edwardmoulton Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Good, hope he gets banged up for 2 years, sounds like just because he knows a few moves he can throw his weight around, this should take him down a peg or two."Is it cos I is black?"...no, its because your rude and ignorant. Hahaha, classic. Truly and I would say this person has some huge things they failed to live up to if they can conclude from the little news report here that a guy is a big menacing black man who 'threw his weight around' and then deserves to be in prison for 2 years as a result. Maybe he had his passport taken from him by a pissed off Thai man whose wife just left him and so was bitter, was made to wait for a loing time with no communication (as they do so well here whereas we are used to some feedback) while they looked at his passport, they looked like they had never seen a UK passport in their life (tell me you have not found a case where it looks like the first day at work here for someone yet that is their career), he is made to feel like a criminal because they can't understand why he looks 91/2 years younger, they make him wait then finally thrust back the passport like it is his fault all along and he is now late for his flight. I think I would have been tempted to say something too! I respect everyone and I accept differences of culture, gender, age and intellect but it is really tough when someone far more intellectually challenged than you lauds it over you for no reason. I don;t like that and I am sure no-one who is honest here wopuld, so maybe that is what happened... EIther way, orst should be a telling off... Funny how we hear today that the policeman who shamefully stole Tsunami money donated by foreign countries has no legal procedigns against him although found guilty and will just lose his job - lovely. Oh, I forgot.... it's ok for Thais in uniform to do that because they are such nice people..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardmoulton Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 You can't argue with an ignorant man. I realise that but I feel it my duty to expose ignorance hence I argue... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peecee Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Remember politeness is a two way thing, we were not there and some of the THAI Officials can be pretty touchy. This guy may have got pissed off knowing his passport was real and reacted in a manner that he would have got away with in the UK. Seeing his mate dissapearing into departure and feeling stranded could have distressed him and maybe a few fairwell beers were to blame. One thing I do Know is that if the Official was made to loose face in front of her superior then he would be in the brown stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ijustwannateach Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Thread temporarily closed for cleaning. Finished and re-opened. Some water has been thrown on the flames.... please stay calm and remember it's only an internet forum.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjhbigv Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 In my opinion his own fault....you are not in the UK, you are a guest and visitor to another country with different tolerances. Yes, in the UK you can be chopsy, swear, spit, abuse and be as rude as you like to police/authorities....but hey, you are not in UK, you are in Thailand! Just like the couple who had sex on the beach in Dubai or wherever it was and got prison for it. If someone can't adapt to a different culture then maybe they should stay in the UK. Every time I have had any contact with BIB, stay calm, be friendly and don't be rude and it will sort itself out....if you want to 'give it large', then expect a different outcome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ourmanflint Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 It would appear that he swore at the immigration official, criticised Thailand & snatched his passport back, so on that basis he got what he deserved & if he does receive a prison sentence, he has only himself to blame - end of discussion. I'd just add that I've no sympathy for him whatsoever. It always amazes me that expats becomes so "institutionalised" living in Thailand they forget the basic rights they were brought up with. It's like a sad version of Stockhausen syndrome. Pathetic really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardmoulton Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 In my opinion his own fault....you are not in the UK, you are a guest and visitor to another country with different tolerances.Yes, in the UK you can be chopsy, swear, spit, abuse and be as rude as you like to police/authorities....but hey, you are not in UK, you are in Thailand! Just like the couple who had sex on the beach in Dubai or wherever it was and got prison for it. If someone can't adapt to a different culture then maybe they should stay in the UK. Every time I have had any contact with BIB, stay calm, be friendly and don't be rude and it will sort itself out....if you want to 'give it large', then expect a different outcome! Fair comment and I do not disagree with you on what you say overall but it is this constant 'guest' thing that gets to me... Before I came to the LOS I never heard anyone mention it other than in context of 'guest of her majesty' etc... So why is it SUCH as big deal here for LOS to ALLOW us to come here and we should be so grateful? France is the number one tourist destination in the world by numbers, Thailand follows I believe or is up there in the top five by volume (or was!)... Now when anyone enters France are they constantly reminded they are 'guests'? No, they are paying tourists they are happy to welcome... If you have a party at your house, do you remind your guests they are 'guests'? I don't think so... 'Farang' as they so beautifully call us come in many forms: tourists, long term residents, unwelcome visitors to name three types only... Now, the last one is a simple catch them and throw them out (except they rarely do if you pay!) but the first two... Tourist - has the whole world to choose from... chooses Thaialnd and spends money to come here and while here. Rememebr there is an airport TAX not a request from the 'guest'!... his/her passport accords him/her right of entry UNLESS there is a reason not to - 'passepartout' means to go anywhere and is the original etymology of a 'passport' and the agreement between nations respects reciprocal entry within reason SO why is he a 'guest'? He has a right to be here unless he has done wrong and should be accorded rights under the numerous international conventions Thailand is supposed to be party to... Long Term Resident - working or retired but either way committed to this country financially - yet despite paying tax or a pension here to a bank account and doing all the other hoop-jumping, we are still 'guests'.... No other country I know has such a reluctant attitude to its lifeblood as tourism is the number one money earner here... Add to that (and I am not advocating the PI by the way) but a recent chat with a few people in the Philippinnes confirmed that when you live there and are married to a local girl the powers that be bend over backwards to help you. Here they are jealous you have taken one of their girls (they did not care to look after anyway!)... Maybe I am wrong here but that is what I hear. Tough for me to find out for myself! I do not advocate dis-respect to anyone but I do advocate fariness and when people make a commitment to a country financially (as that is what matters here fof course over anything else) why do they get seemingly treated with no rights? I would like to see an end to this 'guest' bullshit I see every day on forums from people that really don't get the fact that it is a two way bargain and why should we feel apologetic and quake in our shoes because it is a different culture. Sure it is and yes we have to respect it but there needs to be respect for us too, doesn't here and as long as we feel merely guests, we remain just that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Don't you mean the Stockholm Syndrome? wiki Stockholm syndrome is a psychological response sometimes seen in abducted hostages, in which the hostage shows signs of loyalty to the hostage-taker, regardless of the danger or risk in which they have been placed. The syndrome is named after the Norrmalmstorg robbery of Kreditbanken at Norrmalmstorg, Stockholm, Sweden, in which the bank robbers held bank employees hostage from August 23 to August 28 in 1973. In this case, the victims became emotionally attached to their victimizers, and even defended their captors after they were freed from their six-day ordeal. The term "Stockholm Syndrome" was coined by the criminologist and psychiatrist Nils Bejerot, who assisted the police during the robbery, and referred to the syndrome in a news broadcast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardmoulton Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 It would appear that he swore at the immigration official, criticised Thailand & snatched his passport back, so on that basis he got what he deserved & if he does receive a prison sentence, he has only himself to blame - end of discussion. I'd just add that I've no sympathy for him whatsoever. It always amazes me that expats becomes so "institutionalised" living in Thailand they forget the basic rights they were brought up with. It's like a sad version of Stockhausen syndrome. Pathetic really I could not have said it better - I chose the long-winded response! That is it.. A land of brain-washed instituationalied farnag that gforgot basic rights... Soon they will be saying that ECT is a permissable treatment for us deluded foreigners because we are guests and it is their country after all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardmoulton Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 My previous post was repeated twice, not me... Anyway, try the Rosenham Experiment! Pretty close to Thailand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabum Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 (edited) This was deleted earlier so I've reworded it in carebear language so as not to offend all the ....... GAH! people... can't even say what kind of people, it's hurting my brain. You people are all totally crazy. Youre either judging him because he's black, because he's a martial arts instructor and fighter, because he's english. because he's a falang... SERIOUSLY CAN NONE OF YOU SEE WHAT YOU ARE DOING? None and I mean NONE of you knows what really happened, but you all immediately assume the worst when you all know that there is no fairness in this country, if you stand up for yourself and stop someone from doing something bad to you then YOU are the bad man, not the person actually trying to steal, rape, kill you. So if IM standing at my departure gate and somebody who obviously doesnt like me for whatever reason they have decided (snip) makes me miss my flight for no reason except they have a personal grudge I'm going to start swearing too! If you would stand there and let them make you miss your flight with a big smile on your face you have no backbone. MOST people would be upset including most of you! Edited March 4, 2009 by Jai Dee Comments about Thai racism deleted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKK Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Whilst I don't agree that being rude to anybody is acceptable it should not be an imprisionable offense. Watch both the NZ and Aussie versions of "Borders" TV program and see what those custom/immigration officers have to put up with. Yet they remain calm at all times and take it as part of the job. It's part of their training to be able to handle obstreperous customers. If Thai officials can't take a little unrullyness from a farang then they have either not be trained correctly or just shouldn't be in the job. And as for the length of time he spent in jail...just what are the Phuket UK Consulate up to. I can't believe it would take them so long to react. Something is not at all right about this story....no way would your passport photo be topless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackr Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Some spot-on posts there - edwardmoulton, sabum Face rears it's ugly head again. This type of thread always brings out the Thai apologists. Most anyone would be pissed if they were made to miss their flight. I love it here but at times the take all give nothing/second-class citizen/childish mentality gets a bit long in the tooth. Blacklist the guy by all means, but don't rob him of years of his life for being rude for crying out loud. Thailand, grow up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ourmanflint Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Don't you mean the Stockholm Syndrome?wiki Stockholm syndrome is a psychological response sometimes seen in abducted hostages, in which the hostage shows signs of loyalty to the hostage-taker, regardless of the danger or risk in which they have been placed. The syndrome is named after the Norrmalmstorg robbery of Kreditbanken at Norrmalmstorg, Stockholm, Sweden, in which the bank robbers held bank employees hostage from August 23 to August 28 in 1973. In this case, the victims became emotionally attached to their victimizers, and even defended their captors after they were freed from their six-day ordeal. The term "Stockholm Syndrome" was coined by the criminologist and psychiatrist Nils Bejerot, who assisted the police during the robbery, and referred to the syndrome in a news broadcast. Yes thanks... was watching NCIS a while ago and they referred to it as Aksu-Stockhausen syndrome, I knew it sounded almost right.! Unfortunately there are a lot of expats here who constantly take the Thai side almost every time, it's quite scary to realise that people not brought up here can so easily condone things which if they happened elsewhere, ie the homeland, there would be serious repercussions. I'm not trying to defend any one persons actions but to stick someone in jail for weeks at a time for shouting at some moronic official who makes you miss your plane home is not justified in any way whatsoever. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKK Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Yes, Thai people are racist.....Some years ago a black friend of mine applied for a volunteer job as an english instructor in a refugee camp on the Burmese border. He obtained the job via phone calls but was then asked to attend an interview. As soon as the interviewer saw him she showed shock and horror and said that they couldn't possibly employee somebody of "his colour". His qualifications, accent and knowledge of the english language was totally up to scratch. Only his race/colour was wrong. Consider the words commonly used to describe various foriengers.... "farang"....any white person of european descent "yipun"...japanese, "jin"...chinese, etc. all south-east asians are refferred to by their respective country "keak"...Indian, Nepalese, Sri Lankan etc. All indian subcontinent reffered to by this word. "Pew Dum"...any person of black skin....african, african american, african european, aboriginal etc. What we should all be is either our nationalities ("angkrit", "american", "yerman", "jin", "yipun" etc) as with the south-east asians or "khon prathet nok" (person from another country) or perhaps the area we come from "khon europe", "khon asia", "khon africa" etc. Thailand as a country that depends greatly upon foriegn tourism shouldn't be racist. Racism results in "breaking the rice pot that feeds you." Thai racism however is not based, I feel, on hatred but rather jealousness. Here we are spending our highly valued currencies, getting our pensions or living off hard earned savings, spending 10 times what the average Thai can earn, living the life of riley when they who serve us in restaurants, hotels, shops etc have no hope of ever coming close to the same. They want the same but cannot/don't know how to achieve it. Rather than blame their own pitifull existance on their lack of education, their corrupt governments, their own laziness/work ethic and lack of responsibility they turn it into racism by calling all non-south-east asians by derogatory names in a fultile but desperate attempt to "save face". As I sit in my garden every afternoon having a cool beer all I can hear from my neighbours is "falang" "ngern" "falang ngern". The sole topic of their conversations that goes on for hours is about how much money they got or didn't get from thier falangs. No discussions about sport, politics, TV, current affairs, nothing.....just "falang" "ngern". What a totally uninteresting, boring life they lead. I'm sure to have opened a hornets nest here...all comments welcome..just remember I'm entitled to my opinion (based on over 20 years in Thailand)..as you are yours...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc2 Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 the guy doesnt deserve 2 years but he was definitly stupid/ignorant to trouble make with an official. You can make your point firmly and politely without putting yourself at risk. these officials can have massive and fragile egos for sure. there should be a law for this instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartempion Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 (edited) They have a job to do,i doubt they thought"Hey,lets mess this guy up".He did himself no favours getting angry,and i bet he wishes he didn't now.But jail time for that,not right.My wife deals with the same type of people,and is often called because of her understanding of English.As soon as the farang gets aggressive,he's out the door,escorted by the police.If he wants to push his luck,he can come back in,but he will be treated a lot worse the second time 'round.No one likes being bullied,perhapes this is a lesson for those so inclined. These "officials" do have bad days allowing them anything: 20 years ago on a Sunday morning I parked my car in front of a bakery somewhere in Brussels. Two cops happened to walk around. When I opened the bakery's door one of the cops stopped me and said: "Sir, you hit the car behind your car when parking" Now I lived in Paris and do know when you hit a car manoeuvring, it happens a lot due to the small parking space there. So I dared tell the officer "No sir, I did not" You can guess the arguments: "yes you did, no I didn't" etc etc Anyway got into the bakery, waited my turn and both cops were watching public enemy #1 they just uncovered by accident doing their job. When I came out they joined me to my car (how nice, police protection) when I got to my keys some small money felt out of my pocket at the same time on the ground which I grabbed and showed them. "That's enough now sir" They said and asked ID, inspected car registration, insurance etc. Then They asked me to lock my car and I had a free taxi ride to their base where I had to wait for 2 hours before getting "interrogated" by their boss, who did not ask me anything but told me I would be pursued for insulting officers: throwing small money to them. I was not allowed to phone my wife who was very upset not seeing me coming back with the Sunday morning feast. So I understand the man might be stressed not getting his passport back and the officer might have felt "insulted" I doubt he could understand the British accent of the tourist, most thais don't understand much English. I rather believe the officer went over the counter, not so much the tourist. Edited March 3, 2009 by tartempion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 (edited) When did the man begin his prison sentence? oh wait... I forgot... we've had over 200 replies (including the deleted foul language and/or flaming posts) mostly predicated on the notion that: 1. He has been found guilty at his court hearing. 2. He has been adjudicated the highest possible prison term for the offense. nevermind... please continue. until his trial begins on April 26, and his lawyer has warned he could face a two-year jail sentence. Edited March 4, 2009 by sriracha john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickba Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 Does anyone here have access to his Facebook Page, as he may tell a different version of events through there He has to approve you as a "friend" in order to see his page... I've asked... Just hope he doesn't shout "<deleted>*K You!" and snatch back my "friend request" out of my hand. Do you think they have accesss to the internet in Phuket jail ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaihome Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 It would appear that he swore at the immigration official, criticised Thailand & snatched his passport back, so on that basis he got what he deserved & if he does receive a prison sentence, he has only himself to blame - end of discussion. I'd just add that I've no sympathy for him whatsoever. It always amazes me that expats becomes so "institutionalised" living in Thailand they forget the basic rights they were brought up with. It's like a sad version of Stockhausen syndrome. Pathetic really If you wish to live within those "basic rights" then it is probably a good idea to be sure to choose your travel locations carefully. They do not exist throughout the entire world. TH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc2 Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 Does anyone here have access to his Facebook Page, as he may tell a different version of events through there He has to approve you as a "friend" in order to see his page... I've asked... Just hope he doesn't shout "<deleted>*K You!" and snatch back my "friend request" out of my hand. Do you think they have accesss to the internet in Phuket jail ? i think he was released on bail until the trial. 2000 pounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brahmburgers Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 It doesn't matter who he is and what it does. If you don't respect, you should not be respeceted. Very simple. He probably tried to be bigger than the official but it fired back. lack of respect, loss of face, being offended - those are inter-personal subjective things. Sure, they can annoy and anger, but it's waaaaaaay out of line to slap a 2 year prison sentence on someone because he was rude or caused verbal offense - just because an authority has the clout to do so. BTW, we've only heard a brief initial mention of the incident. Was there a woman involved? I wouldn't be surprised if the Brit had an attractive young Thai gal nearby, and that could have been a factor for angering the official. As for the passport photo; could it be the man had a sleeveless T-shirt or flimsy basketball shirt or a shirt that was open at the collar, ....and the official(s) thought that was overly casual/revealing for such a photo? Let's hear some more facts re; the scenario. ....Anyway, try the Rosenham Experiment! Pretty close to Thailand... Is that the experiment 30 years ago at Stanford U, CA USA? Regardless, there's a rather well-known experiment where half the students were designated to be prison guards and half were designated to be prisoners. The two groups of men wore corresponding uniforms; along with the 'prisoners' all wearing orange jumpsuits. Within a day, the 'prisoners' (all referred to by their assigned numbers) were grudgingly and humorlessly submissive - whereas the uniformed guards quickly became cruelly oppressive. The experiment had to be terminated sooner than planned because it devolved to seriously abusive situations - both physically and psychologically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brahmburgers Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 From Wikipedia: The Rosenhan experiment was a famous experiment into the validity of psychiatric diagnosis conducted by David Rosenhan in 1972. It was published in the journal Science under the title "On being sane in insane places."[1] Rosenhan's study consisted of two parts. The first involved the use of healthy associates or "pseudopatients," who briefly simulated auditory hallucinations in an attempt to gain admission to 12 different psychiatric hospitals in five different states in various locations in the United States. The second involved asking staff at a psychiatric hospital to detect non-existent "fake" patients. In the first case hospital staff failed to detect a single pseudopatient, in the second the staff falsely identified large numbers of genuine patients as impostors. The study is considered an important and influential criticism of psychiatric diagnosis. The study concluded, "It is clear that we cannot distinguish the sane from the insane in psychiatric hospitals" and also illustrated the dangers of depersonalization and labeling in psychiatric institutions. It suggested that the use of community mental health facilities which concentrated on specific problems and behaviors rather than psychiatric labels might be a solution and recommended education to make psychiatric workers more aware of the social psychology of their facilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc2 Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 lack of respect, loss of face, being offended - those are inter-personal subjective things. Sure, they can annoy and anger, but it's waaaaaaay out of line to slap a 2 year prison sentence on someone because he was rude or caused verbal offense - just because an authority has the clout to do so. agree. Still, this is Thailand, the example is set from the very top. Thailand needs to grow up and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jungian Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 I find this very hard to believe even here in Thailand . . . There is something not quite right here . . . There is far more to this story.... I agree there is a lot more to this than is being told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilHarries Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 When did the man begin his prison sentence?oh wait... I forgot... we've had over 200 replies (including the deleted foul language and/or flaming posts) mostly predicated on the notion that: 1. He has been found guilty at his court hearing. 2. He has been adjudicated the highest possible prison term for the offense. nevermind... please continue. until his trial begins on April 26, and his lawyer has warned he could face a two-year jail sentence. Thanks for making that point, I was winding myself up to do the same. Some people really lose sight of the big picture in the red haze that comes down on threads like this one. The other thing that bugs me is the way some posters post their opinions as if they are the God given truth etched in the stones handed down on mount Arafat (or wherever). They are only personal OPINIONS and opinions based on a less than the full deck of cards. Nobody here knows exactly what went on but we have cyber bloodshed over an incomplete picture of events. A number of posters have also criticised the British Embassy/Consulate for their lack of action. Well, honestly, what do you expect them to do? A British subject has got himself in trouble with the forces of law and order in a foriegn soveriegn state. The Embassy and it's staff have no jurisdiction over the case, about all they can do is ensure the person has legal representation. What do you think the reaction would be if a foriegner committed a crime on the streets of London, was arrested and charged and his ambassador demanded his immediate release? (don't answer that, he most likely would be released and heavilty compensated for the inconvenience) The guy was stupid to lose is cool - fact. The authorities appear to have over reacted - assumption without the full facts. The guy faces a maximum jail term of two years - fact but not yet sentenced so conjecture. The fact that it has got this far indicates, to me, that what ever he said was more than just telling the officer to <deleted> off. I wonder what he said in his insults of Thailand? That I would think is more likely to be the key to this case. Unfortunately, chances are, we will never know as just about every case in Thailand fades away into the background noise with no reported conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Journalist Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 (edited) If he is found guilty, then he is a convicted criminal. Bang goes his chances of being Thai prime minister. Thai people often feel frightened by black people, and are conditioned in this response. If it was an Asian person mouthing off at them, they wouldn't feel so nervy. Edited March 4, 2009 by Journalist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barky Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 "When the official started to ask questions, Burrowes became angry, Khun Suksopon said, and snatched back his passport. Burrowes then said ''F*** You'' and criticised Thailand in an offensive way, Khun Suksopon added. ''If you go to England and behave the way this man did, what would happen?'' Khun Suksopon asked. you would be given a fast track visa , a work permit , benefits , an interpreter , a counsellor , a lawyer , a hot meal , warm clothing , medical care , and housing for your family and in laws. the immigration official would be severley disciplined for causing a "service receiver" to feel offended and sent for 6 months corrective training and if the "service receiver" also happened to be a member of a minority group ( religious , ethnic , sexual , animal , vegetable or mineral ) a lengthy inquisitorial investigation would take place resulting in all the placard waving do goody lefties taking to the streets in a show of solidarity towards the "service receiver" rude and ill mannered ( whether justified or not ) foreigners have rights too in the uk. The truth is most Thais , through their ignorance and xenophobic tendencies, and nationalistic fervour believe that all other races and countries have the same characteristics and out-look as them. Eg: "in Britain they would act the same", "in farang countries they treat all foreingers as they do here" etc. etc. The real truth is they are pathetically wrong. Thais ovrseas (granted primarily in western or westernised countries) sreceive far far better treatment than they ever afford a foreigner particularly one who may choose to live here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clausewitz Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 [bTW: I have heard that in Thai unis, once accepted, as long as you pay the fees, you are 100 percent guaranteed to graduate. Yet the Nation repoted last week that this year Chulalongkorn Uni. failed 180 first year science students who were also asked to leave the uni. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattayarangers Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 ''If you go to England and behave the way this man did, what would happen?'' Khun Suksopon asked. You would probably get a council house and benefits !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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