January 20, 201016 yr What a mess. Yeah...apparently editing my post before anyone replies has some significance....perhaps of my nuttiness? The only significance that I see is that I quickly had second thoughts about my words after reading them, and made some corrections.....who doesn't?
January 20, 201016 yr What is significant is to actually read and understand what I am saying. Nothing more or less is required.My words were. _________________________________________________________ "The US committed no "act of terrorism" when the bomb was dropped on Hiroshima. The US was at war with Japan and was intent on ending the war as quickly as possible, thereby saving many lives on both sides in the long run. The phrase "collateral damage" was not in the vocabulary at that time, thus any city became a target for bombing. Sad, but true." __________________________________________________________ The key words are..."thus any city became a target for bombing." The only errors I have pointed out are ones you and A_Traveller made. EDIT IN: It should be noted my response was to Harcourt's original post, which is quoted above, prior to his edit. He has changed the content substantially. Hence my mention of Machiavelli. Does the fact of my edit hint at something sinister?
January 20, 201016 yr Not at all. You had no idea my post was forthcoming. By the same token, I had no idea you were editing it until after my post hit the street, so to speak. No harm, no foul.
January 21, 201016 yr So, does a patriot fight a war with no respect for the innocent lives of noncombatants, killing women and children with no regard?
January 21, 201016 yr So, does a patriot fight a war with no respect for the innocent lives of noncombatants, killing women and children with no regard? I don't think you define a "patriot" by what happens to others - good or bad. Crazy example: So, does an elephant stomp on babies?
January 21, 201016 yr "What Is A Patriot?" according to www.naams-bullshit.com the expression "patriot" is the american spelling of "patridiot" meaning an idiot who thinks any of his/her behaviour is justifiable as long it benefits his/her patria.
January 21, 201016 yr "What Is A Patriot?"according to www.naams-bullshit.com the expression "patriot" is the american spelling of "patridiot" meaning an idiot who thinks any of his/her behaviour is justifiable as long it benefits his/her patria. What does a German know about such things as blind patriotism? Oh, wait. Never mind.
January 21, 201016 yr "What Is A Patriot?"according to www.naams-bullshit.com the expression "patriot" is the american spelling of "patridiot" meaning an idiot who thinks any of his/her behaviour is justifiable as long it benefits his/her patria. What does a German know about such things as blind patriotism? Oh, wait. Never mind. Now that's an answer with an exclamation point.
January 21, 201016 yr So, does a patriot fight a war with no respect for the innocent lives of noncombatants, killing women and children with no regard? That has nothing to do with patriotism.
January 21, 201016 yr Author Yeah, silly question PB, one of the main requirements of being a patriot is blind obedience to a fascist warmongering regime.
January 21, 201016 yr according to www.naams-bullshit.com Sure you got that address right? www.naams=bullshit.com
January 22, 201016 yr Apparently having been advised of making an error by using the word significant.... <do I laugh or cry at such trite temerity I wonder> one last try. To clarify for those who have so little knowledge of this subject nor the tenacity to seek it. The Target Committee met on 10/11 May 1945. At that second session the target selection list was presented by Dr. Stearns, a respected physicist who's team had identified 5 targets which fulfilled the 3 prime criteria, see below, and that the Air Force would be willing to reserve for their use unless unforeseen circumstances arose. (1) that they be important targets in a large urban area of more than three miles in diameter (2) that they be capable of being damaged effectively by a blast (3) that they are unlikely to be attacked by next August These are the facts, plan and simple. The minutes prepared for General Groves, remained classified until '74 though and are available through the US Archives. Regards
January 22, 201016 yr Apparently having been advised of making an error by using the word significant.... <do I laugh or cry at such trite temerity I wonder> one last try.To clarify for those who have so little knowledge of this subject nor the tenacity to seek it. The Target Committee met on 10/11 May 1945. At that second session the target selection list was presented by Dr. Stearns, a respected physicist who's team had identified 5 targets which fulfilled the 3 prime criteria, see below, and that the Air Force would be willing to reserve for their use unless unforeseen circumstances arose. (1) that they be important targets in a large urban area of more than three miles in diameter (2) that they be capable of being damaged effectively by a blast (3) that they are unlikely to be attacked by next August These are the facts, plan and simple. The minutes prepared for General Groves, remained classified until '74 though and are available through the US Archives. Regards Yeah, I had already found that quote in Google. But it should also be noted the Target Committee met on 10/11 May 1945, less than three months before the bomb was dropped on Hiroshima. They were looking at sites that had not been previously fire bombed or extensively damaged in the months and years leading up to May 1945. The city was not being saved in order to have a "pristine" target as another poster claimed. I never claimed Hiroshima had no "military significance", yet you seemed somewhat upset that I appeared to think that, as the opening of your post would so indicate. I claimed Hiroshima had "little war industry". A very large difference in both wording and interpretation.
January 22, 201016 yr ^ <sigh> Well one could consider the production of materiel [including small arms] by Mazda as not an insignificant part of the overall war industry, also the activities of a number of smaller specialist manufacturers should be considered. However, one understands the enthusiasm for existing companies to minimise their standing during the period. By the by, Hiroshima is today, as it was then, a centre for engineering and development. Regards
January 23, 201016 yr As this has moved on considerably since my input that was not understood, I will add this for its poignancy lone.
January 23, 201016 yr I wonder who will listen to the words, or the sentiments, maybe both, probably neither.
January 23, 201016 yr I wonder who will listen to the words, or the sentiments, maybe both, probably neither. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Come all ye young rebels, and list while I sing, For the love of one's country is a terrible thing. It banishes fear with the speed of a flame, And it makes us all part of the patriot game. My name is O'Hanlon, and I've just turned sixteen. My home is in Monaghan, and where I was weaned I learned all my life cruel England's to blame, So now I am part of the patriot game. This Ireland of ours has too long been half free. Six counties lie under John Bull's tyranny. But still De Valera is greatly to blame For shirking his part in the Patriot game. They told me how Connolly was shot in his chair, His wounds from the fighting all bloody and bare. His fine body twisted, all battered and lame They soon made me part of the patriot game. It's nearly two years since I wandered away With the local battalion of the bold IRA, For I read of our heroes, and wanted the same To play out my part in the patriot game. [extra verse I found] I don't mind a bit if I shoot down police They are lackeys for war never guardians of peace And yet at deserters I'm never let aim The rebels who sold out the patriot game And now as I lie here, my body all holes I think of those traitors who bargained in souls And I wish that my rifle had given the same To those Quislings who sold out the patriot game. //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// It says it all doesn't it? One man's patriot is another man's terrorist.
January 23, 201016 yr As this has moved on considerably since my input that was not understood, I will add this for its poignancy lone. I understood it. IMO a patriot becomes a freedom fighter or a terrorist when he chooses violence as a means of expression/coercion.
January 23, 201016 yr It says it all doesn't it? One man's patriot is another man's terrorist. "Liberals" sure are good at making excuses for and justifying terrorism.
January 24, 201016 yr As this has moved on considerably since my input that was not understood, I will add this for its poignancy lone. I understood it. IMO a patriot becomes a freedom fighter or a terrorist when he chooses violence as a means of expression/coercion. What of those that choose equal measures of violence to repel/defend from violence cast upon them by others/invaders?
January 24, 201016 yr It says it all doesn't it? One man's patriot is another man's terrorist. "Liberals" sure are good at making excuses for and justifying terrorism. Is it an easier life putting all that have a different point of view than yours into that pigeon hole? For the record I am no liberal. Guess you may need to add a hole....kor tort
January 24, 201016 yr It says it all doesn't it? One man's patriot is another man's terrorist. "Liberals" sure are good at making excuses for and justifying terrorism. Are you suggesting the IRA patriots are/were not terrorists?
January 24, 201016 yr As this has moved on considerably since my input that was not understood, I will add this for its poignancy lone. I understood it. IMO a patriot becomes a freedom fighter or a terrorist when he chooses violence as a means of expression/coercion. What of those that choose equal measures of violence to repel/defend from violence cast upon them by others/invaders? Well, then you're a defender of the realm or is it self defense you're talking about?
January 24, 201016 yr As this has moved on considerably since my input that was not understood, I will add this for its poignancy lone. I understood it. IMO a patriot becomes a freedom fighter or a terrorist when he chooses violence as a means of expression/coercion. What of those that choose equal measures of violence to repel/defend from violence cast upon them by others/invaders? Well, then you're a defender of the realm or is it self defense you're talking about? I gotta admit I like that "defender of the realm" ....yes I was talking about defending your area from outside forces there for what ever claimed reason suits their purpose. Then again as such I guess self defense & defense of those you love would fit equally well.
January 24, 201016 yr Is it an easier life putting all that have a different point of view than yours into that pigeon hole?For the record I am no liberal. Yeah, either is Peace Blondie, he is a gay, pacifist who supports every liberal issue, but is really something like new wave Amish ( they are allowed computers and motorbikes, but no cars). You just can't pigeonhole these freethinkers.
January 24, 201016 yr It says it all doesn't it? One man's patriot is another man's terrorist. "Liberals" sure are good at making excuses for and justifying terrorism. Are you suggesting the IRA patriots are/were not terrorists? No, but you seem to be.
January 24, 201016 yr It says it all doesn't it? One man's patriot is another man's terrorist. "Liberals" sure are good at making excuses for and justifying terrorism. Are you suggesting the IRA patriots are/were not terrorists? No, but you seem to be. The lyrics of the song. He is a patriot, he is IRA. We call him a terrorist. Hence, one man's patriot is another man's terrorist. That's not making excuses, that's saying it how it is.
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