - change after the UK abolished the death penalty? Or any other country that has abolished it. Did any go up?

How does Canada's murder rate - per capita - compare to that of the US? The US should be much lower because of the death penalty deterrent, right?

What are homicide rates like in the US in states that have it vs ones that don't?

You claimed: "Well the evidence clearly shows that the death penalty is no deterrent whatsoever.", which is clearly ridiculous.

You were asked what evidence, you were not able to produce any evidence, you just spew more nonsense.

If speeding were punishable by death, would fewer people speed?

16 hours ago, Sir Dude said:

Often, you will find that the real justice is handed out in prison, not by the courts. When it comes to rapists, child murderers/abusers, or other henious crimes etc., then you have to remember that even criminals have families and wives/girlfriends and they really don't like people jailed for such awful crimes. As for the death penalty, okay, can bring it back for the worst of the worst crimes... no big drama really for me.

I don't agree with that.

However horrific someone's crime may be, criminals shouldn't become judge, jury, and executioner inside prison. Justice should be administered by the courts through due process, not through violence or intimidation by other inmates.

If society believes the law should impose harsher penalties for the most serious offences, that's a debate to have through the legal system and democratic process.

But allowing prisoners to decide who deserves punishment undermines the rule of law and creates a system where violence, rather than justice, determines outcomes.

Once we accept vigilante justice in prison, we abandon the principle that everyone is entitled to legal protection, regardless of their crime.

If life in prison is worse than the death penalty, than why does most every murderer fight tooth and nail to avoid execution?

And why are so many organizations devoted to stopping executions?

The same people that argue life in prison is worse than the death penalty, all try to ""save everyone from being executed.

Is that not hilarious?

5 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

I don't agree with that.

However horrific someone's crime may be, criminals shouldn't become judge, jury, and executioner inside prison. Justice should be administered by the courts through due process, not through violence or intimidation by other inmates.

If society believes the law should impose harsher penalties for the most serious offences, that's a debate to have through the legal system and democratic process.

But allowing prisoners to decide who deserves punishment undermines the rule of law and creates a system where violence, rather than justice, determines outcomes.

Once we accept vigilante justice in prison, we abandon the principle that everyone is entitled to legal protection, regardless of their crime.

I don't think it's about accepting that prison violence, but more that it's going to happen, unless you keep those types segregated permanently. Many prisoners are in for life, and adding another killing means little to nothing to them, and they know they'll be looked at as heroes.

As far as the OP, the death penalty surely deters some from killing, but many have their minds made up and couldn't care less, with some looking at dying themselves, either by cop suicide or the death penalty punishments themselves.

Eileen Wuornos was executed in Florida for killing several men, some of who raped and tortured her. She couldn't stop after starting her behavior. The first one probably deserved to be shot, but others were only looking for sex from a prostitute, and she admitted they didn't hurt her. She was hurt as a child and likely took that anger out when someone mirrored that behavior.

It's said it's only God's to judge, but many would like to see justice served immediately, especially when a child is involved, and more so when something like this happens. When people think of doing these sort of crimes, the death penalty is likely not even on their minds, seeking a sick thrill, taking their anger out on an innocent as it likely happened to them as children also.

Why let these kinds live and have tax payers pay for their incarceration? Like some said, it's not ours to deliver justice but the courts, although the courts have proven countless times to be dead wrong. Crimes like this I think deserve immediate justice, as long as it's proven beyond any doubt.

Edited June 20Jun 20 by fredwiggy

The socialist weak governments in Europe would never allow it.

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I don't think it's about accepting that prison violence, but more that it's going to happen, unless you keep those types segregated permanently. Many prisoners are in for life, and adding another killing means little to nothing to them, and they know they'll be looked at as heroes.

As far as the OP, the death penalty surely deters some from killing, but many have their minds made up and couldn't care less, with some looking at dying themselves, either by cop suicide or the death penalty punishments themselves.

Eileen Wuornos was executed in Florida for killing several men, some of who raped and tortured her. She couldn't stop after starting her behavior. The first one probably deserved to be shot, but others were only looking for sex from a prostitute, and she admitted they didn't hurt her. She was hurt as a child and likely took that anger out when someone mirrored that behavior.

It's said it's only God's to judge, but many would like to see justice served immediately, especially when a child is involved, and more so when something like this happens. When people think of doing these sort of crimes, the death penalty is likely not even on their minds, seeking a sick thrill, taking their anger out on an innocent as it likely happened to them as children also.

Why let these kinds live and have tax payers pay for their incarceration? Like some said, it's not our to deliver justice but the courts, although the courts have proven countless times to be dead wrong. Crimes like this I think deserve immediate justice, as long as it's proven beyond any doubt.

I don't disagree that prison violence is a reality, but there's a difference between acknowledging it and accepting it as justice. Criminals don't get to decide who deserves to live or die. If we believe someone deserves the ultimate punishment, that decision belongs to the courts under the law, not to other inmates acting as executioners.

19 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

You got my vote, Also Australia

Start with the sickest, PAEDOPHILES

We need to remove these animals from living in civilised societies

Animals don't do things like that. They are more civilized than humans.

4 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

I don't disagree that prison violence is a reality, but there's a difference between acknowledging it and accepting it as justice. Criminals don't get to decide who deserves to live or die. If we believe someone deserves the ultimate punishment, that decision belongs to the courts under the law, not to other inmates acting as executioners.

True, but it will continue to happen, as those prisoners have nothing really to lose, and think they're doing a service the court didn't. Many people think they're heroes, especially those with children, thinking they wouldn't want to see their own children victimized by these monsters, and that ridding the world of them is the only alternative. Paying for them to have 3 hots and a cot instead of seeing them off the earth.

The courts are the problem many times. Lenient or outright stupid judges, lawyers who could get Hitler off, juries who are hung, criminals that have been let free by same only to kill once they're out. People have gotten 5 years for killing someone and 20 for weed busts, years for stealing while others who rape get off in less than 2. The laws don't always work, although they are necessary.

11 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

So, you have not evidence, just more nonsense.

If speeding were punishable by death, would fewer people speed?

12 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Ridiculous. What evidence?

Mississippi has the highest murder rate in the US and has the death penalty. New Hampshire has the lowest murder rate in the US and does not have the death penalty.

1 minute ago, Tom89 said:

Mississippi has the highest murder rate in the US and has the death penalty. New Hampshire has the lowest murder rate in the US and does not have the death penalty.

And what has that got to do with relation to these two sadistic murderers of an innocent child in the UK?

28 minutes ago, Deerculler said:

hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

You got my vote, Also Australia

Start with the sickest, PAEDOPHILES

We need to remove these animals from living in civilised societies

Animals don't do things like that. They are more civilized than humans

Animals engage in sexual behaviors with the very young, though it functions differently depending on the species and the context.

In species like bonobos, non-reproductive sexual behavior is highly common across all age groups. Observations show that adults and even infants frequently engage in sexual behaviors, such as genital rubbing or copulatory postures. This is often initiated by the younger animals and is used to reinforce social bonds, resolve conflicts, or ease group tension.

Biological Drive vs. Maturity: In many species, mature males will attempt to mate with any available female in the vicinity that shows signs of being fertile, regardless of whether she is on the younger side of reproductive age.

Lack of Moral Framework: Unlike humans, animals operate purely on biological instinct and lack a moral framework dictating age-of-consent. Because of this, when animals go into "heat" or a mating cycle, they are driven to reproduce with any viable sexual partner they encounter.

Edited June 20Jun 20 by SAFETY FIRST

1 minute ago, Tom89 said:

Mississippi has the highest murder rate in the US and has the death penalty. New Hampshire has the lowest murder rate in the US and does not have the death penalty.

What does that prove?

Mississippi has the highest percentage of blacks in the country, and New Hampshire has almost the highest percentage of whites. Does that prove anything? No, it does not.

I think Singapore and Japan have the lowest murder rates in the world, and both have the death penalty. Does that prove anything? It does not.

The issue is whether or not the death penalty is a deterrent.

Again, a simple question: If speeding were punishable by death, would fewer people speed?

For the murder of children like this I would vote for it. Also for terrorism especially when caught in the act.

24 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

What does that prove?

Mississippi has the highest percentage of blacks in the country, and New Hampshire has almost the highest percentage of whites. Does that prove anything? No, it does not.

I think Singapore and Japan have the lowest murder rates in the world, and both have the death penalty. Does that prove anything? It does not.

The issue is whether or not the death penalty is a deterrent.

Again, a simple question: If speeding were punishable by death, would fewer people speed?

This is the Inconsistency Paradox, which concludes that severe punishments do not significantly reduce crime rates beyond what moderate prison sentences achieve. The threat of execution fails to deter because most people speed impulsively or subconsciously, never believing they will be the ones subjected to the ultimate penalty.

18 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

Thats all well Purdey but forensics have moved along way from those days in certain cases like baby killers police killers who deliberatly intend to kill people should expect there life terminated. Just the last 3 cases here in the UK the convictions could not be denied the people who comitted these crimes did not make the Critria of any defense DNA placing the attacker at the scene cannot be refuted. If the murderer is 100% guilty then he should recieve the ultimate sentance. Luckily for us in the UK prisoners are only to happy to Execute monsters within the prison Community as Ian Huntley and Ian Watkins found out and were executed inside Prison.

Forensic investigations are not error free. Many cases have been screwed up because the pathologists were incompetent. For example, in the UK, Mrs. Sally Clark was jailed for life in 1999 for killing two of her sons, Christopher and Harry, but had her conviction quashed by the Court of Appeal in 2003 after spending more than three years in prison. The pathologist, Dr Williams, was deemed incompetent. Police, lawyers, and expert witnesses in the case were unaware of the results of microbiology and biochemistry tests on Harry until they were discovered in hospital records after Mrs Clark lost her first appeal against her convictions. The Medical Review Council review panel found that Dr Williams had been incompetent in doing the postmortem examination on Christopher, in attributing his death to a lung infection and failing to discuss the possible importance of bruises and a torn frenulum, which raised the possibility of unnatural death. The cause of death should have been put as “unascertained,” the panel said. The pathologist was also found to have been incompetent in several respects in performing the postmortem examination on Harry and to have failed in his duty as an expert witness. Delivering the GMC's verdict, the chairman, Peter Richards, said, “Whatever your own views, even if reasonable, you had a responsibility as an experienced forensic pathologist to consider whether test results might need to be openly discussed, before being discounted, in order to prevent any risk of a miscarriage of justice.” BMJ. 2005 Jun 11;330(7504):1347. doi:10.1136/bmj.330.7504.1347

The US has had its share of incompetence. Two of the more prominent cases were the Chief Medical Examiner in El Paso County, Texas, who was fired after misrepresenting his credentials on his resume and providing scientifically unsupported testimony in an Ohio death penalty case. Delaware's Chief Medical Examiner was dismissed and criminally investigated following an audit that revealed mishandled evidence, unauthorized side jobs, and severe management gaps.

Canada had Dr. Smith, who necessitated the Goudge Inquiry after reviews revealed that Dr. Smith a highly trusted pediatric forensic pathologist, had made serious errors and provided flawed, unscientific testimony in dozens of criminally suspicious child death cases between 1991 and 2001. These mistakes resulted in at least 13 wrongful criminal convictions, tearing apart innocent families.

19 hours ago, Purdey said:

The death penalty is an emotive subject. People would assume that anyone who is given the death penalty really did it.

If you know the reason the death penalty was ended in the UK you will know that the person who actually shot a policeman in Croydon was not executed because he was a minor and walked free after a few years. Instead, his friend, who was on the scene but killed no one, was hung because he was not a minor.

In the USA making a mistake had never affected the death penalty.

George Spencer (c. 1600 – April 8, 1642) was the second person in history to be executed in Connecticut. He was charged with bestiality and the only evidence was a pig that people claimed was his child. It's impossible to have a child with an animal.

Tommy Lee Walker: Executed in Texas in 1956 for murder. Decades later, a court reviewing the case declared him innocent after discovering the state withheld crucial exculpatory evidence and coerced witnesses. George Stinney Jr.: Executed in South Carolina in 1944. At age 14, he was the youngest person executed in the U.S. in the 20th century. A judge vacated his conviction in 2014, ruling that his confession was coerced and his trial fundamentally flawed.Carlos DeLuna: Executed by lethal injection in Texas in 1989 for a convenience store murder. Exhaustive post-conviction investigations later revealed he was innocent and that a known local criminal, Carlos Hernandez, committed the murder.

Evans.William Jackson Marion: Executed by hanging in Nebraska in 1887. He was put to death for the murder of his friend John Cameron. Four years later, Cameron was discovered alive and well, having left town to avoid personal disputes.

Whatever someone says about justice, the killing of a person is wrong and mistakes happen.

A plentitude of erroneous deaths.

A plentitude of executions in the last two centuries.

Time & science & moved especially in the areas of molew genetics.

This should at least invoke a review of the current situation.

These two animals are dead to rights. As you say they'll reap their rewards in the prison showers.

Been reading the latest post's and some are not understanding why I started this thread. What I am suggesting is the Death Penalty for the worst offenders who Don't even defend what they did. Examples like Axel Rudakubana, Ian Huntley, Lee Rigby's killer Michael Adebowale, Salman Abedi, Manchester Arena Bomber, any child killers, Monsters like this. People who go out for a night out get into a bit of a scuffle and someone gets punched and dies is an accidental death and the attacker cannot be called a murderer and i would not expect this to be a death penalty offence. As for Monsters killed inside prison most murder's serve there sentance are released some only doing 10 yrs for good behaviour. In prison there is a code even by Evil men, but one thing they will not tolerate is child killers because of they see it as ultimate justice not served in a Court on the Monster who deserve the ultimate punishment. In short i believe the DP should be administred to only the most notorious Monsters.

Edited June 20Jun 20 by BarraMarra

3 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Been reading the latest post's and some are not understanding why I started this thread. What I am suggesting is the Death Penalty for the worst offenders who Don't even defend what they did. Examples like Axel Rudakubana, Ian Huntley, Lee Rigby's killer Michael Adebowale, Salman Abedi, Manchester Arena Bomber, any child killers, Monsters like this. As for Monsters killed inside prison most murder's serve there sentance and are released some only doing 10 yrs for good behaviour. In prison there is a code even by Evil men, but one thing they will not tolerate is child killers because of they see it as ultimate justice is not served on the Monster who deserve the ultimate punishment. In short i believe the DP should be administred to only the most notorious Monsters.

I am opposed the death penalty, but the idea that it is not a deterrent is ridiculous.

Troll posts removed. @Yellowtail just posting the same question over and over, is just baiting, if you have nothing new to say then don’t post.

23 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

Should the Death Penalty be Re- intoduced back for the most seriouse crimes. Yesterday's sentance of two men has brought this back into the limelight. Two gay men managed to adopt an toddler and within 4 Months the poor little boy was dead. The details of what these 2 Evil beasts did to this infant are to horrible for me to explain into detail lets just say he died from deliberatly loss of breathing either by hand clamped over his air passage or an abject forced into his mouth, he had over 40 injuries including sexual abuse. He was just 15 Months old when he died. Passing sentance the main beast Jaimie Varley and his gay lover John Mcgowen showed no emotion as sentances were handed down. Varley was sentanced to life indefinatly so will never be paroled his partner got 25 yrs. In a case like this these two should be given the lethal injection. However they will now have targets on there backs and as soon as its possible they will be killed in Prison.

As any reasonably educated person knows, imposing the death penalty has absolutely no deterrent effect on criminals. So, if you're honest, what is your point...? Satisfying your need for revenge or a longing for vigilante justice?

A monster can never Rape a baby and abuse it till its killed. Once final judgement as deemed in the bible is served ujay. What do you think would happen if a monster was left in a room with a grieving family ? do you accept they would say see you in the Dock, or would they dish out there own justice.

23 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

................. However they will now have targets on there backs and as soon as its possible they will be killed in Prison.

I disagree with the death penalty as there have so many miscarriages of justice in the UK where innocent people are fitted up and have either have been hung (the pardon after their death a real comfort I'm sure) or after years of wrongful imprisonment have been released - not dead. And a story I heard was that Ian Brady begged for some form of execution and was even force-fed to keep him alive - hopefully the pain and misery tortured him right to the end - which is fitting

Miscarriages of Justice are hardly seen nowadays with forensics DNA etc. I will repeat again someone that accidentally kills someone if there slapped and falls to the ground and sadly die are not killed by a Monster. l'm talking about a person who walks into a Concert Venue full of mostly teens and kids and detonates a bomb killing as many as he can, or a person or persons that have a duty of care to an infant then sexually abuse that child and murders him. Thats the difference.

In a civilized country, officials who carry out death sentences should be prosecuted for murder.

On 6/19/2026 at 1:54 PM, BarraMarra said:

Should the Death Penalty be Re- intoduced back for the most seriouse crimes. Yesterday's sentance of two men has brought this back into the limelight. Two gay men managed to adopt an toddler and within 4 Months the poor little boy was dead. The details of what these 2 Evil beasts did to this infant are to horrible for me to explain into detail lets just say he died from deliberatly loss of breathing either by hand clamped over his air passage or an abject forced into his mouth, he had over 40 injuries including sexual abuse. He was just 15 Months old when he died. Passing sentance the main beast Jaimie Varley and his gay lover John Mcgowen showed no emotion as sentances were handed down. Varley was sentanced to life indefinatly so will never be paroled his partner got 25 yrs. In a case like this these two should be given the lethal injection. However they will now have targets on there backs and as soon as its possible they will be killed in Prison.

Sadly, and I appreciate peoples sentiments, this will never be re-introduced in the UK. Reference Wikipedia.

Capital punishment in the United Kingdom predates the formation of the UK, having been used in Britain and Ireland from ancient times until the second half of the 20th century. The last executions in the United Kingdom were by hanging, (not lethal injection) and took place in 1964; capital punishment for murder was suspended in 1965 and finally abolished in 1969 (1973 in Northern Ireland). Although unused, the death penalty remained a legally defined punishment for certain offences such as treason until it was completely abolished in 1998; the last person to be executed for treason was William Joyce, in 1946.

In 2004, Protocol No. 13 to the European Convention on Human Rights became binding on the United Kingdom; it prohibits the restoration of the death penalty as long as the UK is a party to the convention (regardless of the UK's status in relation to the European Union)

As a former UK Police Forensic Scientist, I can assure you their lives in prison WII BE HELL!

You will also know Cons have a Code in Prison Bill. Even Cons have a line. Cross that line Bill and you will be aware of why Justice is dished out inside Prison.

13 hours ago, blaze master said:

So meth and fentanyl don't cause any violence ? Hmmmm glad i learned something today.

Your statement kind of illustrates my point.