Speaking of views.

The whole idea of the creation of Israel and it´s right to exist as a Jewish country is based on the idea that 3000 years ago Jews owned the land and that´s why they somehow have the right to own it now, right?

Despite there is not a single law backing that, but for the sake of the argument, let´s pretend that right is valid.

My neighbor is Egyptian and his ancestors owned Jewish slaves, so according to your law he has the right to claim ownership, right?

Any volunteers?

Edited July 31Jul 31 by Somjot

On 7/7/2026 at 11:17 PM, Evil Penevil said:

The world wouldn't notice the disappearance of roughly six million Palestinians living in the State of Palestine.

you didn't proof read your post did you...you just acknowledged and accepted the truth about the State of Palestine

On 7/9/2026 at 12:53 AM, Evil Penevil said:

Neither. It was simply quicker to write "State of Palestine" than "Palestinian territories on the West Bank" or something similar. I was using it as a geographic descriptor rather than a political acknowledgement.

You seem to think the Zionist movement is monolithic in its ideology. It isn't and never has been since its earliest days. Some Zionists favor a two-state solution, others oppose it strongly. The Jewish Agency for Palestine, the operative arm of the World Zionist Organization, not only accepted the U.N. partition plan in 1947, but had in 1946 proposed its own two-state plan. A Palestinian state alongside Israel had been the basis of the Oslo Accords, but the Accords failed due to Palestinian intransigence.

hummm, chicken out???

2 hours ago, Mavideol said:

you didn't proof read your post did you...you just acknowledged and accepted the truth about the State of Palestine

Proofreading had nothing to do with my comment. I didn't acknowledge or accept anything. I was writing hypothetically to make a point.

2 hours ago, Mavideol said:

hummm, chicken out???

Chicken out of what???

2 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

Proofreading had nothing to do with my comment. I didn't acknowledge or accept anything. I was writing hypothetically to make a point.

Chicken out of what???

of your original post/comment

8 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

of your original post/comment

No, I didn't. In a lame attempt at trolling, you gave it an odd interpretation. That's all.

18 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

No, I didn't. In a lame attempt at trolling, you gave it an odd interpretation. That's all.

if you say so.... I do understand it's difficult to walk back on your statement, but keep trying

On 7/7/2026 at 11:09 PM, Evil Penevil said:

The world noticed the disappearance of six million Jews during WW2.

Today it would notice the disappearance of over 220 Jews who have won the Nobel Prize, as well as such individuals as Steven Spielberg, Bob Dylan, Bernie Sanders, the Rothschild family, Chuck Schumer, Adam Schiff, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Claudia Sheinbaum, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, Stan Lee, Natalie Portman, Scarlett Johansson, Timothée Chalamet, Jack Black, Sam Altman, Doug Emhoff and numerous others.

The U.S. would definitely notice the disappearance of :

• Larry Page – $257 Billion (Alphabet/Google)

• Sergey Brin – $237 Billion (Alphabet/Google)

• Mark Zuckerberg – $222 Billion (Meta)

• Larry Ellison – $190 Billion (Oracle)

• Steve Ballmer – $178 Billion (Microsoft)

• Michael Dell – $164 Billion (Dell Technologies)

• Michael Bloomberg – $104 Billion (Bloomberg LP)

• Miriam Adelson & family – $30+ Billion (Las Vegas Sands)

• Stephen Schwarzman – $50 Billion (Blackstone)

• Len Blavatnik – $30 Billion (Access Industries / Warner Music Group)

Interesting list you have there:

none of them is a Holocaust survivor or the offspring of Holocaust survivors.

Except a few, Miriam Adelson, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, Chuck Schumer, Michael Bloomberg, Stephen Schwarzman & Len Blavatnik, all the others you named do not identify as Zionist, most of them are for two state solution and some are even very critical of the Israeli state and its actions in Gaza.

Speaking of those Nobel Prize winners you mentioned, the most famous of them, Albert Einstein supported a cultural Jewish homeland in Palestine, but he opposed the creation of a separate, exclusive Jewish nation-state, feared narrow nationalism, and later declined an offer to serve as Israel's second president.

On 7/7/2026 at 11:17 PM, Evil Penevil said:

The world wouldn't notice the disappearance of roughly six million Palestinians living in the State of Palestine.

I don't know if you have noticed but the world is very much aware of the more than 70.000 Palestinians Israel has massacred. Not to mention all the murdered people in the other countries Israel recently attacked.

Victim card expired.

5 hours ago, Somjot said:

I don't know if you have noticed but the world is very much aware of the more than 70.000 Palestinians Israel has massacred. Not to mention all the murdered people in the other countries Israel recently attacked

the world accepts what its masters have to do. sometimes the boss must take definitive action

On 7/31/2026 at 1:27 AM, Somjot said:

Speaking of views.

The whole idea of the creation of Israel and it´s right to exist as a Jewish country is based on the idea that 3000 years ago Jews owned the land and that´s why they somehow have the right to own it now, right?

No. The historical ties between Jews and the territory Israel now occupies are NOT the primary reason behind the creation of the state of Israel. The real reason was the need for a Jewish-majority homeland to guarantee the survival of the Jewish people. WIth a homeland, Jews would have true self-determination for the first time in over 2,000 years as well as freedom from persecution.

Historical and scriptural connections to the land are important to religious Jews. but Israel as a haven was the most significant factor for both the political Zionists and the governments of countries that backed Israel's creation. The Holocaust had been a terrible lesson about what happened- and could happen again- in a world without a haven for Jews.

International agreements and diplomacy had a lot to do with Israel's founding. The Balfour Declaration; the San Remo Conference; the League of Nations' Mandate for Palestine; British control of Mandatory Palestine; the United Nations' partition plan and its rejection by the Arab League all helped set the stage for the Israeli Declaration of Independence.

Most importantly, Jews were able to defend Israel through force of arms. The ability of the IDF to defend Israel's borders militarily has kept the Jewish homeland free since 1948.

On 7/31/2026 at 1:27 AM, Somjot said:

My neighbor is Egyptian and his ancestors owned Jewish slaves, so according to your law he has the right to claim ownership, right?

That's an absurd comparison. Slavery is outlawed everywhere in the world today. No one has the right to own a slave, whatever happened three thousand years ago.

The ancient Philistines were infamous for sacrificing infants to the god Moloch.

Does that give Hamas the right to murder children today? That's a rhetorical question and the answer is a resounding NO!

33 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

No. The historical ties between Jews and the territory Israel now occupies are NOT the primary reason behind the creation of the state of Israel. The real reason was the need for a Jewish-majority homeland to guarantee the survival of the Jewish people. WIth a homeland, Jews would have true self-determination for the first time in over 2,000 years as well as freedom from persecution.

Historical and scriptural connections to the land are important to religious Jews. but Israel as a haven was the most significant factor for both the political Zionists and the governments of countries that backed Israel's creation. The Holocaust had been a terrible lesson about what happened- and could happen again- in a world without a haven for Jews.

International agreements and diplomacy had a lot to do with Israel's founding. The Balfour Declaration; the San Remo Conference; the League of Nations' Mandate for Palestine; British control of Mandatory Palestine; the United Nations' partition plan and its rejection by the Arab League all helped set the stage for the Israeli Declaration of Independence.

Most importantly, Jews were able to defend Israel through force of arms. The ability of the IDF to defend Israel's borders militarily has kept the Jewish homeland free since 1948.

That's an absurd comparison. Slavery is outlawed everywhere in the world today. No one has the right to own a slave, whatever happened three thousand years ago.

The ancient Philistines were infamous for sacrificing infants to the god Moloch.

Does that give Hamas the right to murder children today? That's a rhetorical question and the answer is a resounding NO!

Does any of that give Israel the right to commit genocide and ethnic cleansing?

This is no secret that these pages are filled with downright bigots, haters and anti-Semite, ( oh yeah, and Palestinian lovers) but they are in good company as it seems that in many parts of the world the same sentiments of loathing and hates prevail, and who to take those frustrations on if not those bad jews? the very same jews the world have been trying to destroy and eliminate for thousands of years, and guess what, they're still here, bigger and stronger than ever,

while other countries and ethnicities of haters will one day disappear, Jews and Israel will still be around, and for EVER!

27 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Does any of that give Israel the right to commit genocide and ethnic cleansing?

Israel commits neither genocide nor ethnic cleansing, so it's a moot question.

Just now, Evil Penevil said:

Israel commits neither genocide nor ethnic cleansing, so it's a moot question.

Opinions differ.

Members of this forum openly call for the expulsion of Palestinians from Gaza and the West Bank, members of the Israeli Government openly call for much worse.

The accusation of Israel committing genocide and ethnic cleansing is neither a question nor a nor moot.

12 minutes ago, ezzra said:

This is no secret that these pages are filled with downright bigots, haters and anti-Semite, ( oh yeah, and Palestinian lovers) but they are in good company as it seems that in many parts of the world the same sentiments of loathing and hates prevail, and who to take those frustrations on if not those bad jews? the very same jews the world have been trying to destroy and eliminate for thousands of years, and guess what, they're still here, bigger and stronger than ever,

while other countries and ethnicities of haters will one day disappear, Jews and Israel will still be around, and for EVER!

I’m not going to waste time re-reading this whole thread, but I’m pretty sure it’s only the defenders of Israel’s genocide and ethnic cleansing that inserting ‘’Jews” into criticism of “Israel”.

The antisemite slur is getting a bit worn out but then your go to argument is DARVO.

10 hours ago, Yagoda said:

the world accepts what its masters have to do. sometimes the boss must take definitive action

No, the World does not accept Israel's action in Gaza.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Support for Israel’s military action in Gaza has declined substantially among U.S. adults, with only about one-third approving, according to a new Gallup poll — a drop from the beginning of the war with Hamas, when about half of Americans approved of Israel’s operation.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-military-gaza-netanyahu-trump-poll-dc79937460ed55e9a020acba652eba4b

1. A YouGov EuroTrack survey covering UK, Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Denmark found only 6%–16% agreed Israel was right to send troops into Gaza and responded proportionately; the UK was ~12%. yougov.com

2. In the same survey, “right to respond but gone too far” was ~29%–40%, and in the UK ~18% said Israel was right to respond but went too far. yougov.com

Australia (views of Israel overall)

In Pew’s Spring 2026 Global Attitudes Survey, Australia is one of the countries where unfavorable views of Israel are extremely common (the article presents a country table and notes a median of 67% unfavorable across 36 countries). Pew Research Center

New Zealand (views of Israel overall)

The same Pew Spring 2026 report covers both Australia and New Zealand as part of the 36-country survey and similarly finds majorities with unfavorable views of Israel in most countries surveyed. Pew Research Center

50 minutes ago, ezzra said:

This is no secret that these pages are filled with downright bigots, haters and anti-Semite, ( oh yeah, and Palestinian lovers) but they are in good company as it seems that in many parts of the world the same sentiments of loathing and hates prevail, and who to take those frustrations on if not those bad jews? the very same jews the world have been trying to destroy and eliminate for thousands of years, and guess what, they're still here, bigger and stronger than ever,

while other countries and ethnicities of haters will one day disappear, Jews and Israel will still be around, and for EVER!

Hopefully Jews will be around for ever, sadly Israel, no matter how strong they think they are, are conducting themselves in a way that is an abomination to the rest of the World, no matter what you say.

4 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Hopefully Jews will be around for ever, sadly Israel, no matter how strong they think they are, are conducting themselves in a way that is an abomination to the rest of the World, no matter what you say.

Its just the vociferous Muslims and Anti Semites and Lefties that oppose Israel .

Your side just shouts the loudest and gets publicity through violence and temper tantrums .

I doubt you will win the battle

12 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Hopefully Jews will be around for ever

provides you with an enemy to give your life meaning

10 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

provides you with an enemy to give your life meaning

Yes, they are just looking for a cause to latch onto and belong to .

Weak cowardly people choose a popular cause and wave their flags around shouting slogans .

Like the "rebels" back in schooldays , they all "rebel" by all saying the same thing and all wearing the same clothes and all having the same haircut.............but, they are individuals :)

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

Yes, they are just looking for a cause to latch onto and belong to .

Weak cowardly people choose a popular cause and wave their flags around shouting slogans .

Like the "rebels" back in schooldays , they all "rebel" by all saying the same thing and all wearing the same clothes and all having the same haircut.............but, they are individuals :)

Wow, you went to school, who'd of thought, lol'

The author calls himself Adolf ❓

The author’s choice to call himself Adolf provokes discomfort, forcing readers to confront history, identity, and intention, while questioning whether shock value can overshadow meaning. 😂

20 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

provides you with an enemy to give your life meaning

If only you knew.

6 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Wow, you went to school, who'd of thought, lol'

Though I did finish with better career than cooking food , Mr Chef :)

Cooking food : Long hours bad pay , not for me

9 minutes ago, SiSePuede419 said:

The author calls himself Adolf ❓

The author’s choice to call himself Adolf provokes discomfort, forcing readers to confront history, identity, and intention, while questioning whether shock value can overshadow meaning. 😂

You do side with the Neo Nazi poster Adolf

You share his views

Up next Putin is a very nice man and just a bit misunderstood.

1 hour ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Hopefully Jews will be around for ever, sadly Israel, no matter how strong they think they are, are conducting themselves in a way that is an abomination to the rest of the World, no matter what you say.

There isn't a force in this sheety world that is powerful enough to eliminate the state of Israel, not with its resiliency and the ability to fight all enemies, and no country would want to take the chance and to be on the receiving end with the weapons of Armageddon that Israel possess and will use, if you know what I mean.

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wrong word

57 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

You do side with the Neo Nazi poster Adolf

You share his views

I strongly oppose Netanyahu’s military policies and their impact on civilians.

I believe his leadership has contributed to disproportionate harm to children in Gaza.

You do side with the Neo Neo Nazi Netanyahu

You share his views 🤗

48 minutes ago, ezzra said:

There isn't a force in this sheety world that is powerful enough to eliminate the state of Israel

The reputation of Israel is already ruined. Not just because Israel has become haven for Russian mafia oligarchs, and itself a purveyor of mafia crime, drugs and other criminal activity. That's more of an aficionado insight that's not trickled down yet. But because the criminality of the Israel "defense" force, which has killed 21000 children in recent past, is now undeniable, because indeed the genocide of the Israelis in Palestine is clear to everyone, and will be officially recognised as such by the ICJ in about 2028/29.

Now, your comfortable support for this vile, criminal Frankenstein state of Israel may rest on its "weapons of armageddon" as you rightly call them. However, you forget one thing, all these weapons Israel has were given to it by France, the USA, Germany etc, and they are all the result of the economic extraction of wealth Israelis and their supporters have been able to carry out in the last decades. However, the Larry Ellisons and Bronfmans of this world may themselves turn away from this vile genocidal state that Israel has become, once support of Israel becomes so untenable that no right thinking person would support this genocidal state.

Already Israel cannot extract the same billions from Germany anymore, that it has in the past few decades. Yes, sure Elllison and co are still paying up, but for how long? When Israelis are truly shunned by all right thinking people, as will no doubt happen after the ICJ will conclude that Israel is committing genocide what will happen? Well, we have a precedent, South Africa. Remember how South Africa imploded once the Apartheid disgust of the world became universal? Soon the world's disgust of Israel's apartheid will become universal. Eventually Americans, Germans, French, British, will all see through Israel and prohibit supporting this vile criminal genocidal state. Let's see what happens then.

1 hour ago, ezzra said:

There isn't a force in this sheety world that is powerful enough to eliminate the state of Israel, not with its resiliency and the ability to fight all enemies, and no country would want to take the chance and to be on the receiving end with the weapons of Armageddon that Israel possess and will use, if you know what I mean.

There is actually, it’s called economics.

Israel is not an economically self sustaining state.

Take it off the US tit it sucks on and it’ll collapse.