Visa For Pregnant Gf

[ninjaspeeddemon]

Hi all, thanks for reading this and in anticipation to your replies and comments.

Sorry its too long but i've tried to give all the facts. Bear with me please !

Hope you read this SCOUSE as you're definately on the ball.

I first met my future gf "B" in Dec 2002 in pataya in a go-go bar. I was on a 4 month round the world trip and LOS was my 1st port of call to meet up with a mate. I spent a week with B and had a fantastic time. Said my goodbyes and returned to BKK a couple of days prior to my departure. I got a call from B that night to say she was on her way to be with me for my last couple of days and to see me off at the airport. That caught my attention as i hadn't given her much money as i was on a budget and she did this off her own finances. She told me this was her 1st trip to BKK as she is from Rayon and hadn't been working in Pataya long. She was 25 then and i, 33. She had 1 friend somewhere in BKK and said she didn't want to work in bars so she would look her up and try to find work and stay. B managed this by working in a massage parlour, the main customers being from the airlines, pilots etc and thais.

We stayed in touch for the next couple of months but the cost was crippling so i went quiet and after a while, so did she.

I got back in touch via e-mail about Sept and informed her off my return that Dec and did she want to meet ? Which she did at the airport, with a bunch of flowers i was embarassed to say the least as nobody has ever bought me flowers !

Things were so good that i paid up her flat in BKK for the next 3 months and she came travelling with me to Laos, Vietnam and Cambodia. We had a couple of arguements during that time which is good but nothing serious. Basically the difference in our cultures.

When we got back to BKK she was asked to leave her flat as not being there for 3 months was not good for maintenance of said flat. Yeah, right, i put it down to the fact that they had seen me and didn't think it was respectable. We both had stayed there for a few nights at the begining. B was lonely in BKK anyway so we moved her back to Pataya where her only 2 friends lived. She found a room and a job in massage whilst i was with her. Happy i hadn't ruined her life for our travels i had to leave which she was very sad about. I was thankfull that she was able to be with friends.

I did a surprise visit back in June for her birthday for 2 weeks, everything was as i hoped i'd find it ! Same flat, same job. No surprises if you know i mean

Next was there for 3 weeks in Sept. I arrived a few days earlier than i'd told her and still no surprises. Always have a good time and you could say we have been bf & gf since Dec. I stay at her flat which helps keep costs down. We had planned to bring her over to the UK on a visitors visa next year until we found out we or more probably i hadn't been as careful as i should because within 10 days of coming back home she told me that she was PREGNANT.

This changes everything. We both want her to have the baby here so it would have to be residency i suppose. The baby is due in June. I don't want to get married as i got divorced 5 years ago and i guess, once bitten, twice shy. I've got loads of photo's and phone bills to support our application. I've met her family and her 8yr old child who's gorgeous.

Im back over in Jan for 3 weeks and would like her to return for good with me but should we have applied by now ? If B gets residency say on a fiance visa will the govt pay the medical costs and will the baby have dual nationality ?

Sorry to ramble on, this has taken ages to type.

Your thoughts and comments, please !

Thanks

ninjaspeeddemon

[the scouser]

As your g/f is pregnant it is unlikely she would get a visit visa as the visa officer would think that she was coming to the UK in order to have the child on the NHS and to settle in the UK.

A fiancé(e) visa would entitle your g/f to NHS treatment but she would be granted entry to the UK for only 6 months. During this time you would be expected to marry and then she could stay longer. If at the end of the 6 months you were not married she would have to return to Thailand and, for reasons I'll explain in the next paragraph, as likely as not take the child with her.

Under the current nationality legislation your child would not automatically be British. It is no longer sufficient just to be born in the UK. At least one of the parents has to be British or a foreign national settled in the UK; i.e. has no time limit on their stay. Furthermore, and this is the bit that applies to your circumstances, unmarried fathers cannot pass on their citizenship. You could apply to the Home Office to have the child registered as a British citizen but the decision would be at their discretion. You would have to apply for a Thai passport for the child at the Thai embassy in London.

Best of luck,

Scouse.

[ninjaspeeddemon]

Thanks for your responce scouse !

Do you think they will look at the visa application unfavourably because B is pregnant.

ninjaspeeddemon

[the scouser]

For a visit application, yes. For a fiancé(e) application the pregnancy is evidence of the closeness of your relationship. It's a question that will cross many people's minds but the embassy should not query whether the child is yours.

Scouse.

[ninjaspeeddemon]

As i mentioned, i dont want to get married but accept that i will have to bite the bullet in order for her to stay. Any idea on her legal entitlement to my worldly goods or provisions i will have to make for the baby. Sorry, i'm not mean or a bad person, just i lost half my shit the last time.

Any clue to when we should apply for the fiance's visa ?

Thanks scouse.

ninjaspeeddemon

[the scouser]

The sooner the better really. The embassy will be effectively shut for nearly 2 weeks over Xmas and New Year which will further delay your g/f's interview. The last time I checked there was a 9-week wait between lodging the application and the interview. Also bear in mind that many airlines don't let women fly in an advanced state of pregnancy. Check with the relevant carrier but I think the cut off mark is about 32 weeks.

If you marry your g/f then the same rules apply as did to your previous marriage. If it all goes tits up she gets half with a bit more for the child. If you don't marry her then she has to return to Thailand after 6 months.

Cheers,

Scouse.

[ninjaspeeddemon]

Cheers scouse.

Your info is greatly appreciated. it has seriously put me between a rock and a hard place though. After my divorce i promised never to get in that situation again as it is only a piece of paper and doesn't mean that i don't love whoever. With a baby on the way the lines are getting all blurry.

ninjaspeeddemon

[pnustedt]

Furthermore, and this is the bit that applies to your circumstances, unmarried fathers cannot pass on their citizenship.

Could anyone tell me if this also applies to American citizens?

I am concerned about a Thai girl who was dating an American - he died a few weeks ago - she is expecting his baby in Jan. She has samples which could be used for DNA testing, etc. if necessary. His family seem to accept that the baby is his, but he is married (but separated) and his wife will inherit his stuff.

Any advice appreciated.

Sorry to jump on your thread Ninja.

[thaihome]

Could anyone tell me if this also applies to American citizens?

Seems the baby will be eligible for US citizenship:

INA: ACT 301 - NATIONALS AND CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES AT BIRTH

Will need to certificate from consulate once the baby is born:

Documentation of United States Citizens Born Abroad Who Acquire Citizenship At Birth

Certainly will be complicated and the girl is going to need some serious representation to help her.

TH

[pnustedt]

Certainly will be complicated and the girl is going to need some serious representation to help her.

TH

Tks TH. That's reassuring. Actually the American Consulate have been on the case and were very helpful to the girl. I have offered to appoint (and pay for) a lawyer for her but she has declined so far - guess I'll hold off until the baby is born.

[anon 5]

Hi,

Me too , after I got pregnant with my boyfriend. He married me and tried to do visa for me. But not work. Still have to wait longer. But it isn't too bad. Thai private hospital are very nice. They teach how to take care baby. They take very good care of me. And they advice every things about baby and being mom before back home. Now we still wait for visa (me and husband) and it was approved. Hope we will do next step soon.

Anchalee.

[anon 5]

When you go to apply birth abrode for American citizen. You need to prepare evidence that the baby is belong to him also. (Such as plane ticket , picture that she was with him , etc.. ) I gave birth to baby 1 month ago. She is so cute. And her father (American) take us to apply for birth abrode.

Certainly will be complicated and the girl is going to need some serious representation to help her.

TH

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Tks TH. That's reassuring. Actually the American Consulate have been on the case and were very helpful to the girl. I have offered to appoint (and pay for) a lawyer for her but she has declined so far - guess I'll hold off until the baby is born.

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[pnustedt]

Congratulations Anchalee - I wish you and your family every happiness for the future.

I don't think we will have any problem regarding parental proof. My concern is the upbringing of the child and his entitlements - he is a boy BTW and will be named after his father.