I Will Return To Post Of Prime Minister: Thaksin

[h90]

As well TRT got twice dissolved for vote buying, while the Democrats didn't got dissolved in 60 years, so maybe they just don't like to do illegal things.

Chuan Leekpai, former Thai PM and still Democrat Party chief advisor aka 'The Painter'.

His brother embezzled billions from the banks here and went on the run to Taiwan until the statute of limitations on his crime expired.

He's now pursuing a political career.

In which position is Chuan Leekpais brother in the Democrat Party or what position had he when this happened???

None, or??

Did his brother buy votes???

No

So what has this to do with the Democrats?

[hammered]

Aisa Sentinel put up yet another article overloaded with quotes from Thitinan and Giles.

These two would never ever see "reds" as being a movement to bring back Thaksin, never, their ears are closed to such things, they've got their own agendas to push.

Asia Sentinel always publish under "our correspondent". Why they cant name him/her is a mystery. Ten Kate always used a name before moving on to CSM.

[plachon]

Aisa Sentinel put up yet another article overloaded with quotes from Thitinan and Giles.

These two would never ever see "reds" as being a movement to bring back Thaksin, never, their ears are closed to such things, they've got their own agendas to push.

Hi Plus. Read beyond the article to one of the comments by a John Francis Lee. While you probably won't agree with all of the points made, it is interesting that there is quite a strong intersection between the aims of some of the grassroots reds and yellows which the two sides just don't appreciate. i.e. the need to return to a more self-sufficient economy, divorced from the political games and pure, self-centred greed of the wealthy, urban classes and pooyai. If the two sides were not divided by colour and the malevolent ghost of Thaksin, which seeps into everything, they might find they have much in common. In other words, it's time to cast away the shirts and cults of personality, and for people to start thinking by themselves. An optimistic thought for a Friday morning!

[Old Man River]

As well TRT got twice dissolved for vote buying, while the Democrats didn't got dissolved in 60 years, so maybe they just don't like to do illegal things.

Chuan Leekpai, former Thai PM and still Democrat Party chief advisor aka 'The Painter'.

His brother embezzled billions from the banks here and went on the run to Taiwan until the statute of limitations on his crime expired.

He's now pursuing a political career.

In which position is Chuan Leekpais brother in the Democrat Party or what position had he when this happened???

None, or??

Did his brother buy votes???

No

So what has this to do with the Democrats?

It has nothing to do with the democrats. It was a cheap shot when Samak said it because he had nothing else to say. and it is still a cheap shot.

[SmugFarangBore]

As well TRT got twice dissolved for vote buying, while the Democrats didn't got dissolved in 60 years, so maybe they just don't like to do illegal things.

Chuan Leekpai, former Thai PM and still Democrat Party chief advisor aka 'The Painter'.

His brother embezzled billions from the banks here and went on the run to Taiwan until the statute of limitations on his crime expired.

He's now pursuing a political career.

In which position is Chuan Leekpais brother in the Democrat Party or what position had he when this happened???

None, or??

Did his brother buy votes???

No

So what has this to do with the Democrats?

It has nothing to do with the democrats. It was a cheap shot when Samak said it because he had nothing else to say. and it is still a cheap shot.

Did you somehow miraculously miss the part that states he is entering politics?

Chuan Leekpai, former PM of a thoroughly corrupt Democrat Government is still Democrat Party Chief Advisor.

Or did you think he got the nickname 'The Painter' because he was good with watercolours?

Anyway, my post was to merely illustrate that "maybe they [the Democrats] just don't like to do illegal things" was complete and utter misinformed nonsense.

[TAWP]

In many countries it's illegal to block people from joining a political party...what did you expect them to do? I think the point is that while he might be an unsavory character he cannot and shouldn't be denied entry on things in the past be it via statutory limitation passing or sentence already served. if he however did something while being a member...

[Plus]

Chuan Leekpai, former PM of a thoroughly corrupt Democrat Government is still Democrat Party Chief Advisor.

I believe this is the most confused post of the month yet.

>>>>

Plachon, I've looked at John Francis Lee's comment on Asia Sentinel again and still can't make heads of tails of it.

Is it the same person who often writes to either Nation or Bangkok Post? I think that is the "right wing" guy but don't hold me for that.

What about his quotes from Thitinan and Baker, as if it was a continuation of the same article?

While I'm not surprised about people resenting Democrats' way to power, the idea that this is an unelected government, or that the country should revert to 1997 Constution is a non-starter. People who seriously entertain them have a few beers short in their six packs, and hanging out with Thaksin's banners doesn't give them any credibility.

Maybe it's a teenage like state of rebellion - they kind of know what they are against but have no clue what is it that they are for. They just want to be different, like everyone else.

I have no idea what is going to happen to the red movement. Idiots like Giles and Weng will keep on crusading against windmills no matter what, but the rest are definitely getting drawn closer to Thaksin and scrambling for "the dearest ass kisser" position. Thaksin's family taking over PTP doesn't exactly inspire visions of democratic reforms these idealists like to preach about. Who would believe them?

[SmugFarangBore]

Chuan Leekpai, former PM of a thoroughly corrupt Democrat Government is still Democrat Party Chief Advisor.

I believe this is the most confused post of the month yet.

In what way is it confused? It is wholly accurate.

Perhaps you were just trying to belittle my post with a thinly veiled insult as you were unable to refute it.

[h90]

As well TRT got twice dissolved for vote buying, while the Democrats didn't got dissolved in 60 years, so maybe they just don't like to do illegal things.

Chuan Leekpai, former Thai PM and still Democrat Party chief advisor aka 'The Painter'.

His brother embezzled billions from the banks here and went on the run to Taiwan until the statute of limitations on his crime expired.

He's now pursuing a political career.

In which position is Chuan Leekpais brother in the Democrat Party or what position had he when this happened???

None, or??

Did his brother buy votes???

No

So what has this to do with the Democrats?

It has nothing to do with the democrats. It was a cheap shot when Samak said it because he had nothing else to say. and it is still a cheap shot.

Did you somehow miraculously miss the part that states he is entering politics?

Chuan Leekpai, former PM of a thoroughly corrupt Democrat Government is still Democrat Party Chief Advisor.

Or did you think he got the nickname 'The Painter' because he was good with watercolours?

Anyway, my post was to merely illustrate that "maybe they [the Democrats] just don't like to do illegal things" was complete and utter misinformed nonsense.

HM the King mentioned Chuan Leekpai in this matter.

I don't have the link to the original words so I can't quote it and I don't want to risk to missquote it. It might be only in Thai language available.

Maybe someone has time enough to find it on the internet or may recall it. I think it was a birthday speech, but not sure on that.

[Guest Reimar]

Democrat to ask US on Thaksin's use of US lobby firms : Buranat

By The Nation

Democrat Party spokesman Buranat Samuttharak on Friday blamed ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra for trying to stir up political instability and outlined Thaksin's five suspicious activities. By his own admission, Thaksin said during the Monday's phone-in that he has made the financial backing for political activities inside Thailand, the spokesman said.

The phone-in message is clear that Thaksin gave the blessing for his four siblings to oversee the party's activities.

Thaksin has openly associated himself with the opposition movement led by the red-shirt crowd. He also appears to have condoned the rally messages deemed offensive to the monarchy. Therefore he should be held accountable for wrongdoing involving the protesters with his support.

The ex-premier is seen to have encouraged DTV and certain community radio stations to air programmes designed to widen the social divisions.

He has hired foreign lobbyist firms to discredit Thailand for 2007 and 2008.

Buranat said his main coalition party will raise the issue of whether Thaksin used American firms or the United States as a base to destabilise the political situation.

The issue will be discussed on Tuesday during a meeting between Democrat chief adviser Chuan Leekpai and US Ambassador Eric John.

The party spokesman reminded Thaksin and Pheu Thai MPs that Chinese authorities permitted the entry into the mainland, Hong Kong and Macau on the condition of not abusing the visit as the springboard for political instigation.

He spoke in reference to the reports that Thaksin and the opposition lawmakers might meet this weekend or next in Macau.

Pheu Thai MP Jatuporn Prompan said Thaksin will on February 15 make his next phone-in aired by DTV satellite station.

Jatuporn said he encouraged his fellow MPs to keep in touch with Thaksin although for safety reason, they should not reveal his whereabouts.

[Old Man River]

Chuan Leekpai, former PM of a thoroughly corrupt Democrat Government is still Democrat Party Chief Advisor.

I believe this is the most confused post of the month yet.

In what way is it confused? It is wholly accurate.

Perhaps you were just trying to belittle my post with a thinly veiled insult as you were unable to refute it.

No, actually you are the one who needs to prove your statement. You said "thoroughly corrupt." OK, prove it.

[SmugFarangBore]

Chuan Leekpai, former PM of a thoroughly corrupt Democrat Government is still Democrat Party Chief Advisor.

I believe this is the most confused post of the month yet.

In what way is it confused? It is wholly accurate.

Perhaps you were just trying to belittle my post with a thinly veiled insult as you were unable to refute it.

No, actually you are the one who needs to prove your statement. You said "thoroughly corrupt." OK, prove it.

It's common knowledge to anyone with even the thinnest grasp of Thai politics, and it is the reason Chuan Leekpai has the nickname of 'The Painter'.

But seeing as you are obviously not informed on the subject I'll help you on the way with your research. Google 'Salween Logging Scandal' for starters.

Oh and then there's the time he was found guilty by the National Counter Corruption Commission too.

No need to prove anything as it's all common knowledge, or at least it should be if you are commenting on Thai politics.

[Old Man River]

Chuan Leekpai, former PM of a thoroughly corrupt Democrat Government is still Democrat Party Chief Advisor.

I believe this is the most confused post of the month yet.

In what way is it confused? It is wholly accurate.

Perhaps you were just trying to belittle my post with a thinly veiled insult as you were unable to refute it.

No, actually you are the one who needs to prove your statement. You said "thoroughly corrupt." OK, prove it.

It's common knowledge to anyone with even the thinnest grasp of Thai politics, and it is the reason Chuan Leekpai has the nickname of 'The Painter'.

But seeing as you are obviously not informed on the subject I'll help you on the way with your research. Google 'Salween Logging Scandal' for starters.

Oh and then there's the time he was found guilty by the National Counter Corruption Commission too.

No need to prove anything as it's all common knowledge, or at least it should be if you are commenting on Thai politics.

You have a short memory. Your comment, since you have already forgotten, is that the Democratic Party is thoroughly corrupt. I have highlighted your comment above. Now, that you have been reminded about what you said, prove it and don't rely on this everyone knows crap as it is so lame. You said it, now back it up.

[SmugFarangBore]

Chuan Leekpai, former PM of a thoroughly corrupt Democrat Government is still Democrat Party Chief Advisor.

I believe this is the most confused post of the month yet.

In what way is it confused? It is wholly accurate.

Perhaps you were just trying to belittle my post with a thinly veiled insult as you were unable to refute it.

No, actually you are the one who needs to prove your statement. You said "thoroughly corrupt." OK, prove it.

It's common knowledge to anyone with even the thinnest grasp of Thai politics, and it is the reason Chuan Leekpai has the nickname of 'The Painter'.

But seeing as you are obviously not informed on the subject I'll help you on the way with your research. Google 'Salween Logging Scandal' for starters.

Oh and then there's the time he was found guilty by the National Counter Corruption Commission too.

No need to prove anything as it's all common knowledge, or at least it should be if you are commenting on Thai politics.

You have a short memory. Your comment, since you have already forgotten, is that the Democratic Party is thoroughly corrupt. I have highlighted your comment above. Now, that you have been reminded about what you said, prove it and don't rely on this everyone knows crap as it is so lame. You said it, now back it up.

No, I clearly stated Chuan Leekpai was former PM of a thoroughly corrupt government. That's a fact. His government was wholly corrupt and he was nicknamed the painter because of it. Common knowledge to most Thai political observers as I have mentioned.

Don't put selected parts of my comment in bold to try and get people to misinterpret it or misquote me completely. It's a dishonest debating tactic.

[sriracha john]

Chuan Leekpai, former PM of a thoroughly corrupt Democrat Government is still Democrat Party Chief Advisor.

I believe this is the most confused post of the month yet.

In what way is it confused? It is wholly accurate.

Perhaps you were just trying to belittle my post with a thinly veiled insult as you were unable to refute it.

No, actually you are the one who needs to prove your statement. You said "thoroughly corrupt." OK, prove it.

It's common knowledge to anyone with even the thinnest grasp of Thai politics, and it is the reason Chuan Leekpai has the nickname of 'The Painter'.

But seeing as you are obviously not informed on the subject I'll help you on the way with your research. Google 'Salween Logging Scandal' for starters.

Oh and then there's the time he was found guilty by the National Counter Corruption Commission too.

No need to prove anything as it's all common knowledge, or at least it should be if you are commenting on Thai politics.

You have a short memory. Your comment, since you have already forgotten, is that the Democratic Party is thoroughly corrupt. I have highlighted your comment above. Now, that you have been reminded about what you said, prove it and don't rely on this everyone knows crap as it is so lame. You said it, now back it up.

No, I clearly stated Chuan Leekpai was former PM of a thoroughly corrupt government. That's a fact. His government was wholly corrupt and he was nicknamed the painter because of it. Common knowledge to most Thai political observers as I have mentioned.

Don't put selected parts of my comment in bold to try and get people to misinterpret it or misquote me completely. It's a dishonest debating tactic.

So is having multiple ID's....

[Old Man River]

Chuan Leekpai, former PM of a thoroughly corrupt Democrat Government is still Democrat Party Chief Advisor.

I believe this is the most confused post of the month yet.

In what way is it confused? It is wholly accurate.

Perhaps you were just trying to belittle my post with a thinly veiled insult as you were unable to refute it.

No, actually you are the one who needs to prove your statement. You said "thoroughly corrupt." OK, prove it.

It's common knowledge to anyone with even the thinnest grasp of Thai politics, and it is the reason Chuan Leekpai has the nickname of 'The Painter'.

But seeing as you are obviously not informed on the subject I'll help you on the way with your research. Google 'Salween Logging Scandal' for starters.

Oh and then there's the time he was found guilty by the National Counter Corruption Commission too.

No need to prove anything as it's all common knowledge, or at least it should be if you are commenting on Thai politics.

You have a short memory. Your comment, since you have already forgotten, is that the Democratic Party is thoroughly corrupt. I have highlighted your comment above. Now, that you have been reminded about what you said, prove it and don't rely on this everyone knows crap as it is so lame. You said it, now back it up.

No, I clearly stated Chuan Leekpai was former PM of a thoroughly corrupt government. That's a fact. His government was wholly corrupt and he was nicknamed the painter because of it. Common knowledge to most Thai political observers as I have mentioned.

Don't put selected parts of my comment in bold to try and get people to misinterpret it or misquote me completely. It's a dishonest debating tactic.

Dishonest debating tactic? Perhaps my mistake, but when you said thoroughly corrupt Democratic government I thought you were disparaging the Democrats. Perhaps it is just a personal attack aimed at Chuan, twice PM in Thailand who is an attorney and has earned several nicknames due to his excellent oratory skills.

As it pertains to the Salween logging scandal, you should know that the plundering of the Salween forest was occurring long before the Democrats came into office and ended up involving 42 forestry officials.

Since under your current ID you are presenting yourself as being new to Thailand, you should be made aware that there is some level of corruption in all Thai governments. The Democrats are easy to attack as they are the oldest political party in Thailand, a country where political parties are continually being spawned, breaking up and reforming with different people under different names (not unlike some posters on TV).

Also, for the record, since you are aiming a personal attack on Chuan, you should be aware that he has received

The Knight Grand Cross (First Class) of the Most Noble Order of the Crown of Thailand.

The Knight Grand Cross (First Class) of the Most Exalted Order of the White Elephant.

The Knight Grand Cordon (Special Class) of The Most Noble Order of the Crown of Thailand.

The Knight Grand Cordon (Special Class) of the Most Exalted Order of the White Elephant.

The Grand Companion (Third Class, higher grade) of the Most Illustrious Order of Chula Chom Klao.

and, The Knight Grand Commander (Second Class, higher grade) of the Most Illustrious Order of Chula Chom Klao.

Keep this in mind when you continue your personal attacks on Chuan.

While I can't say I am unhappy to see you back, I am a bit surprised that your comments are thin on facts and heavy on disparaging remarks about other posters. You used to combine the two.

[Journalist]

Whats past is past, and Chuan Leekpai is not worth speculating about. Those around in Thailand in the late 90s will remember him as being the best of the bunch during a challenging time.

However.

Gen. Sanan Kachornprasart is a ghastly old fossil of bygone times. An old fashioned political brawler with all the usual stigmas attached. He is back at the hub again.

Edited February 7, 2009 by Journalist

[hammered]

Whats past is past, and Chuan Leekpai is not worth speculating about. Those around in Thailand in the late 90s will remember him as being the best of the bunch during a challenging time.

However.

Gen. Sanan Kachornprasart is a ghastly old fossil of bygone times. An old fashioned political brawler with all the usual stigmas attached. He is back at the hub again.

Thai politics hasnt really changed that much. I do sometimes wonder if at the end of this whole politcal class intrigue that they will all be so discredited and people so sick of the lot of em, that New politcs will sneak in by default (or by what was actually a macchiavelian plan).

[Samuian]

As well TRT got twice dissolved for vote buying, while the Democrats didn't got dissolved in 60 years, so maybe they just don't like to do illegal things.

Chuan Leekpai, former Thai PM and still Democrat Party chief advisor aka 'The Painter'.

His brother embezzled billions from the banks here and went on the run to Taiwan until the statute of limitations on his crime expired.

He's now pursuing a political career.

His brother!

Lucky you aren't representing the law in any case!

His neighbor shot someone.... his sister has a bad reputation for eating huge amounts of pla raa...what does that tell us?

TaxSin may say what he wishes, he told the audience way too many times he will refrain from political activities, as we know he goes yes/no/yes/no/yes/no...

Whats past is past, and Chuan Leekpai is not worth speculating about. Those around in Thailand in the late 90s will remember him as being the best of the bunch during a challenging time.

However.

Gen. Sanan Kachornprasart is a ghastly old fossil of bygone times. An old fashioned political brawler with all the usual stigmas attached. He is back at the hub again.

Thai politics hasnt really changed that much. I do sometimes wonder if at the end of this whole politcal class intrigue that they will all be so discredited and people so sick of the lot of em, that New politcs will sneak in by default (or by what was actually a macchiavelian plan).

Sure they haven't maybe we are expecting way too much, what can happen, be done in a couple of weeks?

This is entire social fabric of this society it is deeply ingrained, a few are straight honest people, but those who won't fit in, are made to fit, embroiled into some scandal, into some sort of corruption and bingo, "Your are one of us"!

Sanan, Banharn are just two names of a long list and unthinkable that they could be just wiped off the grand plan!

It will take considerable measures and considerable time, they ALL have children!

Edited February 7, 2009 by Samuian

[LindsayBKK]

Justice Awaiting Thaksin In Thailand

Thaksin was found guilty of corruption.

Thaksin Visa Revoked whilst out of the UK.

Japan Bans Thaksin

Thaksin And Potjaman Divorce In Hong Kong

Thaksin's Son Found Guilty Of Violating Security Regulations

Thaksin Sells His Manchester City

Thaksin's Children To Be Forced To Pay Income Tax At 37 Per Cent Rate, on proceeds from the sale of Shin Corp

just to name a few...

First he has to go to court....then go to jail....and after 50 years in jail....then maybe.

Oh but of course he can on his second life.

[hammered]

From the Post:

Former army chief Chaiyasit Shinawatra claimed that there are movements trying to take life of ousted premier Thaksin Shinawatra, so his whereabouts must not be made known.

rest at: http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/13...r-if-he-returns

and also from the Post:

Supreme Commander Songkitti Jaggabatara dismissed accusation by Puea Thai MP Nattawut Saikua, who claimed that a confidential budget of 2 billion baht has been set aside to brainwash the red-shirt supporters.

Rest at: http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/13...o-brainwash-udd

It seems extreme paranoia is setting in at Thaksin high command. Maybe they should be checking their red rally food stuffs (which apparently they havent paid for at Ram!) havent been packed full of hallucinogenic drugs to cause them to rave in an incomprehensible manner.

[henryalleman]

Chuan Leekpai, former PM of a thoroughly corrupt Democrat Government is still Democrat Party Chief Advisor.

I believe this is the most confused post of the month yet.

In what way is it confused? It is wholly accurate.

Perhaps you were just trying to belittle my post with a thinly veiled insult as you were unable to refute it.

No, actually you are the one who needs to prove your statement. You said "thoroughly corrupt." OK, prove it.

It's common knowledge to anyone with even the thinnest grasp of Thai politics, and it is the reason Chuan Leekpai has the nickname of 'The Painter'.

But seeing as you are obviously not informed on the subject I'll help you on the way with your research. Google 'Salween Logging Scandal' for starters.

Oh and then there's the time he was found guilty by the National Counter Corruption Commission too.

No need to prove anything as it's all common knowledge, or at least it should be if you are commenting on Thai politics.

You have a short memory. Your comment, since you have already forgotten, is that the Democratic Party is thoroughly corrupt. I have highlighted your comment above. Now, that you have been reminded about what you said, prove it and don't rely on this everyone knows crap as it is so lame. You said it, now back it up.

No, I clearly stated Chuan Leekpai was former PM of a thoroughly corrupt government. That's a fact. His government was wholly corrupt and he was nicknamed the painter because of it. Common knowledge to most Thai political observers as I have mentioned.

Don't put selected parts of my comment in bold to try and get people to misinterpret it or misquote me completely. It's a dishonest debating tactic.

Dishonest debating tactic? Perhaps my mistake, but when you said thoroughly corrupt Democratic government I thought you were disparaging the Democrats. Perhaps it is just a personal attack aimed at Chuan, twice PM in Thailand who is an attorney and has earned several nicknames due to his excellent oratory skills.

As it pertains to the Salween logging scandal, you should know that the plundering of the Salween forest was occurring long before the Democrats came into office and ended up involving 42 forestry officials.

Since under your current ID you are presenting yourself as being new to Thailand, you should be made aware that there is some level of corruption in all Thai governments. The Democrats are easy to attack as they are the oldest political party in Thailand, a country where political parties are continually being spawned, breaking up and reforming with different people under different names (not unlike some posters on TV).

Also, for the record, since you are aiming a personal attack on Chuan, you should be aware that he has received

The Knight Grand Cross (First Class) of the Most Noble Order of the Crown of Thailand.

The Knight Grand Cross (First Class) of the Most Exalted Order of the White Elephant.

The Knight Grand Cordon (Special Class) of The Most Noble Order of the Crown of Thailand.

The Knight Grand Cordon (Special Class) of the Most Exalted Order of the White Elephant.

The Grand Companion (Third Class, higher grade) of the Most Illustrious Order of Chula Chom Klao.

and, The Knight Grand Commander (Second Class, higher grade) of the Most Illustrious Order of Chula Chom Klao.

Keep this in mind when you continue your personal attacks on Chuan.

While I can't say I am unhappy to see you back, I am a bit surprised that your comments are thin on facts and heavy on disparaging remarks about other posters. You used to combine the two.

Thanks for your comment to defend Chuan. If my information is correct iuts seems that Chuan still live in a rented house and refused a house who was offered to him. So when this is true how this man can be called corrupt.

[hammered]

Chuan Leekpai, former PM of a thoroughly corrupt Democrat Government is still Democrat Party Chief Advisor.

I believe this is the most confused post of the month yet.

In what way is it confused? It is wholly accurate.

Perhaps you were just trying to belittle my post with a thinly veiled insult as you were unable to refute it.

No, actually you are the one who needs to prove your statement. You said "thoroughly corrupt." OK, prove it.

It's common knowledge to anyone with even the thinnest grasp of Thai politics, and it is the reason Chuan Leekpai has the nickname of 'The Painter'.

But seeing as you are obviously not informed on the subject I'll help you on the way with your research. Google 'Salween Logging Scandal' for starters.

Oh and then there's the time he was found guilty by the National Counter Corruption Commission too.

No need to prove anything as it's all common knowledge, or at least it should be if you are commenting on Thai politics.

You have a short memory. Your comment, since you have already forgotten, is that the Democratic Party is thoroughly corrupt. I have highlighted your comment above. Now, that you have been reminded about what you said, prove it and don't rely on this everyone knows crap as it is so lame. You said it, now back it up.

No, I clearly stated Chuan Leekpai was former PM of a thoroughly corrupt government. That's a fact. His government was wholly corrupt and he was nicknamed the painter because of it. Common knowledge to most Thai political observers as I have mentioned.

Don't put selected parts of my comment in bold to try and get people to misinterpret it or misquote me completely. It's a dishonest debating tactic.

Dishonest debating tactic? Perhaps my mistake, but when you said thoroughly corrupt Democratic government I thought you were disparaging the Democrats. Perhaps it is just a personal attack aimed at Chuan, twice PM in Thailand who is an attorney and has earned several nicknames due to his excellent oratory skills.

As it pertains to the Salween logging scandal, you should know that the plundering of the Salween forest was occurring long before the Democrats came into office and ended up involving 42 forestry officials.

Since under your current ID you are presenting yourself as being new to Thailand, you should be made aware that there is some level of corruption in all Thai governments. The Democrats are easy to attack as they are the oldest political party in Thailand, a country where political parties are continually being spawned, breaking up and reforming with different people under different names (not unlike some posters on TV).

Also, for the record, since you are aiming a personal attack on Chuan, you should be aware that he has received

The Knight Grand Cross (First Class) of the Most Noble Order of the Crown of Thailand.

The Knight Grand Cross (First Class) of the Most Exalted Order of the White Elephant.

The Knight Grand Cordon (Special Class) of The Most Noble Order of the Crown of Thailand.

The Knight Grand Cordon (Special Class) of the Most Exalted Order of the White Elephant.

The Grand Companion (Third Class, higher grade) of the Most Illustrious Order of Chula Chom Klao.

and, The Knight Grand Commander (Second Class, higher grade) of the Most Illustrious Order of Chula Chom Klao.

Keep this in mind when you continue your personal attacks on Chuan.

While I can't say I am unhappy to see you back, I am a bit surprised that your comments are thin on facts and heavy on disparaging remarks about other posters. You used to combine the two.

Thanks for your comment to defend Chuan. If my information is correct iuts seems that Chuan still live in a rented house and refused a house who was offered to him. So when this is true how this man can be called corrupt.

I doubt whether anyone is going to call Chaun himself corrupt. His reputation was probably as the personally cleanest PM Thailand has ever had. Not all in his governments were as clean, which is another matter.

While PM he did indeed live in a fairly small rented house on Soi Mor Leng in Pratunam

[SmugFarangBore]

So is having multiple ID's.... rolleyes.gif

Care to back that allegation up with proof?

Since under your current ID you are presenting yourself as being new to Thailand

I think you'll find I have been here for 15 years, and have never posted on this forum before.

You've been taken apart on this thread, so your only option is to try and defame the poster.

Also, for the record, since you are aiming a personal attack on Chuan, you should be aware that he has received

The Knight Grand Cross (First Class) of the Most Noble Order of the Crown of Thailand.

The Knight Grand Cross (First Class) of the Most Exalted Order of the White Elephant.

The Knight Grand Cordon (Special Class) of The Most Noble Order of the Crown of Thailand.

The Knight Grand Cordon (Special Class) of the Most Exalted Order of the White Elephant.

The Grand Companion (Third Class, higher grade) of the Most Illustrious Order of Chula Chom Klao.

and, The Knight Grand Commander (Second Class, higher grade) of the Most Illustrious Order of Chula Chom Klao.

I think you'll find many Thai politicians have such honours, including Thaksin.

Chuan was still found guilty by the National Counter Corruption Commission and as PM, presided over many corruption scandals that plagued his government.

But anyone can C&P from Wikipedia as you have done so here.

More dishonesty - you should put a link to your source when you do this.

Keep this in mind when you continue your personal attacks on Chuan.

No personal attacks, just providing you with the truth.

I am a bit surprised that your comments are thin on facts and heavy on disparaging remarks about other posters.

Not thin on facts at all, and there's certainly no "disparaging remarks". Unlike all of your posts in response to mine.

You employed an underhand and dishonest debating tactic by misquoting me and falsely attributing my comment to the current Democrat administration so I pulled you up on it.

Edited February 7, 2009 by SmugFarangBore

[SmugFarangBore]

So when this is true how this man can be called corrupt.

Why did the National Counter Corruption Commission find him guilty of asset concealment then?

[Maestro]

Nonsensical posts referring to a non-existing or fictitious person named Toxin and replies to them have been deleted.

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[sriracha john]

So is having multiple ID's....

Care to back that allegation up with proof?

well...

It's common knowledge to anyone with even the thinnest grasp of Thai politics

and...

That's a fact.

Edited February 7, 2009 by sriracha john

[sriracha john]

Puea Thai Party to consult Thaksin 'on new leader'

Democrat Party believes Puea Thai Party MPs want to consult with ousted premier Thaksin Shinawatra on the selection of the new Party Leader. The Puea Thai Party is expected to select its new Leader on Tuesday, according to Democrat Spokesman Buranat Samitrak. The Spokesman also said Thaksin has the right to phone-in to speak to his supporters, but the rule of law will apply to him as a Thai citizen. Mr Buranat added that the government guarantees Thaksin's safety if he returns to fight criminal charges against

Continued here:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/13...n-on-new-leader

[sriracha john]

Pheu Thai Party complains about lack of subsidy

The Pheu Thai Party yesterday lodged a complaint with the Election Commission, saying it faced a financial burden because it received no subsidy from the EC last week, while other parties did.

In an argument submitted on his party's behalf, Opposition Chief Whip Withaya Buranasiri said his Party was entitled to the subsidy since its MPs held 183 House seats and remained politically active, as prescribed in EC-issued regulations.

"My Party needs the financial assistance in order to further develop its ties with the people," Withaya said following the filing of the complaint.

He said he was optimistic that the EC would likely grant the subsidy to his party.

EC member Sodsri Satayathum said the agency had already allocated the funds to support political parties for 2009.

Under the relevant laws, a Party is obligated to contest a general election in order to qualify for the subsidy. But the main opposition party became active after the polls by providing its banner for MPs from the disbanded People Power Party, she said.

She added none of the candidates for the January 11 by-election ran under the Pheu Thai Party banner when they declared their candidacy on December 23, the cut-off date to earmark the subsidy.

Even though winning candidates later switched to the Pheu Thai Party banner after the balloting, this would qualify the Party for the next year's financial support, and not this year.

EC official Thanit Sriprathet suggested that the Party should draw up its projects and spending plans for raising political awareness if it wanted to be qualified for state support for the next fiscal year. The deadline for accepting application for financial support is August, he said.

- The Nation / 2009-02-07

Edited February 7, 2009 by sriracha john

[plachon]

Pheu Thai Party complains about lack of subsidy

The Pheu Thai Party yesterday lodged a complaint with the Election Commission, saying it faced a financial burden because it received no subsidy from the EC last week, while other parties did.

In an argument submitted on his party's behalf, Opposition Chief Whip Withaya Buranasiri said his Party was entitled to the subsidy since its MPs held 183 House seats and remained politically active, as prescribed in EC-issued regulations.

"My Party needs the financial assistance in order to further develop its ties with the people," Withaya said following the filing of the complaint.

He said he was optimistic that the EC would likely grant the subsidy to his party.

EC member Sodsri Satayathum said the agency had already allocated the funds to support political parties for 2009.

Under the relevant laws, a Party is obligated to contest a general election in order to qualify for the subsidy. But the main opposition party became active after the polls by providing its banner for MPs from the disbanded People Power Party, she said.

She added none of the candidates for the January 11 by-election ran under the Pheu Thai Party banner when they declared their candidacy on December 23, the cut-off date to earmark the subsidy.

Even though winning candidates later switched to the Pheu Thai Party banner after the balloting, this would qualify the Party for the next year's financial support, and not this year.

EC official Thanit Sriprathet suggested that the Party should draw up its projects and spending plans for raising political awareness if it wanted to be qualified for state support for the next fiscal year. The deadline for accepting application for financial support is August, he said.

- The Nation / 2009-02-07

Times must be really hard at Phuea Thai party when they have to cadge the cost of an air ticket from the EC to go visit their Sugar Daddy for some more moola to keep the reds mobile.

What kind of "ties" was Withaya thinking of I wonder? Hopefully not the ones Sugar Daddy's thugs used during their EJK sprees in the past.

Edited February 7, 2009 by plachon