A thread in Bedlam reminded me of something.

From Wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition_to...rican_Civil_War

Appalachia, a mountainous region, was a theatre of bloody feuds and brutal, partisan (guerrilla) warfare, especially in eastern Kentucky, western North Carolina, and West Virginia. As Fisher (2001) explains:

"A constant in Civil War Appalachia was the prevalence of partisan violence. Throughout this region, loyalists, secessionists, deserters, and men with little loyalty to either side formed organized bands, fought each other as well as occupying troops, terrorized the population, and spread fear, chaos, and destruction. Military forces stationed in the Appalachian regions, whether regular troops or home guards, frequently resorted to extreme methods, including executing partisans summarily, destroying the homes of suspected

bushwhackers

, and torturing families to gain information. This epidemic of violence created a widespread sense of insecurity, forced hundreds of residents to flee, and contributed to the region's economic distress, demoralization, and division."

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A sensationalist angle, I confess, but nonetheless pertinant to some of the debates going on in this forum.

America has waged war on terrorism, to the extent that thousands of civilians have suffered, even died, yet the nation was founded, in part, on what today would be called terrorism.

Ironic.

The Waitangi Tribunal

Although it is referred to as New Zealand’s ‘founding document’, many of the rights guaranteed to Maori in the document have been ignored. Despite the protection offered in the Treaty of Waitangi, Maori lost considerable amounts of land through the 19th and 20th centuries. The manner in which the land was lost was often questionable, and led to considerable protest from Maori.

http://www.newzealand.com/travel/about-nz/...of-waitangi.cfm

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You seem to be purposely ignoring the fact that almost ALL warfare in the past would be called terrorism today. Many people would call the English the biggest terrorists of all time.

This thread is a waste of space.

The Civil War was in the 1860s. The US as a country was founded in 1776. Am I missing some connection in your article here?

ChuckD, I do not claim America is alone.

USG, simmilarly, I do not claim that America is alone.

If the thread is a waste of space, stop contributing to the space.....your are thereby being hypocritical.

SBK, I stand corrected with the history if I implied that "founded" implied the country, as opposed to the nation. I'm not sure if I'm explaining that well.....

I suggest that the civil war had dramatic and long-lasting effects on the nation, many of them positive and define the nation as it is today. Some of them negative and have perhaps a lesser effect on the nation today. But effects nonetheless.

I guess I have used a silly example, looking now at google results.

I was inspired by a documentary I watched, titled "Hillbillies". Part of it detailed a battle on a hill in which the mountain men were victorious. An inspiring and proud tale. I did not consider the ultimate victor of that war.

I retract my thread and apologise, but maintain that, depending on perspective, terrorist acts can be percieved to be heroic and righteous.

I suggest that the civil war had dramatic and long-lasting effects on the nation

No war since & through Vietnam has ever claimed as many American lives 620-700k

Weren't all countries founded on theft, war, terror, deceit, etc. ? Now, instead of countries, we call them "economic blocs".

I suggest that the civil war had dramatic and long-lasting effects on the nation

No war since & through Vietnam has ever claimed as many American lives 620-700k

I was referring more to the people and their mentality. Every nation's mentality owes much to it's history.

I guess I have used a silly example, looking now at google results.

There is no need to apologize. We are very familiar with your silly examples.

depending on perspective, terrorist acts can be percieved to be heroic and righteous.

Blowing up the Military HQ of a country that is selling your people down the river and giving them 3 different warnings that you are going to do it might be considered righteous by some - or at least understandable - but purposely targeting a cafe full of innocent men, women, and children that have nothing to do with your problem and then slaughtering them in cold blood is just plain cowardly and just plain evil.

As long as we're oversimplifying

Every war was unjust. Except for William Penn's commonwealth, your nations were all founded or furthered by shedding innocent blood as blessed by the unholy men of your ancestors' false faiths. Jesus was a standard pacifist Jew during 2,500 years of Jewish pacifism that ended with Zionism.

depending on perspective, terrorist acts can be percieved to be heroic and righteous.

Blowing up the Military HQ of a country that is selling your people down the river and giving them 3 different warnings that you are going to do it might be considered righteous by some - or at least understandable - but purposely targeting a cafe full of innocent men, women, and children that have nothing to do with your problem and then slaughtering them in cold blood is just plain cowardly and just plain evil.

Of course. No argument.

I guess I have used a silly example, looking now at google results.

There is no need to apologize. We are very familiar with your silly examples.

Not sure what you're referring to......but at least I admit to, and learn from my mistakes when I make them.

Jesus was a standard pacifist Jew during 2,500 years of Jewish pacifism that ended with Zionism.

I might have asked this before, but what happened to make Jewish pacifism end?

Every war was unjust.

This is it, but we continue to "solve" our problems this way. Are we ever going to evolve to evolve to where we don't need them?

depending on perspective, terrorist acts can be percieved to be heroic and righteous.

Blowing up the Military HQ of a country that is selling your people down the river and giving them 3 different warnings that you are going to do it might be considered righteous by some - or at least understandable - but purposely targeting a cafe full of innocent men, women, and children that have nothing to do with your problem and then slaughtering them in cold blood is just plain cowardly and just plain evil.

if i'm not mistaken there were a total of 17 warnings, half a dozen e-mails and a courier on a donkey. bloody Brits were just too high and mighty to heed the warnings.

in a few decades Wikipedia will state that warnings were given on facebook, twitter and last not least in a famous expat forum which mainly deals with Thailand and thai matters.

I imagine that as soon as we get every bit of history digitized and sent all hard copies for recycling, some lowly laborer will trip over the power plug at Social Media Central and we can start the lies all over again.

if i'm not mistaken there were a total of 17 warnings, half a dozen e-mails and a courier on a donkey. bloody Brits were just too high and mighty to heed the warnings.

Interesting that you don't want to accept reality. Any decent history book. mentions the fact that the British Military HQ was warned and that they refused to vacate the King David Hotel. It is a fact.

Jesus was a standard pacifist Jew during 2,500 years of Jewish pacifism that ended with Zionism.

I might have asked this before, but what happened to make Jewish pacifism end?

Sounds like a new question. Zionists wanted Palestine because it was Palestine when they conquered it before 1000 BCE. Then the remaining Jews who wouldn't be settled in Europe-UK-Canada-US-Oz-you name it, had to conquer Palestine because Hitler or the Devil made them do it.

Every war was unjust.

This is it, but we continue to "solve" our problems this way. Are we ever going to evolve to evolve to where we don't need them?

We're sufficiently developed. We simply wage unjust wars because the Nation-State tells us God is a genocidist. No, He is not. God is a pacifist, the only God worthy of trusting.

I understand that you are a pacifist and don't like it that the Israelis are not anymore, but I do not understand why you never have a negative word for the Palestinians who are certainly not either.

They have killed people all over the world who have nothing at all to do with their conflict. How is that OK?

They have killed people all over the world who have nothing at all to do with their conflict. How is that OK?

Oh boy....Bit of pot calling kettle black there eh?

example.....All the Afghans & Iraqis that had never heard of such things as 9-11 much less had anything to do with it....have their villages levelled & family members killed in the chase of *Terrorist*....So now was it *ok* to do so?

You are just being purposely obtuse. It is not as if we are living in a perfect world. If there were no such thing as war, you might have a point, but there is and that is how humanity settles its problems. Terrible things happen during warfare that can't be avoided, even when following the "rules" and that is just how it is. The Afghans understand war if anyone does.

However, you people are the first to whine when the U.S., or U.K. or Israel violate any of those rules, but when Hamas hides behind its own people or sends rockets at civilians or blows up a building full of innocent civilians, you could care less. What a bunch of hypocrites.

if i'm not mistaken there were a total of 17 warnings, half a dozen e-mails and a courier on a donkey. bloody Brits were just too high and mighty to heed the warnings.

Interesting that you don't want to accept reality. Any decent history book. mentions the fact that the British Military HQ was warned and that they refused to vacate the King David Hotel. It is a fact.

i don't deny that there was a warning. nobody really knows what exactly this warning said. and that goes for any decent book too because the chap that received the warning died in the explosion after passing on the message. but "several" warnings are nothing but "spin".

It only takes one warning to save lives. It seems as if Wikipedia is not the only one that "spins".

You are just being purposely obtuse. It is not as if we are living in a perfect world. If there were no such thing as war, you might have a point, but there is and that is how humanity settles its problems. Terrible things happen during warfare that can't be avoided, even when following the "rules" and that is just how it is. The Afghans understand war if anyone does.

However, you people are the first to whine when the U.S., or U.K. or Israel violate any of those rules, but when Hamas hides behind its own people or sends rockets at civilians or blows up a building full of innocent civilians, you could care less. What a bunch of hypocrites.

Kor Tort..... Your words not mine.....

They have killed people all over the world who have nothing at all to do with their conflict. How is that OK?

I know not who the whiners are you speak of but, Seems logical that a citizen would complain when their elected govt acts wrongfully.

As for what Hamas or any others do...Well that is not our house is it? I see no hypocrisy except the original statement I quoted from you.

Do you have any other tactics other than mudslinging to support your opinions?

By the way, there is nothing hypocritical there to anyone other than Jesus Christ and you are far too confused, angry and full of s__t to be JC.

Do you have any other tactics other than mudslinging to support your opinions?

By the way, there is nothing hypocritical there to anyone other than Jesus Christ and you are far too confused, angry and full of s__t to be JC.

My goodness....Look up one post from yours & re-read the reply...If you are replying to me?

Since you quote none we cannot be sure but if it is the post that starts with Kor Tort?...Hard to understand where your misplaced anger is coming from...Nor your reference to JC?

As for mudslinging.... if quoting you as in your words ...whiners...cry babies...hypocrites... etc amounts to that well I guess it is yours to interpret as you wish... as to which direction the mud actually originates from.

Have a nice day/ Have a beer/take a pill/walk or something

Jesus was a standard pacifist Jew during 2,500 years of Jewish pacifism that ended with Zionism.

I might have asked this before, but what happened to make Jewish pacifism end?

Sounds like a new question. Zionists wanted Palestine because it was Palestine when they conquered it before 1000 BCE. Then the remaining Jews who wouldn't be settled in Europe-UK-Canada-US-Oz-you name it, had to conquer Palestine because Hitler or the Devil made them do it.

OK. I thought it was maybe the mass killing of 6,000,000 Jews by the Nazis that finally made them ditch pacifism.

Let's see...

Israelis blowing up UK Military HQ in Israel = terrorism

Muslims attacking US Military HQ (The Pentagon) in the USA = legitimate military target

Is that about right?