6 minutes ago, goatfarmer said:

"Their land?" That is an assumption. Palestinians in the West Bank have never had sovereignty and probably never will.

I would assume that the Palestinians had land titles of some sort under the Ottoman's and later during the British Mandate.

If you can prove that wrong, I'll stand corrected.

1 minute ago, spidermike007 said:

Wow. Just wow. It's very difficult to have a debate with somebody who is okay with tens of thousands of women and children being slaughtered in a completely disproportionate response to the October 7 attacks.

Leveling Gaza to the ground is okay with you? Displacing a million people is okay with you? Making an effort to eliminate the Palestinian population entirely is okay with you? Multiple factions in Israel have publicly admitted that that's what their goal is and you seem to condone that.

I guess go ahead and believe what you want but please don't ever call yourself a humanitarian or somebody that possesses goodwill toward mankind.

And it is impossible to talk to someone who argues from emotion, exaggerates, and presumes intent from random statements.

I'm not interested in arbitrary standards of "humanitarian goodwill to mankind". I am only concerned with the law as it stands and there is nothing that Israel is doing that contravenes those standards.

3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

This is a concept known as blowback, they belong to a nationality that's extremely unpopular these days and there are ramifications. When you come from a nation where the majority of the population serves in the army and commits atrocities against a defenseless civilian population including women and children, there's bound to be some blowback.

This appears to be a private part and all owners have the right to refuse admission to anybody they like.

No. It is not blowback. It is a wrongful act.

Constitution of the Kingdom of Thailand B.E. 2560 (2017), Thailand

CHAPTER III. Section 27:

All persons are equal before the law, and shall have rights and liberties and be protected equally under the law. Men and women shall enjoy equal rights. Unjust discrimination against a person on the grounds of differences in origin, race, language, sex, age, disability, physical or health condition, personal status, economic and social standing, religious belief, education, or political view which is not contrary to the provisions of the Constitution, or on any other grounds shall not be permitted.

The government haspreviously stated that discrimination based upon religion is unacceptable.

19 minutes ago, MisterTee said:

I would assume that the Palestinians had land titles of some sort under the Ottoman's and later during the British Mandate.

If you can prove that wrong, I'll stand corrected.

Around two thirds of the land is unregistered, giving rise to plenty of disputes. But the issue I was referring to is sovereignty, not private ownership.

Roughly 33% to 38% of the land in the West Bank is formally registered with clear title.

• The Historical Base (~33%): When Jordan ruled the West Bank (1948–1967), it carried out a formal land registration campaign (Tapu), but only completed about one-third of the territory before Israel occupied the region in 1967 and froze registration proceedings under Military Order 291.

• Palestinian Authority (PA) Progress (~38%): Since the PA began its own property settlement initiatives in Areas A and B in recent years, formal registration across the entire West Bank has edged up closer to 38%.

• The Unregistered Majority (~62%–67%): Roughly two-thirds of the West Bank remains unregistered. Property in these areas is held using informal deeds, tax receipts (Maliyya), customary contracts, or legacy Ottoman/British declarations rather than direct land registry titles.

• Area C Concentration: The vast majority of unregistered land sits within Area C (which covers about 60% of the West Bank), precisely where Israel's cabinet decision aims to launch state-driven land registration.

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

I would ban myself on principle

Does your principle cover subversion of a nation's sovereignty, genocide and war crimes?

This isn't about Gaza or palestine.This is about an overt act of discrimination. Appreciably, there are many jew/Israeli haters who have been waiting for an opportunity to engage in a mob style attack on jews without fear of being held accountable. However, for those of us who see the big picture, this is a fundamentally wrongful act that has significant implications for the rest of the foreign community. It is motivated by hate. Gaza is just an excuse.

Overall, the Thais are not anti Israel. I know some people want that to be the case, but the high number of Thai workers and the profitable Israeli tourism trade has blunted alot of the hoped for hate. I will not be surprised if the business owner is muslim or has a foreign ownership interest. The reality is that Thais are indifferent to israelis. Anyone who has friends who were active service veterans of the southern insurgency will understand that there is more likely to be ngative views directed at certain southerners,

THe Thai government would be well advised to get this matter sorted as the Israelis are a significant source of tourist income for Koh Samui. Revenues from 250,000+ visitors is not easily replaced.

3 minutes ago, goatfarmer said:

Around two thirds of the land is unregistered, giving rise to plenty of disputes. But the issue I was referring to is sovereignty, not private ownership.

Roughly 33% to 38% of the land in the West Bank is formally registered with clear title.

• The Historical Base (~33%): When Jordan ruled the West Bank (1948–1967), it carried out a formal land registration campaign (Tapu), but only completed about one-third of the territory before Israel occupied the region in 1967 and froze registration proceedings under Military Order 291.

• Palestinian Authority (PA) Progress (~38%): Since the PA began its own property settlement initiatives in Areas A and B in recent years, formal registration across the entire West Bank has edged up closer to 38%.

• The Unregistered Majority (~62%–67%): Roughly two-thirds of the West Bank remains unregistered. Property in these areas is held using informal deeds, tax receipts (Maliyya), customary contracts, or legacy Ottoman/British declarations rather than direct land registry titles.

• Area C Concentration: The vast majority of unregistered land sits within Area C (which covers about 60% of the West Bank), precisely where Israel's cabinet decision aims to launch state-driven land registration.

Wow so not only is Israel's defending itself not "illegal" but neither is the occupation of this land.

Finally learned something new after browsing this place for years. I'll take the word of a goat farmer over the scholars and experts any day of the week

Edited August 15Aug 15 by harvardgrad

I have an immediate dislike for this individual in the video. Lacking in social awareness and no respect for Thai culture or laws. Thailand wants to be known as a welcoming tourist destination and this is exactly what Thailand does not need nor want! Deport and ban for life, there is no room for these waving flag individuals.

Same-same, but different: Before it was entry-signs with 'No Chinese' due to their reputation of bad behaviour.

Easy solution: Find another place that accept Israelites as visitors...👍

3 hours ago, save the frogs said:

No one is supposed to even know or ask where you are from in the first place.

I guess once the restaurant owner hears people speaking .... then what? The restaurant owner identifies where you are from and goes up to them and asks them to leave in the middle of their meal?

Ideally, politics should not mix with tourism. But human beings are emotional and irrational creatures.

A farang asked me where I was from out of nowhere the other day. Why is he so eager to know this above all else? People are all prejudiced. You would be surprised how many Brits and Aussies hate Americans and vice versa out there.

You won't see Brit business owners banning American diners, but it doesn't mean they don't secretly hate you while they bring you your English Breakfast.

It really is a tough subject- my concern is that it is the Israelis' now- who next and will anyone object?

Then it is simply a matter of time before sooner or later you are the one being subjected to such treatment

1 minute ago, L- Lifeline said:

It really is a tough subject- my concern is that it is the Israelis' now- who next and will anyone object?

Then it is simply a matter of time before sooner or later you are the one being subjected to such treatment

Well, the Israeli situation is a rather extreme one.

But technically, yes.

9 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Well, the Israeli situation is a rather extreme one.

But technically, yes.

There is no right or wrong really- but I agree with you

I love the quote from Edmund Bure- " For evil to triumph good men just have to stand and say nothing"

I remember a time when "The Ugly Americans" got the cold shoulder on a global scale due to its military adventurism including civilian human rights violations.
Now Israelis get the cold shoulder on a global scale due to its military adventurism including civilian human rights violations.

Take advice from a Yank. Just tell people you're Canadian.
“Eh, this is nice. Almost as nice as sittin’ in a heated car waitin’ for the engine to warm up in January with a cold Molson between your legs so we can go oot and aboot."
or
"Eh hoser, you folks have any Moosehead beer here, 'eh?"

Continually creating or escalating problems may ultimately lead to widespread international rejection. It is worth reflecting on the consequences of such actions and considering what has happened to Muslim communities.

3 hours ago, Farangfoodie said:

I am American and I am Jewish. While i draw a distinction between individuals and government, I can't get too upset about this. Israelis can't support or toleerate their government practicing apartheid and genocide and expect to be welcome all over the world.

Expressing "progressive" knee jerk anti-Israel views along with the Tiki Tok buzzwords won't save Jews from the rising international wave of racist Jew hatred. If you actually believe that this hatred is only about Israel and not about Jews, I pity your naivete.

1 hour ago, Srikcir said:

Does your principle cover subversion of a nation's sovereignty, genocide and war crimes?

Yes.

Sounds like you're speaking about Putin.

Tourists are not their governments.

Next

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53 minutes ago, L- Lifeline said:

my concern is that it is the Israelis' now- who next and will anyone object?

Before Covid, Chinese tourists were banned from some places due to documented inappropriate behavior of some.

As for the Israelis, regardless of how they voted, they are collective outcasts now due to the extermination of Gazans and their government's obvious annexation plans of Gaza, West Bank and even Lebanon. But they have also really annoyed Thais by aggresively moving in to an area en mass and then setting up illegal businesses. They also come across as very aloof.

So who's next? Well, the Israelis are hard to beat. No one else comes to mind at present.

12 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Expressing "progressive" knee jerk anti-Israel views along with the Tiki Tok buzzwords won't save Jews from the rising international wave of racist Jew hatred. If you actually believe that this hatred is only about Israel and not about Jews, I pity your naivete.

When are the Jews going to realise that they are no different to the rest of Humanity, not special or chosen but Human Beings?

Israel, the proclaimed home of the Jews are taking over others Territories, bombing, killing and maiming the people of those areas, against International Laws, like them or not, those Laws are all we have to work with. Yes, we know you were attacked on the 7th, but how many times before that did you attack others?

Gone are the days when nobody cared or saw what Israel did, now that the WWW is supplying real time news and information live, day in day out, your transgressions are available for all to see, and the rest of Humanity does not like what Israel is doing.

Whilst I agree blaming all Jews worldwide is wrong, it is understandable, and Israel's behavior is part of the problem.

2 hours ago, goatfarmer said:

Quite right. Those alleging genocide know nothing about the evidentiary standard required to infer genocidal intent (dolus specialis) and merely claim that "all of the world's experts and scholars say blah... therefore blah". They misuse the term as a political slogan.

As for the bogus claim of apartheid, that is a crime based on race, not on statelessness. There are more than 70 countries in the world that have stateless populations, Thailand included. Are any of these other states labelled 'apartheid'? And how did all of those Arabs in the West Bank become stateless? Who deprived them of their citizenship?

OK, but for now, we can only go on the following ....

United Nations Bodies: The UN Independent International Commission of Inquiry and various UN experts have issued reports asserting that Israel's actions in Gaza fulfill criteria of the 1948 Genocide Convention, citing mass casualties, the destruction of vital infrastructure, and the restriction of food and medical aid.

1. Scholarly and NGO Consensus: The International Association of Genocide Scholars passed a resolution stating that the threshold for genocide has been met. Several international and Israeli human rights organizations, such as B'Tselem and Amnesty International, have similarly concluded that the conduct of the war amounts to genocide.

If Israeli human rights organisations agree that genocide has happened, then I think we can accept their findings, don't you?

1 hour ago, khunPer said:

Same-same, but different: Before it was entry-signs with 'No Chinese' due to their reputation of bad behaviour.

Easy solution: Find another place that accept Israelites as visitors...👍

@khunPer , like Americans in the 40s , we don't serve your colour of skin here.

Sit in the back of the bus, don't use our toilets....

Really ...is this what you want?

2 minutes ago, PoorSucker said:

@khunPer , like Americans in the 40s , we don't serve your colour of skin here.

Sit in the back of the bus, don't use our toilets....

Really ...is this what you want?

TiT, behave or leave — got nothing to do with what I want — and by the way, several Israelites also don't want others in the their territory; did you read the news story about the Israelites in Thailand saying to the Thai authorities that they could not enter the property, as it was Israel-property.

Just now, khunPer said:

TiT, behave or leave — got nothing to do with what I want — and by the way, several Israelites also don't want others in the their territory; did you read the news story about the Israelites in Thailand saying to the Thai authorities that they could not enter the property, as it was Israel-property.

Lots of countries don't want them. Israeli passport holders are banned from:

1. Algeria

2. Bangladesh

3. Brunei

4. Iran

5. Iraq (except Iraqi Kurdistan with special clearance)

6. Kuwait

7. Lebanon

8. Libya

9. Malaysia (unless holding special government permission)

10. Pakistan

11. Saudi Arabia (some exceptions for VIPs)

12. Syria

13. Yemen

Several also won't allow anyone into their countries if they even have an Israeli stamp in their passport.

5 hours ago, save the frogs said:

No one is supposed to even know or ask where you are from in the first place.

I guess once the restaurant owner hears people speaking .... then what? The restaurant owner identifies where you are from and goes up to them and asks them to leave in the middle of their meal?

Ideally, politics should not mix with tourism. But human beings are emotional and irrational creatures.

A farang asked me where I was from out of nowhere the other day. Why is he so eager to know this above all else? People are all prejudiced. You would be surprised how many Brits and Aussies hate Americans and vice versa out there.

You won't see Brit business owners banning American diners, but it doesn't mean they don't secretly hate you while they bring you your English Breakfast.

Strange post, or just an opportunity to unjustifiably stir up a bit of anti-Brit feeling.?

Edited August 15Aug 15 by saintdomingo

Figures, nobody likes their up nose attitude.

9 hours ago, TedG said:

This should be illegal.

As a private establishment they have the right to refuse service to anyone. There's a more appropriate way to go about it though.

11 minutes ago, diveasia666 said:

Figures, nobody likes their up nose attitude.

So you mean Jews.

Not Israelis.

The sneaky nose reference is the giveaway.

2 hours ago, MisterTee said:

Spot on.

Just imagine if a Nazi family in the 1930s were denied service somewhere abroad.

The exact same logic applies in this case.

Radical Zionists and their cheerleaders are living in a fantasy world.

The suggestion that Zionists are similar to the Nazis is heavily ironic, and ridiculous.

7 hours ago, jacko45k said:

It surprises me. Thailand is usually known for sitting on the fence and not taking sides. Everyone's money is welcome. There is some non-Thai input here. I

2 hours ago, harvardgrad said:

Wow so not only is Israel's defending itself not "illegal" but neither is the occupation of this land.

Finally learned something new after browsing this place for years. I'll take the word of a goat farmer over the scholars and experts any day of the week

You need to learn to read. No where is there indication its legal. Harvard grad hahahaha

3 hours ago, goatfarmer said:

Quite right. Those alleging genocide know nothing about the evidentiary standard required to infer genocidal intent (dolus specialis) and merely claim that "all of the world's experts and scholars say blah... therefore blah". They misuse the term as a political slogan.

As for the bogus claim of apartheid, that is a crime based on race, not on statelessness. There are more than 70 countries in the world that have stateless populations, Thailand included. Are any of these other states labelled 'apartheid'? And how did all of those Arabs in the West Bank become stateless? Who deprived them of their citizenship?

Palestine is recognized as a state by around 150 countries.

The ICJ ordered Israel to evacuate the Occupied Palestinian Territories in July 2024. It has also ruled against Israel on the apartheid question. Human Rights Watch, founded by Aryeh Neier, a Jew, has published a 200 page report on apartheid:

https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/media_2021/04/israel_palestine0421_web_0.pdf

Pages 146-169 concern apartheid in Israel itself (as opposed to West Bank, Gaza, and easy Jerusalem).

As for genocide, the final ruling at ICJ takes years, but the ICJ has ordered Israel not to commit genocide while it considers the evidence for a final, unappealable judgement.

1 hour ago, Jeff the Chef said:

When are the Jews going to realise that they are no different to the rest of Humanity, not special or chosen but Human Beings?

Israel, the proclaimed home of the Jews are taking over others Territories, bombing, killing and maiming the people of those areas, against International Laws, like them or not, those Laws are all we have to work with. Yes, we know you were attacked on the 7th, but how many times before that did you attack others?

Gone are the days when nobody cared or saw what Israel did, now that the WWW is supplying real time news and information live, day in day out, your transgressions are available for all to see, and the rest of Humanity does not like what Israel is doing.

Whilst I agree blaming all Jews worldwide is wrong, it is understandable, and Israel's behavior is part of the problem.

Don't forget that many of the Israeli coming to Thailand have been in the IDF, often recently. They have seen atrocities or are responsible for atrocities. That does affect their behaviour.